Netflix adds the Sony FX6 to its approved camera list for shooting Netflix Originals

Don't ''sheesh'' when you can ''shisha''

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I prefer sheesh to donner in my kebabs.

Absolutely, their content is pure junk!

They have plenty of great content as well as less good stuff.

'Opinions are like a##holes, everyone has one but they think each others stink.'

Queens Gambit is a Netflix production, surely you don’t consider that junk?

This article:

"they should focus on the content and not technical specs"

Any other camera review:

"it only does 4k30 and not 4k60 so it's stifling my creativity and preventing me from creating my masterpiece, basically it's a fail."

Hey Bob, do you have any evidence on this one: "Rest assured, Netflix do not endorse products without a substantial financial contribution."

If not, don't make wild accusations (and I strongly dislike Netflix).

@Christos Some of the foreign "Netflix" productions are not bad. Just watched Lost Bullet from France. It's a decent enough crime thriller without too much virtue signalling. On the other hand, nominally Canadian "Tiny Pretty Things" is loathesome virtue signalling rubbish.

I ended it years ago. Can't stand paying for shlock. In my view, good movies worth watching are worth watching in the cinema.

You're suggesting Stranger Things, Narcos or any other production would look no different shot with an 8 bit codec on a Sony A7III because the stream is 8 bit?

8k cameras are used on many popular Netflix shows.

They want something better than present day streaming to future-proof their stock. Streaming quality is getting better all the time.

Petka +1

Also, shooting in something like 8k allows more flexibility with editing. I read recently how a director realized while editing that a close up would have a greater dramatic effect and rather than ask for a costly reshoot, he cropped his 8k video to 4K for a 2x zoom.
Stabilization, panning, centering, can all be added after the fact if you shoot in a higher resolution.
One director said he added a “barrel role” because 8k gave him the flexibility.

You can always watch the shows on Blu-Ray?
Recommended for the final season of Game of Thrones and the Night Battle BTW.
Also an OLED ... or a Plasma (I know no one has one of those anymore) would be best as well for the above.

So it is a bad thing to set standards in your work?

always posteration in streaming in dark values .. they do it selectiveluy in bkrounds , not darkened faces or positivespace.....

bandwidth trick they hope you don't notice

streaming qualirty sucks

Blu-ray definitely offers a better picture. A properly transferred 1080p blu-ray looks significantly better than UHD (4K) streaming.

It's hard to fit the disc thought the router .

Yeah, that's one of them she watched. No one in it had any redeeming qualities or moral scruples. I'll let my wife know about Ethos. Thanks.

I said cinema, not TV

Cinemas usually support the DCI standard. Most new cinema projector are 4K (4096×2160) or 8.85 MP at 24 frames per second. Other are 2K (2048×1080) or 2.2 MP at 24 or 48 frames per second.

If you want a movie shown in theaters usually it is 4096 pixels wide no matter the aspect ratio.

They support but movies are mostly 2k still

Not many people realize how many new shows are now shot in 8k even though they are only 4K on their TV. “Stranger Things” and other other new shows on Netflix are shot in 8K.

RED has a great series of videos about why 8k is superior for the best best 4K content.
Here is one example.
https://youtu.be/X3R72xtiaOA
Search YouTube for #ResolutionMatters for more.

Can you give it up on the 8K. No one cares. 8K is only practical with a large budget which not a lot of people on here have. Also as a DIT and post coordinator, it’s just a headache to deal with. A DP with too many K’s on the mind needs to redirect their priorities.

Just because people are willing to pay for it, doesn't mean anything. I am sure they would take a 8K 50Mbps H264 over a 4K PRHQ purely because there's more K's mentioned. Yeah, long term it might be better but you're thinking too much into the future. The K's will be future proof but the codec and system processing that 8K is not future proof. You can't play that game trying to future proof your rig. If you're going for that super smooth robotic look sure, you can shave a few dollars from your production but then it's going to look like garbage. One thing I have learned in my years in post and in production, always get the shot when in production because trying to get the same shot in post never looks the same. Also digital zoom destroy the look of your depth of field.
Don't know if that's an insult that I shoot HD? I mean, I shoot whatever I need to shoot to be the most economical and appease the needs of who I am working for. Which is usually 4K or HD, so just give up the 8K talk.

Oh a last ditch effort in calling me a communist haha.

Alright I'll revise.

Just because SOME people are willing to pay for it, doesn't mean it's reflective of the needs of all productions.

There's different economics that go into shooting 8K. Right now people are paying for 4K with high dynamic range and raw such as Arri. There's a reason no one is considering the 12K Ursa for feature films over the Alexa. Yes, the Arri's are increasing their K's but very slowly because the economics of raising your resolution outweigh the quality difference in dynamic range.

Hey man, if you want to take a spank in the a** as a pat on the back, be that loser. Not much of what you're saying is making sense and it's pretty clear your a hobbyist. So keep the HD insults coming. I'm enjoying the fact that you don't understand that there's more to an image than resolution.

I'm sure you're just a joy to work with haha

“Just because people are willing to pay for it, doesn't mean anything.”

That is my favorite quote of yours. In that one sentence people can see you are clueless.
No one else needs to say anything. You showed your complete lack of knowledge right there.

Go to sleep my guy. You need to chill.

It’s hard to stop laughing when you post stupidly funny stuff like “ Just because people are willing to pay for it, doesn't mean anything.” 😝

Whoa kid relax. I’m actually sticking together two 12K Ursa’s so i can get more K’s. They said we had a storage budget but i said if my 5 min clip isn’t a TB then why even shoot.

It also shoots Cinema 4K which has left off all their A7 and A9 cameras.

4096 v 3840 simply uses more of the sensor area. Bigger is not necessarily better. In this case, it's more of the same. I'm very impressed with the image quality if the A7Sii (same sensor as the FX6)i, which is as good or better than my FS5m2 (same sensor as the FS7). Controls on the FS5 are more accessible, and it has a built-in variable ND, XLR inputs, and SDI otputs.

Actually, 3840 uses more sensor area than 4096, because 3840 is using the full 4.24k which is then downsampled to 3.84k, whereas 4096 is just a crop of the 4.24k.

Jon Stern - I agree, it's almost an embarrassment to have such proclamations of specification printed on cameras. It's the same mentality that causes Japanese motorcycle manufacturers to splash "1200cc" across their fairings, and for car manufacturers to splash "TURBO" on vehicles.

I guess some people feel a need to advertise the specs of their camera, motorcycle, car or anything else for egotistical purposes.

I also wish all camera manufacturers would follow Leica's recent example and black-out the engraved brand names. It might help to reduce the number of people who approach me to either "congratulate" me on using the same brand as themselves, or to try to promote their own brand by making derogatory comments about mine...

SDKat - I've thankfully never had a *sticker* on a camera or lens (apart from the quality control stickers that were once applied to all Japanese cameras), and I've never had one on a monitor or computer.

But yes, they are almost always plastered across "white goods" such as fridges, washing machines, microwaves etc, and the very first thing I do is rip them off.

It's for impressing the client.

robertfel - in the case of kitchen white goods, stickers are beneficial because very few customers read reviews or check specifications. They just wander around a showroom and look at the stickers, which they presumably remove when the goods are installed.

Perhaps there is also a minority of novice camera purchasers who just look at the painted and engraved labels. I've met plenty of people who are having problems working out how to operate their cameras, and tell me they've never read a camera manual or looked at a spec sheet...

So maybe keep novices happy and plaster text and go-fast stripes all over the budget models, but it would be nice if it didn't appear on models made for more knowledgeable and discerning buyers.

"Intel inside" on computers
"V12" on cars
"Dolby dts" on AV receivers
etc.

It is really not specific to cameras nor to Japanese companies.

@SDKat Yes, it's common. My question isn't if it's normal. It's whether it's necessary in 2020? Just because something has always been done that way, doesn't make it useful, or relevent at some juncture.

@mick232 Intel Inside was paid advertising (in the form of Intel giving discounts to PC makers who added the sticker). That's not the same as 4K and Full-Frame, as those are not advertising the inclusion of a component from a company called "4K, or "Full-Frame".

As for cars, those are for making people (usually men) who feel insecure feel powerful. Maybe you're on to something there. Maybe on cameras it is compensation for something?

Those are strictly marketing stickers for use in the showroom. They are a quick and dirty reference for the salesman and customer. They are made to be removed by the customer after purchase, just like mattress tags.
You'd think at this level everyone would know what's up with every product. That's just not practical in the real world.

In those cases, trust me, you want to know the obvious when changing lenses.
Nobody wants to look up specs just to change a lens.

@Jon: yes I believe it is a combination of several purposes. To inform the buyer at the time of purchase. To allow the owner to brag about it. It is what makes some people buy stuff.

No the A7siii is not approved.
While internals are the same there are big differences externally and also with the specs. The A7siii doesn’t support basic things like DCI 4K (like all but 3 of 42 cameras on the list), or 4.5k or greater resolution like the majority of cameras on the list.

Congratulations to the FX6!

The "no DCI 4k" thing is weird. I mean, I have an RX10 IV which shoots DCI 4k just fine, despite being much older and much less high-end than the A7S III. What gives? Sometimes I just do not understand camera manufacturers. They seem positively allergic to the concept of making the best products they know how to create.

Well 6 of 14 Red are 8K - not sure that qualifies as ‘almost all’. Panavision is 1 of 1 so kinda qualifies....

10 of 14 are 6k or more.

RED has a large advertising campaign on YouTube about how 8K is superior called #ResolutionMatters.
Here is just one of many advertisements

https://youtu.be/VPO6sVAMjOA

Many of the newest shows on Netflix and other steaming sites are shot in 8k because it makes for better 4K video. Even comedies like “The Morning Show” are shot in 8k. The latest season of “Stranger Things” on Netflix was also shot in 8k, are other new shows.

I found that even on my Sony P&S RX100iv, 1080 looks better down rezed from 4k than if I shot it at 1080.