Chinese optics manufacturer 7Artisans is set to release a new 50mm F0.95 APS-C lens for EOS-M, Fujifilm X, Micro Four Thirds (MFT), Nikon Z and Sony E mount camera systems.
The fully-manual lens is expected to retail for around $200. It will feature a metal build and its optical design consists of seven elements in five groups, including two ultra-low dispersion elements. It’ll have a minimum focusing distance of 45cm (17.7”), offer a de-clicked aperture, use a 13-blade aperture diaphragm, and have a 62mm front filter thread.
The lens will measure 67.5mm (2.7") long and weigh 416g (14.7 oz). Below is a video review from YouTube channel InfoFotografi (with English subtitles):
Photo Rumors, an authorized 7Artisans reseller, says the lens will be be released ‘soon.’
Well I certainly hope you are boycotting the USA too if a country's disregard for the health of its citizens is your barometer. When Cuba has a better health care system and lower infant mortality rate, when Iran has fewer gun-related deaths per 100,000, when the Lebanon has a higher life expectancy rate, when Somalia executes fewer of its citizens, when the majority in government vote against improving healthcare for its middle classes and poorest citizens simply because a different tribe suggested it, and when that country is the wealthiest on the planet. Does failing its people make a country a failed state? Well money corrupts, absolutely.
In my opinion, it is worth to get a f/0.95 lens to shoot at f/0.95. If you’re going to use it at f/2.8 then get a f/2.8 lens. It will be much cheaper, lighter, smaller and will produce an equal or even better pictures. Yes, it must be difficult to focus a f/0.95 lens so (again, IMHO) it is usable for static subjects with the camera set on a tripod when it is possible to focus critically using the focus peeping feature. The sharpness wide open and bokeh will be the most important features for me.
Well, nobody needs 0.95 in any case whatsoever. Today's sensor have such good low light sensitivity that even f2 can be very bright in dimly lit indoors. The only use of lenses of this kind is funky bokeh and a lot of fun for very affordable price. Which is a valid reason to buy them. Not many lenses offer a lot of fun for $200. Otherwise, the standard 50mm lens for any camera system is generally affordable and sharp, for those who want a very sharp result.
You've said it all... The only use of lenses of this kind is funky bokeh and limited DOF. For example, shooting portraits where you want one eyeball to be sharp while the nose and the other eyeball soft... but you want that sharp eyeball to be sharp.
IMHO you have cut to the heart of the discussion. Super-fast lenses have a place. They aren't "needed" by everyone or necessary for every situation. But it's now possible to get funky bokeh and extremely shallow depth of field on a budget ... and in a compact form factor. Lenses like the 7artisans 50mm f0.95 don't require adaptors - so unlike vintage lenses, they are compact (I still use and enjoy vintage lenses ... but sometimes I need to lighten the load). My sharp autofocus lenses and fast manual focus lenses and vintage lenses don't compete with each other. They are different .. and used for different purposes. And I would add this. Whether it's extreme sharpness or great colour or crazy bokeh or shallow depth of field ... anything that makes photos distinctive in this era of ubiquitous camera phones is worth considering. I may be talking myself into buying my first f0.95 lens here ...
I had the 50 1.2 TT Artisan forNikon Z. These lenses has a great feeling of build quality for the money. However, I found it very hard to nail exact focus. A 0.95 must be even harder. I also have a Chinese made 25 1.8 which is much easier to focus. I returned the 50 1.2 and decided that AF is a must in these fast, slightly longer (75 mm eqv for APS-C) lenses. For me, that is.
A lot of peepole think, oh, this manual lens goes down to f/.95, I guess that means I should shoot at f/.95 right?? Err, wrong. Most of the time you just appreciate the fact that you can focus at f/.95 then take the photo stopped down to like f/2.8, then its more likely you got the shot since you focused with a very narrow aperture. Of course on digital cameras you can blaze away wide open and hope for the best, but with film cameras for which these types of lenses were originally made, you would be crazy or just really, REALLY good to shoot these ultra fast lenses wide open.
I think about one stop margin is what you want. I thought the 1.2 lens on my APS-C Nikon Z50 would besimilar a modern version my old 85 2.0 on my SLR (Nikon FE). But when I directly compared it, I found that I focused faster and with more confidence with the SLR, unless you work very slow with focus peaking and magnification. The process isn't as smooth and the viewfinder experience is not the same. The peaking is not that accurate if your subject has contrasty edges, but you want the focus to be in the middle, it is also disturbing with the peaking colors when you are composing - IMO. Magnification gets very jumpy unless you have a short focal length. I think the ideal focal range for manual focusing lenses on mirrorless cameras is from very wide up to about 35 mm on APS-C. There are for instance some 12 2.0 lenses I find interesting.
China is reverse engineering the most exotic lens designs in existence and bringing them to the masses at a tiny fraction of the cost of today’s designs. These lenses have character. They are fully manually mind you but many of them are as good as if not better than the very best optics on the market. What started as cheap toys is now good enough to allow any one to reach levels of Contax, Zeiss, Voigtlander, and Leica optical quality on a any budget.
You say it correctly. China has been copying on the laurels of other companies for the last 40 years. Chinese lenses for Leica look like the ones of Leica. I find this disgrace. Furthermore it shameful that the governments don't step in to stop copycatting. I think those lenses should not be allowed to be sold anywhere in the world.
I am going to ask you if you want to drive a BMW mini that is merely a look alike? Would wear a fake Rolex or Omega watch? Would you wear fake adidas sneakers with misspelled branding? You can answer this easy question yourself.
The Chinese flooed the wolrd with cheap good until they rule the world completely and no competition is left. Then the prices will go up rapidly.
In my opinon people who are follwing Chinese copycatters are traitors to their own nations.
@sylverphoto You can buy chinese or whatever 3rd-party replacement parts for your BMW Mini all day long. They just won't say BMW or Mini on them, same as the chinese lenses that don't have Leica written on them.
A lens as such is also basically a spare part or an accessory to a camera. And there are laws against anti-competitive practices that allow 3rd parties to manufacture and sell unlicenced compatible parts even if they are identical copies (minus the trade marks), which is often necessary for the parts to fit. There are patents but fortunately they expire after 30 years. So, especially on Leica's ancient designs it's fair game for everyone.
And if the chinese lenses are good enough - good for them. They obviously fill a need for consumers. If Leica want to rest on their laurels for designs from over 50 years ago for the rest of time then this is their prerogative. But they can't complain if someone else picks up those designs and does something with them.
I disagree. with you. I have experienced myself that a Chinese company copied our medical products one to one. The Chinese bought a device and two years later we met again. They exhibited the very same device we developed for years and they could throw it at customers at fraction of our price. Great for them when cutting out the costs of development.
Regarding to Chinese lenses I am getting sick too. Especially when looking at the 7artisan or ttartisan lenses that can be mistaken as ones of Leica based on their exterior design. When looking at Voigtlander or Zeiss M -Mount lenses then they have their very own and unique design that differs from Leica. How low does a company need to get to copy the exterior that looks close enought to Leica. The font, the orange focal length designation, right down to the zero marking of the dof scale. It is a disgrace.
It is not only down to lenses that Chinese copy. It is everything they can get hold of. However this becomes worse... :
Sylverphoto "The font, the orange focal length designation, right down to the zero marking of the dof scale. It is a disgrace." You haven't looked closely. TTArtisan uses its own font which does not match any Leica font. Their font is different from Mitakon as well as 7Artisans. It looks similar because nearly all old engraved fonts on lenses looked just like this. Look up an old Carl Zeiss and Meyer Optik lens. Will you accuse them of copying Leica fonts? If you look closely, their lenses appear to have Leica aesthetic but not one of them is a direct copy. Details are all different. And they can't be blamed. If you are going to develop an app for Mac, it won't make sense to make it like a Windows app. The aesthetics won't match. Their APS-C lenses are not Leica like. They are just fulfilling an existing demand in market and can't be blamed for making profit on it. Viltrox, Laowa, Mitakon, SLR Magic, Kamlan are all Chinese manufacturers with many original lenses.
@Kamerakiri You exactly know what I mean. It is the same as the Chinese Mini that is not a BMW Mini. They are not direct copies but they are copies that art close enough. Why don't be original? Look at the modern Zeiss ZM or Voigtländer lenses. They don't appear even close to Leica lenses. ONLY THE CHINESE NEED TO STEAL!
The Chinese take elements of other companies to make them their own. I am talking about times of today and not the 1970 or 1980 when computers were widely not availabe and when production volume was a lot lower and when it was a lot harder to copy. Look at the Russian Helios - those were optically identical copies to Zeiss.
The TTArtisan 50mm F1.4 ASPH, TTArtisan M 50mm F0.95, TTArtisan M 90mm F1.25, all share elements of Leica. The Font, markings, orange focal lenght designation and even the red dot.
I have made my point. If yo want to remain blind then so be it.
In all seriousness. I would not want to touch a Chinese made lens. Today I played with the 7Artisan 35/1.2 (belongs to a friend) for Nikon Z mount, which is clickless. It costs €130,- and it felt like sh-it in my hands. It has no feel, moving the aperature by accident, it flaires like hell. I expect the same with this one.
Maybe actually shoot with one and try and create something with one instead of bashing Chinese brands for no reason. Let me know a better made lens for the money that is sharp at 1.05 than the 50mm 7artisans lens.
Yes, I am bashing the Chinese lenses and I have many reasons to do so. It is called freedom of speech or am I wrong? If I want to be critical about something then I exercise my freedom.
Unless you want to support the autocratic Chinese regime, which is in fact diametrically opposed to the countries that enjoy freedom.
So, if I find something c**p, then it is my opinion. You don't need to comment nor do I encourage you to comment.
@JT26 Yes, I did a field test with my friends camera. Z50 and 35/1.2 7artisan yesterday. When I said that I played around with it, it was actually a field test on a folk festival.
My friend had the lens for about 1/2 year. The lettering was already partially rubbed off. The gearing was too loose in my opinion and I always moved the clickless aperature on occasion by accident to the point that it become frustrating since there is not electronic feedback telling you what apperature was selected. As soon as subjects become backlit (also when the sun hits just slightly fromt the sides) the image quality deteriorates instantly.
Even though it is cheap. I cannot recommend it because I simply would not be happy with it. Yes, it has an f1.2 aperature. I would opt for better built f2 version.
I just think you need to think about what you’re saying. If one lens brand in your opinion is junk, no problemo, if it happens to be Chinese, no problemo, but don’t tarnish the entire nation because you dislike their government, and don’t like the one lens you tried.
Remember a country isn’t it’s government. The people and companies are still individual and make their own choices and products.
If you look up those lenses, for the money, they represent superb quality. Yes they don’t have clickable aperture but it’s just a cost cutting exercise and video feature
First, use the mark II version. Mark I version had a ton of issues, which were revised in the optical design of Mark II. Second, this is a lens that is soft by design in all corners until f2-2.8. That has a specific purpose. The usual sonnar design that sells for $70(Pergear, TTartisans 35mm) creates a bokeh that can be messy and swirly at f1.2. This 7artisans 35mm 1.2 mark II is a double gauss design that is meant to be close to Voigtlander 35mm 1.4 in quality. See comparison here: https://yukosteel.wordpress.com/2020/11/15/comparing-35mm-lens-pergear-risespray-7artisans-voigtlander/ Carefully see 7artisans and Voigtlander - their bokeh match. This lens shines in B/W photography and will not perform that well below f2 for color photography. I hope 7Artisans can bring a mark III with the 8 element design of Voigtlander 35mm 1.4 mark II. Use this lens for its specific use case. Such a small lens will not be sharp at f1.2. These are art lenses after all.
Hey guys, I got the 7Artisans 35mm f1.2 MK1 and the f0.95 and compared them to the Zeiss Touit 32mm f1.8. The 7Artisans 35mm f1.2 has in the lab and on the test chart tons of problems but it is real fun to shoot. It got character.
The 7Artisans 35mm f.095 just blow the Zeiss Touit out of the water with a forth/third of the initial price.
@kamerakiri I actually prefer the MK1 version of the 7Artisan 35 F1.2. I use it on my XE-3 and it delivers exceptional photos. Lots of diffused light, blooming and very pronounced vintage bokeh. Not sharp at all, wide open. But full of character. The ideal contrast to my professional case full of sharp and expensive Nikon F & Z mount lenses. I've read and seen that the MK2 is a bit less exotic.
I've never been disappointed about the photos I got with this tiny 7Artisan lens - only when I occasionally missed focus - and got the same reaction of others.
I even tried the 7Artisans 35mm f/0.95, but returned it because it was too good. I thought it had the same feature, but at F0.95. It didn't. It was sharper and has less optical anomalies. Disappointingly.
Test! 1. You take this lens, you shoot some standard scenes in RAW and you apply with the usual "to like" settings. 2. Then you take any vintage SLR in which you can mount any vintage SLR 0.95 lens, you shoot the same standard scenes with the best available positive or negative film. Then you scan it with the best slide or drum scanner available again in RAW and in a resolution of 11Mp at least at best available DR and you PP it the same way. 3. Then you bring the result #1 in a similar resolution as scanned images. 4. Then you compare it and see. 5. Then a nice conversation about photography may occur.
As for the click/de-click discussion: This lens has no electronic connection with the camera, so will be used stopped down only. That means that what I see in the viewfinder is what I get. No need to know what the actual aperture is unless that number is more important than the photo.
Interesting lens. Unfortunately, I have too many 50mm lenses... I think.
For sSLRs, metering used to be a problem with cheap 3rd party MF lenses. That is, the meter didn't function because there was no coupling. Mirrorless, its stop down, so I think all cameras maintain a functioning meter regardless of what's front of the mount.
So... options like this 50/0.95 significantly invigorate the potential of glass-poor but desirable cameras like the Nikon fc for example. If I knew I could get modestly priced 24, 35 and 50mm APS C MF lenses for that camera*, I'd be far more likely to buy it.
*No, if I wanted to use an FTZ adapter with AiS glass with an APSC sensor, I'd just use a D7500.
Indeed. Are the focus dot / arrows usable on a Nikon mirrorless without electronic contacts? Most mirrorless are actually quite poor with manual lenses (despite what people think about peaking, which I find utterly useless).
There are loads of options, and they get a lot cheaper than this one - as in $70 or so for a bright 35mm. Ttartisan have a nice 17-35-50mm f/1.2-1.4 trio for not very much money (albeit with the 17mm equivalent not available in Z yet) - they're even launching them in silver to match the Zfc!
Richard Murdey It's stop down metering on a DSLR too. I don't understand what you are talking about. In aperture priority, on any auto exposure SLR body, stop down metering works fine selecting an appropriate shutter speed for the aperture selected on an uncoupled lens
Richard Murdey No, aperture priority and manual mode should work fine. I've been shooting in those modes on DSLRs with a collection of old, manual focus lenses for over 15 years. I really don't understand what you are referring to.
Can't comment without knowing which system, but on Nikon models it's no coupling, no meter. On Pentax you can use the green button for an instantaneous meter reading, but it's not continuous.
Richard Murdey I can't comment on Nikon as I've never used one. I've shot with several Olympus and Panasonic DSLR models over the years and all would work in aperture priority (selecting an appropriate speed based on aperture selected) and in manual mode 'needle match' as it used to called in the film age. Select speed and/or aperture until the exposure scale in the finder indicates correct exposure. Pentax, aperture priority works fine and yes, the Pentax Green Button is a 'killer' feature. In manual mode, focus at open aperture, stop down to shooting aperture, hit the Green Button to set shutter speed, make exposure. So... what is this about "...the meter didn't function..."?
I only make light of it because in fact the Chinese block many American companies and websites from doing business in China but they expect to be able sell their rip off garbage to us in a giant free for all... hmm.
not interested. neither in f/0.95, nor in manual lenses nor in 7 artisans. My Canon EF 50/1.8 STM works very well on my EOS M camera. it has decent AF, full electronic mount protocol/data, and it cost only € 120,-
I have the 50 1.8 STM. It has poor contrast, ugly bokeh, and is really only sharp with decent contrast at F 2.8. It’s a decent prime mind you but you get what you pay for and Canon has increased the cost over the years without improving upon its optical formula.
The first thing I look at with these manual lenses now is where to support it with your left hand. I have the M43 Pergear 35mm f1.2 and it's a beautiful lens, supremely sharp, a joy to use...but I can't touch the damn thing without changing the focus or the (declicked) aperture. From the photo it looks like this lens has literally nowhere to hold it where you're not turning something.
You could try to screw in a hood and hold it there. But from the picture it seems only the middle part rotates. There is a considerable space before the manual focus ring, and some narrow space beyond the aperture ring.
I think the whole top half of the distance scale rotates with the MF ring, leaving only the tiny strip with the bottom of the distance scale to pinch. But that's a great idea to use a hood with my Pergear and hold that! In general I'm not a lens hood user so I never thought of that.
They have not yet laid down their full lineup. They have begun using their newer consistent red/white/black aesthetic with gunmetal color mount just recently in 2021. They are a young company. As they reach a certain level of maturity, I'm sure they'll have clicked/clickless versions. They also have cine lenses that they are hoping to launch.
TTArtisan has only released a few lenses and they're all clicked. 7artisan seems to be releasing new lenses every few minutes and only the 35mm Mark 2 is clicked (by my count). I understand there's a big audience for clickless lenses, specifically video. For photography, especially street, it's really sad when a lens doesn't click.
How many cheap, manual focus lenses do we need in this space? We already have the TTArtisan 50mm f/1.2 with a clicked aperture ring, the KamLan 50mm f/1.1 with a de-clicked aperture ring and the Mitakon Speedmaster 50mm f/0.95 (on Mk III now!). I'm sure Kipon, Meike and Voigtlander also have similar focal lengths and aperture lenses available.
CVs are not what I would call low cost. I'd put them in the middle tier. But that's me.
More is not bad as long as they can stay in business. Frankly, at this price point I'd give it a whirl and then sell it for $170 and if I didn't love it.
I didn't mean to insinuate Voigtlander was low cost; rather, that they offer something in this space.
As for selling it, make sure you check your local market before you do. Up here and over on Fred Miranda, these lenses (TTArtisans, 7Artisans, Kipon, KamLan, and to a lesser extent, Laowa) tend to lose half their value (if not more) on the used market.
At $200 even if It went down to $100, while I wouldn't like it, I can live with it for a true chance to try it. Now, if I paid say $3,857 USD and it went down to $1,928 or so, in two words, NO WAY!
Something tells me in time we will see TTArtsian grow into offering auto focus lenses. I think this is just the beginning of the cheap lens revolution and it’s about time, companies are charging $2000 for a piece of computer engineered glass that costs about $500 to manufacture to help make up for the poor margins lost to mobile photography,
Why always with the declicked aperture? The mechanism can't be too expensive to include, so why are these cheap Chinese lenses always declicked? I freaking hate it.
Wrong. Deckicking indeed cost nothing, not so with equidistant aperture ring. Even less so with properly calibrated equidistant aperture ring.
If you disassemble this lens you'll see an aperture ring directly coupled with iris. Pull apart any old lens, and you'll see a non-linear transmission for translating equidistant ring stops into geometric progression.
While click-less aperture rings are the norm on expensive cine lenses, those are also often geared for focus rigs. Something like 7Artisans probably does it more since it's one fewer thing to manufacture precisely.
I mean, it isn't like they try to eliminate all the focus breathing for video users.
>>It has nothing to do with cheaper production, there are Leitz cine lenses with a price tag of $45,000<< Foskito Take a moment to consider the steps no longer required to design, machine and manufacture the detent click notches and ball assembly simplifies the whole process. Less R&D, less time, less parts = lower production cost. And the marketing target for this product is the CHEAPER IS BETTER consumer. The exact polar opposite of your exotic cine lens example.
Depending on the use case, focusing could actually be easier. This is typically a street photography lens so you can pre-focus on a part where you expect the magic will happen. When it happens it's just click and go.
A gaping ~55mm front element and unassisted manual focus are pretty much the antithesis of street photography lenses
And if you have to stop down for that use.............. what's the point of the big aperture? Get a lens with half the speed and autofocus, and watch your keeper rate skyrocket.
People are free to buy what they want, but lenses like this truly defy logic for me.
Not necessarily. Their 35/0.95 is surprisingly sharp straight from the wide open. What you want to watch out for is field curvature, color cast, short focus throw, shіtty aperture ring; these sort of things.
I will state the obvious. If you look carefully, you will see some numbers on the side of the lens. It means you can change the aperture at will by moving that ring ;) You can use this lens to whatever aperture you want and use the markings for zone focusing when doing street photography, and use it for portraits at 0.95 if you wish to. I never said that you should use this lens for zone focusing at 0.95 :D
@Ziginox Yeah, typo on my end. It's too late to edit it.
@Juntoalmar, sure of course you can stop the lens down. However, if zone focusing for street is what you're after, why not just mount a smaller aperture lens to begin with and save yourself the weight?
@unhappymeal: Because rather than buying two or three 50mm lenses, I would buy one that covers all my needs. I know that having a big one for the studio and small one for the street would give better results, but reducing the amount of equipment is something I value.
@aidaho: it maybe is a half baked lens, but at a ridiculous price! I paid around 165€ for my copy brand new. For a f0.95 lens! It obviously doesn't offer a tactile experience like a zeiss, voigtlander or leica lens, but I like how it feels enough and it's pretty usable at f0.95. It is just a lens to take out and have fun, and for the price it's worth it IMO
I made a comparison of the 7Artisans 35mm f0.95 to the 7Artisans 35mm f1.2 MK1 and the Zeiss Touit 32mm f1.8. On the test chart and my personal experience the 7Artisans 35mm f0.95 is a great lens with character and fun to shoot. I am looking forward to the 7Artisans 50mm f0.95 wich is heading with FedEx in my direction.
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