TTartisan announces compact 23mm F1.4 wide-angle prime for APS-C camera systems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TssbN16eZEA

First samples on YT here, it's russian language (don't understand a thing, but pictures too look nice. The Guy used a Fujifilm XS-10, with the 23/1.4 TTA, no picture editing.

Good Light.

5 months agopermalink

It's being avialable for pre-order, at least the black version at the pergear shop germany, TTArtisan official Support from Aliexpress told me, it's being avialable within the next days also there...i buy the zebra version, being way happy with my 35/1.4 APS-C Fuji X lens.

Preorder link here:
https://www.pergear.de/collections/ttartisan/products/ttartisan-23mm-f1-4

The price is 99 EUR.

Good Light.

5 months agopermalink

wolfloid

They remind me if Praktica lenses from the 70s.

6 months agopermalink

AlanVSnapshot

Looks like B&H has New Release pre-order for $99 USD

6 months agopermalink

jackspra

Can’t figure out shot 5.Looks totally out of focus.

6 months agopermalink

I'd say the focus is as tight as a....

6 months agopermalink

Ventura Star

Maybe it's just me, but why do these lenses look like they belong on a 1960 Edixa 35mm SLR? No thanks.

6 months agopermalink

JackM

Reverse-engineered, i.e. stolen, designs should not be given the time of day here.

6 months agopermalink

Wheres accusations of wrong-doings without citing any evidences is just fine?

6 months agopermalink

jvansanten

Well, that would eliminate all lenses which are derivatives of Zeiss' breakthrough designs, and probably 90% of all lenses through 1990.

6 months agopermalink

Exactly, patents protect innovators, and patent expiry benefits humanity.

6 months agopermalink

jimrpdx

My old Pentacon is reborn! :-)

6 months agopermalink

Now let’s hope this is as good on digital as pentagon primes were on film

6 months agopermalink

Barbarus

Let's hope other optics makers are paying attention - More Zebra lenses please! :-)

6 months agopermalink

A good zebra is mostly tesar

6 months agopermalink

Eulan13

No way they can manage to engrave a proper DOF scale on their lenses. This one looks completely wrong, or, at least, extremely optimistic.

6 months agopermalink

Tim Zhou

Good catch, it looks similar to an ultra wide lens' DOF scale. Also it is probably not engraving but painting, similar to 35mm f1.4 I have.

6 months agopermalink

Eulan13

Yes, right: I also own the TTartisan 35mm 1,4: the DOF scale is completely unreliable. Possibly copied from an old 35mm for film cameras.....

6 months agopermalink

For decorative purposes, along w zebra pattern.

6 months agopermalink

HJVN

Is this an APS-C lens-design with a M4/3 mount? What does that give you?
A 17.5mm f/1.07 Is that correct

6 months agopermalink

JonB1975

No - equivalent FOV 46mm, DOF f2.8.

6 months agopermalink

LJ - Eljot

It will give you the same FoV and DoF as a 17.5mm f/1.07 lens on a sensor with 16.5mm image circle. A 1" sensor has 16mm image circle.

6 months agopermalink

https://photorumors.com/2021/11/15/new-ttartisan-also-announced-a-new-23mm-f-1-4-aps-c-mirrorless-lens/

Commonly used equivalents (to 135) would be:

µ43: 46mm F2.8
E/X: 35mm F2
M: 37mm F2.2

The lens is 23mm F1.4, that's physically what it is.

The equivalents refer to the type of framing you get (from the same vantage point) expressed in terms familiar to users of 135 film (aka 35mm or Full Frame cameras).

6 months agopermalink

grafli

the MTF Chart on their homepage showes that this should have been a m43 Lens!
Edge sharpness is non existent.

6 months ago*permalink

TT artisans build character

6 months agopermalink

(unknown member)

TT artisans build cheap crap!

6 months agopermalink

mart1234

Their 35 1.4 has a disturbing amount of barrel distorsion. I guess this one will be worse considering the focal length. Be prepared to correct that if shooting straight lines.

6 months agopermalink

They bend the image like Beckham bent the ball

6 months agopermalink

You Guys writing BS, the Lens is for so little money being excellent.

Review & Proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZDtbZV5zc

Haters gonna hate, anyway.

6 months agopermalink

(unknown member)

You get what you pay for at the end of the day.

6 months agopermalink

Probably just about every non-pro mirrorless lens from Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, etc. has disturbing amounts of barrel distortion, and that's OK. The computer chips in cameras or the profiles in RAW editors handle it really easily, and it's made lenses brighter and lighter.

That said, I don't even think the 35/1.4 is that bad. Sure, you can notice it sometimes, but seems well short of "disturbing".

6 months agopermalink

jimrpdx

Far too many mirrorless lenses allow massive distortion to pass for the camera to correct; TTArtisan has no electronic contacts to pass corrections so it's an honest distortion if any shows. Their 17 and 35 on my µ43 are both quite decent.

6 months ago*permalink

mart1234

I think I have gotten used to the camera correcting distortion and got disappointed when that didnt work with a third party lens. I think other people can get disappointed too.

6 months agopermalink

@mart1234 - that's entirely fair. One thing that irks me with my X-E2 is that I can't easily add in-camera distortion corrections to adapted lenses. The capacity exists to set some +/- distortion sliders (or so the manual tells me), but only when using Fuji's own M-mount adapter.

It sure would be nice to be able to have a handful of profiles (distortion, vignetting, maybe even color cast) I could program myself. Even if I had to switch between them in the menus myself, it'd be rather a good improvement.

6 months agopermalink

Gesture

$200?

6 months agopermalink

Your 2 cents? If it performs like it looks - Zeiss Tessar - it’s great. If it performs worse than kit zoom, even 20$ may be a bad deal

6 months agopermalink

Enshong

I wish they could stick to a lens aesthetic design though. I really love their 17mm 1.4 but the tapered barrel just feels odd and hard to use as it's just mostly a smooth surface.

6 months agopermalink

Kummik

I really enjoy the unique designs of TTArtisan lenses, including the 17mm f1.4. Tapered barrel means that the lens is lighter, smaller and more pocketable. It's actually a bit strange how much unneccesary material designers add to lenses just to have that traditional cylinder shape.

6 months agopermalink

https://photorumors.com/2021/11/15/new-ttartisan-also-announced-a-new-23mm-f-1-4-aps-c-mirrorless-lens/

Looking at both the 17 and 35, the tapered barrel seems like it makes more of a difference in the 17. The focus is stiffer and not quite as smooth, IMHO, and there's a lot less ridged grip relative to the straight sides.

A common design aesthetic would have been nice, tho...

6 months agopermalink

Karroly

It is a shame the Samsung NX system is dead.
My Samsung NX30 would have liked it !

6 months ago*permalink

snapa

None of these pictures show how sharp it is in the corners or edges. Also, none of them look sharp in the center. There is not much I can conclude from the images posted. All lens articles should always come with MFT charts, IMHO.

6 months agopermalink

lumenite

6 months agopermalink

lnsmr

The supply JPGs are low res, and even so the lack of sharpness is apparent. However, these lenses seem to be designed for "character" and rendering, and the sample photos do a great job in show the bokeh, color, sun-star, etc.

6 months agopermalink

AbrasiveReducer

They do have a cool look. Part early Schneider, part Zeiss Jena, part early Soligor. But none of those came with the Leica Star Trek font. Hope it's sharp.

6 months agopermalink

Mr Bolton

I could see this being an exciting combination on either my old Olympus E-M5 or on a Fuji X-E3. Small size, fast, optically good enough and most likely cheap enough.

6 months agopermalink

While I approach this as an APS-C lens, a M43 user probably has a lot to look forward to with this. The previous TTArtisans lenses have had focal lengths more aligned with APS-C crop factors, so this fills a gap. Should be a nice "standard" lens for folks who like small, cheap manual lenses with click aperture rings.

6 months agopermalink

Mr Bolton

That would include me. Who doesn't love a cheap thrill..

6 months agopermalink

Photomonkey

I love the 50's German vibe they have with the silver focus ring.

6 months agopermalink

It’s a cool look, but jmostly because it got to be associated with old times Zeiss quality. Otherwise it’s like the people that put Mercedes stars on their Renault / Lada or Suzuki etc

6 months agopermalink

ohnodslr

Actually Mercedes-Benz puts Mercedes Stars onto Renaults.

6 months agopermalink

AbrasiveReducer

Yes, like a Schneider Curtagon. But some early Spiratone-Accura lenses had this "look" as well. Fortunately, no one will remember (assuming they were born at the time.)

6 months ago*permalink

Leicalika

and yet, Toyota reliability beats both Mercedes and Renault, just wish they made lenses too

6 months ago*permalink

mandm

Mercedes uses Renault's 1.6-liter four-cylinder diesel engines coupled with Renault transmissions in the Vito front-wheel-drive medium van. A 1.5-liter diesel produced by Renault in Valladolid, Spain, is used in entry-level versions of the Mercedes A- and B-class models, as well as the CLA and GLA crossovers.

6 months agopermalink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_Citan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Kangoo

Paying Mercedes prices for Renault? This sounds really smart!
(Think it’s a better idea to get a Dacia Logan!)

6 months agopermalink

ohnodslr

6 months agopermalink

Reminds me of a Dalek.

6 months agopermalink

David610

As cool as living under Stalinist Communism.

6 months agopermalink

MyReality

Another lens for the EOS M line. Every little bit helps.

6 months agopermalink

The disowned child is happy with anything that drops from the table

6 months agopermalink

MyReality

@cosmaracoare - Some of them have been adopted by wealthy parents that can afford to buy them Sigma's.

6 months agopermalink

Lccy

I look forward to this lens as 35mm is one of my favourite focal lengths, I wish these manuals lenses could provide exif information but that would add to the expense

6 months agopermalink

madeinlisboa

Memorize or write down the aperture when you take a photo. All exif data can be added later in lightroom with a plugin

6 months agopermalink

I am waiting since months for this Lens. 35mm is my all-time fave focal length since the 80s, in #2 place is the 40mm focal length as prime lens. F1.4 Aperture helps great with lowlight/avialable light scenarios.

If this lens is only decent as their famous low budget 35mm F1.4 APS-C Lens, it's an instant hit. (which i bought right after release via Aliexpress)

I'll buy the zebra design, and perhaps the black one also 2022 for my black E1.

Good Light.

/edit fixed error

6 months ago*permalink

That "silver" one really is growing on me visually... I'm not sure that's because it reminds me of a Dalek, or in spite of it.

6 months agopermalink

I already have the 23mm f2 which I really like, but I always lust for the 1.4...
I wonder how this one performs wide open... if it is great and the price is reasonable (I would say 200 USD) why not? otherwise, wouldn't make sense for me.

6 months ago*permalink

Rumor is being told, that this Lens would being 100-110 USD, because a YT'ber called Damian Brown wrote it on Fujirumors, he'll get one for Review from the company, TTArtisans. He wrote "Second, and even better, source just confirmed 100-110 is the price their hoping to go with."

Which would being reasonable, because the famous, Voigtländer-inspired TT Artisan 35mm F1.4 is only ~80 USD, usually less than that. I got mine after release for 57 EUR into 2020.

/edit I wrote twice to TTArtisan during the past week, asking about the price and avialability, but Cloe answered, it's still into preparing stage. Ordinary, according to Fujirumors, that Lens should've been released already into October, as it was being scheduled for.

Next coming up into Nov/Dec. is the TTArtisan 28mm F5.6 M-Mount, which is a different (more updated) Lens design, but looking close to the Leica Summaron-M 28mm F5.6, which was being mentioned at DPR before.

Good Light.

6 months ago*permalink

100 bucks?? IF it works fine wide open is a no brainer... we have to wait!

6 months agopermalink

AbrasiveReducer

$100 sounds a bit low, even for TT Artisans.

6 months agopermalink

It's not too low, considering the 35mm F1.4 APS-C for various Mount Systems is usually 73 to 80 USD. And i like this Lens a hell lot.

Good Light.

6 months agopermalink

@AbrasiveReducer - the 17/1.4 sells for about $120, and both the 50/1.2 and 40/2.8 Macro for about $100. $100-110 seems about right for an APS-C lens from them.

6 months agopermalink

Well, the question is WHERE do we pre-order????

6 months agopermalink

xlucine

$100 is the same price as their 40mm f/2.8 macro and 50mm f/1.2 (lot of glass in that one), and a little cheaper than their $120 17mm f/1.4.

I took a few tests shots with the 17mm today - it's quite soft wide open, but that's a $120 f/1.4 wide angle lens for you, and it sharpens up acceptably when stopped down a bit. It's also soft at MFD, but then it's not a macro lens

6 months agopermalink

Like all lenses ever made, they get better when closed down. I already have the Fuji f2 and I think is great at all apertures. If this one is junk at f1.4 which is its main selling point, then I will pass.

6 months agopermalink

blåland

Great looking lens.

6 months agopermalink

cosinaphile

Im not a fan of this style of lens housing with regards to the focus ring,
[admittedly a personal style\aesthetic opinion ] i always welcome lenses that engage the user and can be used creatively in ways that are less obvious or impossible with auto lenses that provide computerized auto everything function.

I have a multitude of lenses.. and I value lenses that are both fully automatic and state of the art AF... and lenses that require full attention of the shooter for chosen function focusing and exposure[and or] based on how you set your camera

i love mf....but am so glad ive got near perfect af for times when.... well.... its common sense..... manual lenses keep me sharp.... af lenses serve actual situational needs .

zealots for either type lens are only cheating themselves

i like the finely divided ribbed rubberized ring for its tactile feel and its aesthetic presence for my mf lenses the af style lens bodies ... "they" can make that call...lol

6 months agopermalink

Kummik

When I buy metal manual lenses such as this TTArtisan 23mm, I like to think how one day my grandchildren will be using them. This would be unlikely with expensive plastic AF lenses.

6 months agopermalink

madeinlisboa

I already have 3 manual lenses now. Not for the regular "I must have the best of the best, otherwise they don't look good at 200%" gear freak

6 months agopermalink

left eye

If only these lenses had the twin ring preset aperture system of vintage Russian lenses - that was a sheer genius idea, works so well.

I say this as another old Russian lens just arrived. They are the gold standard of manual lenses IMO of course.

6 months agopermalink

xlucine

It's great on SLRs, but on mirrorless with focus peaking and bright viewfinders when stopped down I wouldn't use it.

Also, the gold standard for MF is a stop down pin - you don't need to remember to change the aperture for the photo!

6 months agopermalink

Getting this in a heartbeat. Click Aperture or Bust.

The 35, 17, and 50 TTA primes all have, IMHO, the best handling of budget Chinese primes. Even if this one is a bit odd looking in comparison, it'll be nice to have a middle-wide.

Can't wait.

6 months agopermalink

FuhTeng

They're clicky aperture? I didn't know TTA had that. Neat.

6 months agopermalink