iPhone X pre-orders only just started, but our friend Chase Jarvis of CreativeLive somehow got his hands on one of the very first smartphones out in the wild. Naturally, he took this amazing opportunity to run around New York City like a maniac and create the first hands-on field test of the iPhone X!
We spoke to Chase in New York before any of this went public, and he was kind enough to share some sample photos and his just-published video with us first.
Keep in mind that this video and the photos below (more on the CreativeLive blog) are not for pixel peeping or deep technical dives. We'll be getting our own review unit and you can be sure we'll test that stuff with the same technical fervor you've come to expect from DPReview. Instead, what Chase wanted to do was share his first impressions and a few snapshots after using the device for just a couple of hours.
The good news? Those impressions were extremely positive. No device is perfect, but Chase writes time and again that the iPhone X "felt like the future."
The point is simple. Just like the first iPhone helped us see the future we couldn’t quite put into words, so does the X. It’s more than just an incremental upgrade from the previous versions. With the iPhone X you can feel the future again in the smartphone.
Check out a few sample photos from Chase below, and then head over to the CreativeLive blog for more of his thoughts on the phone and a few more photos.
I like the sentiment of this blogger but I sadly have to say the sample photos are very sub-par (as is the video). There seem to be more shots of this chap holding his iPhone X than actual sample shots FROM it. The samples provided look severely crunched-down in res and/or out of focus.
We'll have to wait for photo samples from a more capable photographer to actually get a better idea.
you can shoot HDR in Portrait Mode now in the latest OS (I can now shoot HDR in Portrait Mode on my iPhone 7 Plus - it doesn't seem to be exclusive to the 8 or X).
Excellent blog post! For those of us who are not professional photographers and find it impractical to carry a large camera wherever we go, the iPhone X is indeed promising. As a side note, Apple and other smartphone makers deserve credit for making photography much more accessible to the general public. With that comes a broader appreciation for the art and artists.
Apple hit its all time record high of $169.84 just two hours ago! I own 2,000 shares of Apple stock, so I know a bit more about this than you do.
Mariano Pacifico wrote: "iPhone x projected sales is flat and thin "
False. There's a 5-6 week backlog of pre-orders. It's sold out all over the world. See this Fortune magazine article entitled "Apple iPhone X Lives Up to the Hype With Pre-Order Demand 'Off the Charts'":
Why do we have to go through this every time DPR has a positive article about an Apple product? If people praising Apple products makes you that mad, then don't click on the article. You're not adding value to the discussion by posting false and misleading claims.
"felt like the future" .... well folks, if we do not purchase this phone, we will be cave men, troglodytes, obsoletes, etc, etc, etc .... I do prefer to have another phone exclusively to communicate via voice or text with my family and friends, continue using my D750 and D500 to take my pictures and instead looking like zombie watching my phone screen almost 24 hours a day, talk face to face to my wife, family and friends.
<< Maybe the goal was to highlight the iPhone, not Chavis. >>
I guess it was, but having every selfie of him out of focus is maybe not the way to do it. What with selfies being a major use case for a phone and all.
As always, most comments are about brand snobbery and brand hatred. I'd truly hate to be a mindless millennial shackled to the limitations of such thinking!
You are really obsessed about this! It's a phone, for goodness sake, judging by your previous posts. It's not competing with your DSLR nor does it try to.
Lots of people like phone cameras. Lots of photographers use a phone as a carry around. Lots of non-photographers, to sum up the snobbery of your previous comments (or rather people who like to take memories) enjoy using phones to record their lives.
So you feel the need to tell us about your D800 and be filled with your own sense of self-importance. Really, you should get out and take some images. And share them with the world. Oh, I forgot, you previously said they were "private".
I think most cameras (especially lower end ones) would show an increase in sales if they could post directly to Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. (Presumably using the phone for the data connection.) How many times do you see someone photograph something then grab a bonus image on their phone for the instant social media post.
The pictures are junk. Much worse than my 2 year old Blackberry PRIV! Not to mention complete junk compared to 3-5 year olds like Panasonic CM1, Nokia 1020 or 808.
the new iPhone 8 and X have the same over-processed mushy photos as the iPhone 7, but they are beautifully made, X is gorgeous, and @electrophoto, a toaster that takes photos, methinx you jest... A Blackberry is a fruit that can still take photos.
IPhone is copying Samsung now: bezel-less design, and both lenses have OIS now. Also the screen size, wireless charging, finally an AMOLED screen and Gorilla Glass. Everything is like 3 years late to the game. The only things left are USB-C, headphone jack and SD card slot. Dual SIM will also help. Switch to Android, and you gonna be OK second tier phone like LG or HTC. Bravo Apple, you're getting there!
1. Not a bezel-less design 2. iPhones have had OIS for at least three years 3. Screen size is larger but that's hardly copying Samsung. 4. Samsung has overly vivid, cartoonish AMOLED screens which Apple isn't copying 5. Wireless charging sure, and they were good to support an established standard. Samsung didnt start that trend so Apple is copying someone else. 6. Gorilla Glass, well back when Samsung copied the iPhone, it copied the iPhone's regular glass.
Dont worry about the headphone jack, Samsung will drop the headphone jack and copy other phones like the new Pixl.
What I don't understand is the big deal about who made what first...it's all about the implementation of it, how well it works, and so on.
Many years ago, in the age of film, Nikon were the last of the big camera companies to have electronic info on their viewfinders and on the little screen next to the shutter release. They said they wanted to be sure this "new tech" was reliable before they implemented it.
Being first with something doesn't make it better. Better is simply what works better.
@DarnGoodPhotos 1. Have you seen the phone? It's bezel-less design. 2. Yes, you're right, 3 years, the last major manufacturer to implement OIS in 6+. 3. Yes, everybody was telling me why do you need such a huge screen (note 3), when Apple didn't have a big phone. Now they all using the "Plus" iphone. 4. Yes, Apple is not copying the screen, they are in fact using the original AMOLED screens made by Samsung. 5. Yes, Samsung used wireless charging in 2013. My Note 3 had a wireless charging. Apple - late by 4 years. 6. Also late by 4-5 years. Did Apple invent the glass which Samsung was using back then? Which year it was? Was a glass made by Apple? Again, my Note 3 had Gorilla Glass back in 2013
I'm waiting and waitin for them to drop headphone jack, but they don't do it so far. Probably know that it's a stupid move.
1. Samsung doesn't have a bezel-less phone, the Note8, S8, and Edge have top and bottom bezels. Except for the notch, Apple is closer to a bezel-less phone than Samsung, and Xaiomi is closer still with only a tiny chin. 2. Samsung wasn't the first with OIS so they copied others as well. 3. When the Note 3 came out, its screen was massive compared to other phones. Now people are used to bigger screens which is whyt he Plus sells well. 4. Apple isn't using the original AMOLED screens, which are old and have different resolutions, Apple has better OS-level color management which is why their screen isn't over-saturated and cartoonish like other AMOLED screens on phones. 5. Yep, better late than never, but Samsung didn't invent wireless charging so Apple is not copying them. 6. Samsung didn't invent Gorilla Glass so Apple is not copying Samsung by using GG.
Samsung has been removing the removable battery in their devices so the headphone jack is next.
It's clear that someone in here hasn't used a Samsung phone in years. Their calibration is top notch when using the right profile (sRGB, Adobe RGB or DCI P3) and they have been well calibrated for at least 3 years. Their white balance has been closer to 6500K than Apple's (too blue) for years too.
And no the X is not closer to being bezelless, even if fake renders want to make you believe so. The actual bezels are 3 times thicker all around than the promotional material shows. Which leads to a smaller screen to body ratio than say an S8 or Note 8. Simple math.
The Samsung phones similar top bezel and more of a bottom bezel, but less left and right than the iPhoneX; this brings up the point that no one, including Samsung, has a bezel-less phone although some companies are pretty close with three-side bezel-less.
@DarnGoodPhotos Yes, Samsung may not have invented all those things, but they used them, and now Apple copy what they do. They probably don't care about other manufacturers, they don't probably exist for Apple. The main threat comes from Samsung, that's why they copy them. It's like Nikon in above example, same happens with Apple. They lose user base, but they don't care, they just raise the price. But it's not gonna last forever. Actually I worked at Apple, and now work at Samsung. I know that Apple uses Samsung displays and other parts. For every phone Apple sells, Samsung gets around 20%.
@DarnGoodPhotos. Samsung is not copying other companies, it uses some products which other companies produce, such as Gorilla Glass, or Sony sensors, etc. Can you name me one thing which Samsung uses in their phones which was invented or produced by Apple? Did Apply actually invent anything new in their phones? Apple actually copies what Samsung does. The roles have changed.
Sure you are, all you are doing is talking about how Apple is copying Samsung by implementing features after them without acknowledging that Samsung did the same thing by virtue of their not implementing this features first.
Ummm... Don't you need to know your facts first? so much nonsense.
1) Gorilla glass? It was developed by corning for the original iPhone 1 at Steve Jobs request (repurposed from helicopter windshields). Prior to that every phone ever made had plastic screen faces. Basic tech history man.
2) Yes the AMOLED screen is made by Samsung. But it is Apples custom design. Most of the reviews state that apples custom driver silicon and LED layout achieve better color balance and less blue shift than all previous phones. AMOLED still has problems though, burn-in and battery life. Apple has been investing a lot into micro-LED tech. OLED is a stop gap.
3) Wireless charging doesn't work with metal bodies. Cheap plastic phones had it because they were cheap, and it is easy tech. The hard part in wireless charging with a metal body.
Samsungs OLED panels are being used by Apple, no one invented the OLED screen Samsung is using, they designed and developed it themselves... they both copied each other, in previous years it was Samsung copying Apple to gain traction etc in the market, but over the last few years Apple has lagged behind and is now doing more of the 'copying' than Samsung.
And clearly you guys never flipped through the Samsung internal 132 page PowerPoint slides which detail exactly which elements of the iPhone they tried to copy which was the basis of the court case.
Acquiring a company with an existing technology you want to use is not copying silly... pretty sure Apple was the first to implement this kind of technology on the smartphone. Google and amazon both copied Apple who had the foresight to acquire the technology they needed to achieve their vision. Good companies acquire technologies all the time. They are not copycats. Funny you brought up SIRI. Which was copied by the guys you are defending...
Even iTunes started as SoundJam. OSX widgets started as Konfabulator. Apple acquired the base technology and developed it from there. All of the major players did that.
Apple is doing enough copying these days, OLED screens, trying to go bezel-less, wireless charging, widgets etc. But, they each have copied each other to some degree through the years, its great for us consumers though as the R&D in mobile phones is amazing, gives us more and more options.
Sup, you really need to read up on technology before you make judgements about who copied what. Evi invented the technology behind Alexa which Amazon acquired in 2012. http://www.wired.co.uk/article/amazon-alexa-ai-evi
IBM is the only major company which invented, instead of acquired, its AI-assistant technology. Watson was developed in-house.
I'm a little surprised at all of the hate. Does everyone hating think that a good photograph can only be one that is of perfect exposure, focus, and full of detail? Smartphone photography is about capturing a moment. They do it better than any other cameras in the world because they're with us all the time. As an Android fan boy I'm stoked about the iPhone X as it will surely push the Android ecosystem to be better.
it's not hate, but rather amusement that you'd want your pics, your "captured moments" to look like smeared crap, just because youre too lazy to carry a real camera.
@mckracken88 It isn't about laziness most of the time.
Whenever I leave the house with my A7II & 55 f1.8, it means that I have to bring a bag long. If I am not certain I will be taking pictures it is an extra thing and extra weight to carry with possibly no benefit.
Additionally it is like carrying $1500+ in my wallet all of the time. Except that it would be my wallet in a bag (not on me all the time). So no matter what, I always have to keep it in mind regardless of what I am doing any time I place it down. Especially if I had the camera out in that area, since if anyone saw me with it and are aware that it is there it could get stolen.
If I take my kids to the playground or out for a walk or anything like that I don't necessarily need/want my FF camera with me. A phone is good enough to capture those moments. Those images would be shared with family and friends who only view it on a screen, don't pixel peep and don't care about or notice the difference in IQ.
Oh wait... I bet you go everywhere with a MF camera, most expensive best quality lenses, and a tripod to make sure you have the best quality pictures all the time.
What would we do without Chase Jarvis? We would have to wait a little bit longer to find out that another new smartphone does not take quality pictures! Who would have guessed?!
They do tend to cheat and when the light gets low (or sometimes not so low) take several images in very quick succession and then use the extras for noise reduction. You could see this when they started doing it, as sometimes you got a bonus bit from another shot when someone was moving. (IIRC the original iPhone 7 samples has a couple of instances.)
Still a long way to go to be able to challenge real cameras. Try to photograph a wedding with this. Or a sports event. Even kids' sports. Or the moon. Or wildlife. You may have a few nice photos but you'll miss a lot. Please also buy a proper camera. This one will not make you a photographer. Or videographer.
Whilst I love my FF DSLR, taking pictures of dolphins playing in the bow wave of my yacht is much easier and I get a much better hit rate using my iPhone 6s+ or my iPhone 7.......
Using the DSLR and trying to hold it steady as the yacht moves up and down through the waves, heeling and rolling at the same time + making sure I don't fall overboard or drop or bang the camera or lens, it is almost impossible to get an in focus shot as the dolphins randomly surface and leap.
Trust me, as I sail often I see dolphins quite regularly and the iPhone always gets the shot whereas my lovely DSLR generally misses it!
Would you say the same about a $125 Ricoh camera? No. So what's the point? Sure Apple's marketing, as well as Samsung's, Moto's, and the rest, blow the capabilities of their phone cameras out of proportion. But the key question is, does the phone do, or exceed, what we expect?
@BurningPlatform, I've been doing this for a long time and have NEVER shot a wedding, a grip & grin, kids sports or wildlife. That not what commercial photographers do.
BTW it sure is nice to be paid by the client—no need to flog prints sales to make a living ;-)
BTW2 with the viewing habits changing from print media to digital media there is no reason that you couldn't shoot advertising for the web with a phone. High-end portraits and fine art would benefit from a MFD.
BTW3 owning any camera will not make you a photographer—that come from your brain.
@cdembrey, It is good that you are happy with what an iPhone can do for you. I was not saying what pros do with their cameras, I was just trying to point out that some capabilities of phone cameras are a bit over-hyped, and there are many occasions that you need something else. If you do not need (any more?), it is alright with me. Keep up the good work, Chuck.
@King Penguin, while I have not frequented your yacht I can't say how bumpy rides you have. And you just prove my point, there are circumstances that an iPhone produces excellent results.
But with your FF DSLR, you could also try the "phone mode", i.e. zoom your stabilized lens out to 24mm, set the mode to aperture priority, set the aperture to the iPhone equivalent f11 and the focus to 7 feet and there you have it. No problems in focusing, more keepers.
So I ordered the iPhone X. I should count the number of devices my iPhone has replaced. For business and personal every 2 years I’ll get the latest and arguably the greatest.
I also subscribed to Lightroom CC mobile only as well so let’s see how this all works out with my DXO One.
I’ve been playing around with the built in Lightroom Photo App HDR setting and am very impressed. Let me know if Snapseed has anything close to this. Apple’s photo app doesn’t compare.
Smart people who aren't serious photographers. For us professionals and serious enthusiasts, Snapeseed can't touch what Adobe's products can do. When I retire, I'll revisit whether I want to keep Adobe on my computers, but for now, I'm very impressed with Lightroom CC and CC Classic and their integration with my phone/tablet/computer/cloud service.
I’m pretty sure that the iPhone screen is calibrated from the factory One of the reasons they waited so long to use OLED screens. As for a waste of time this is a hobby so......
Hardly considering Apple's phones are a large part of the Chinese market. When I was there in 2013, I saw people walking around with two phones each. Over and over again. And one or both were always iPhones. And every single person who owns a business, factory, design firm used iPhone. Ever single one.
Scoobysnapstories you are misinformed. Ewelch is right. iPhones sell like hot cakes in China. Look at the chart in the link. It took me all of 10 seconds to find this data. Perhaps you should think and do a minute of research before you make yourself look stupid.
Maybe, although having an Optical Image Stabiliser in the camera was a noticeable part of my last purchase decision - and the lack of one why I hadn't upgraded the year before and kept my old phone for a 3rd year.
Still liking my iPhone6s Plus. Don’t see a need to update yet as when I get a nice shot (meaning the content), no one ever asks me what I took it with.
I wouldn't upgrade just for the camera, but OIS on the telephoto lens could really help low light portrait mode and zoomed low light photos. OTOH, the X is different enough that it isn't as simple a decision for the rest of the normal reasons to upgrade after two years and like PCS, flagship cellphones are powerful enough to last three or four years without much pain now.
Pictures from X are crap, just as pics from my iPhone 7 and every other phone... At least to my eye. Improvements are definitely there, but still far behind my imaging needs.
You were pixel peeping on a cell phone? Seriously? Surely this is irony or a joke. I mean the corners are sea and sky, so how can they look so bad? It's a phone, not your D800, but try putting the D800 in your pocket. Or doing the many other things one does with a mobile phone.
Why would i want to put my d800 in my pocket? It goes in my bag. Sure if you're a senior and have a REALLY bad back then you would have some excuse for taking those crappy internet pics.
Looking at the full res. is pixel peeping? So what's the 12mp good for? Surely for your phone display 1 or 2 would suffice? (rolls eyes)
You would want to put a camera in your pocket because you left your D800 at home. You left it at home because you seldom take it with you to work, bicycling, etc. And now you want to get a shot and have no camera.
Award winning photographer Chase Jarvis is impressed with the photos from the iPhone X. I guess people will have to decide between his opinion and that of "mckracken88." LOL.
Why would i leave my d800 at home when i want to take photos? You make no sense at all. And no I dont need to take photos of the new manhole cover around the block.....
LOL back at you, and this award winning guy Chase Jarvis who has REALLY low standards. How low? Compared to that pocket phone's pics, my 4mp CANON from 2003 looks like medium format...
As monked said, "you're magic mckracken." You can see the future and know whether there will be something interesting you'd want to photograph every day before you leave the house. There's never been a beautiful sunset that you didn't know about at least 8 hours in advance.
You don't have higher standards or a better eye than Chase Jarvis. What model of 2003 Canon 4mp did you have? I'd like to find a review of it so that I can compare the photos to ones from the iPhone X.
@Peter Bendheim "You were pixel peeping on a cell phone? Seriously? Surely this is irony or a joke."
I would agree, Peter, if they weren't printing ads in the size of a blue whale, wallpaper the inner cities with them, and claim: shot with an iphone x/8/whatever.
@mckracken88 - You have no photos in gallery, no website, no gear listed.. Just bla bla comments and likes. Get yourself an iPhone, that will be huge progress in your photography life... :D
I believe these articles and videos regarding identical twins have been created for the sole reason of click bait that then keep getting regurgitated in an effort to bash what looks like an amazing new smartphone.
Without the foggiest idea whether it's a good move. Ignoring the fact that FaceID is more secure, and faster, why should anyone take such ignorant complaints seriously?
Security is not an issue. Privacy is not an issue. So what is the issue
@Martin JC wrote: "okay -- check out this reviewers thoughts on face recognition ...."
How is someone a "reviewer" of a product that they never used? As the highest rated comment under that said, "Dude, please use face id first. Then judge."
He's not a reviewer. He's some millennial posting clickbait on Youtube to try to get money from ads. Did you see his "about" section? "I used to make joke tech tutorials but recently switched exclusively to real tech topics...As of October 2016, I now make real tech videos and discussions." He sounds like quite the distinguished tech expert.
When I watched the Apple presentation demo of it, the process didn't appear seamless...."
The process appeared completely seamless and without fault. It behaved exactly as intended and did not once fail with a false positive or false negative.
More on your so-called reviewer. On his web page, he states that after college, he immediately "started producing videos full time on YouTube." So, as I suspected, he's some millennial, with no significant tech experience, who is posting videos on YouTube instead of working at a real tech job. It also says this on his web page: __________________ For Brands:
I have experience with brand integrations on my channels with well known brands such as Lenovo, Amazon.com, and LG. If you’re interested in a brand integration for one of my channels, you will find the following information useful. Brand integration requests and proposals (including pricing and expected reach) are handled through my managing network, Studio71." __________________
He's not a reviewer. He's a tech whore, willing to pretend to lust after some brand if they pay him enough.
@Martin JC: You're a good and reasonable man -- a sad rarity on the Internet.
That YouTube guy annoys me because he serves as example to be cited by anyone who claims that tech reviewers are paid off. There are a lot of ethical, principled tech reviewers who would never consider "brand integration" for money.
P.S. The so-called failure of Face ID during the demo was not a failure at all. That iPhone X had "seen" multiple faces while it was being carried around and placed for the demo. After recognizing none of them, it reverted to needing a PIN. That's a good behavior security-wise.
Because you see the brand you fail to acknowledge it’s significamce. iPhone X is like one of those gadgets I dreamt of and saw in a sci-fi films as a boy and Apple are still a company that can deliver something we don’t know we even need yet.
And like a dog whistle, when people see this particular brand, many times their brains fall right out of their heads and their mouths go into overdrive.
The only people who’s mouths go into overdrive seem to be the Apple haters who are shouting down a product that has not been released yet and one they haven't actually used so hardly qualified to call it yet another camera phone.
@gazza73 - Why would you want a product you do not need? Some people do this to substitute for something lacking in their personality or stroke their ego.
@MyReality: You asked "Why would you want a product you do not need?
Who the hell are you to tell other DP Review users that they "do not need" a product?
But to answer your question, I would want a product I don't need if it brought me happiness or improved some aspect of my life. I didn't buy a boat because I needed it. I didn't buy high-end audio gear because I needed it. I didn't buy motorcycles because I needed them. I bought those things because they made me happy.
"Some people do this to substitute for something lacking in their personality or stroke their ego."
@MyReality: So you don’t own a TV, microwave, CD player, computer? Some of the many products we didn’t know we needed until someone came up these unique ideas. Love or hate Apple (no guessing which camp you are in) they pretty much invented the smartphone and they are still the ones pushing the boundaries of technology in what we thought was a mature product line. Ego has nothing to do with this discussion and no idea why you brought it up. The only ego I see here is yours in your inability to recognise the advances being made by Apple just because you canning see past the brand........ sad really.
@fmaxwell - Such aggression over purchasing objects. I was not telling other DPR users that they do not need or that they should not buy products that they do not need. You jumped to a conclusion from my philosophical or psychological question. As to my last statement, any psychologist will tell you the same thing. If you need to buy objects to be happy, get a life. Look beyond objects to improve your life. Where is it written that you are entitled to be happy?
@gazza73 - What we need to function in the world, changes over time. If it did not, we would still be living in the stone age. Some companies try to create products that we want, but do not need. If cellphones were never created, we would still be functioning fine. Once a product is created and spreads thru society, a need is created. Some people are insecure and need to try to build up their ego. Buying things sometimes helps by making them temporarily happy, until that goes away and they need to buy the next thing.
@MyReality: Not sure where your self appointed position of higher moral ground attitude is coming from and why you feel the need to make this personal by suggesting people who buy iPhones have ego issues and unhappy lives?? It makes me chuckle in your view that only technology you yourself own is considered essential where stuff you don’t is just ego stroking..... an indication this conversation is going nowhere. If Apple found the cure for cancer I’m sure you’d find issues with that. I wish you find some happiness as I have little time for further pointless exchange as I’ve got an iPhone X waiting to be set up. ✌️
@MyReality: You've posted more than 600 comments on DPR and the first sentence you wrote was: "If these pictures are your only source for buying this camera, then your before purchase research is worse than most beginners." You have a history of "aggression over purchasing objects.""
"I was not telling other DPR users that they do not need or that they should not buy products that they do not need."
You literally wrote "@gazza73 - Why would you want a product you do not need?"
"As to my last statement, any psychologist will tell you the same thing."
No psychiatrist would suggest that strangers who purchase iPhone X smartphones are doing so "to substitute for something lacking in their personality or stroke their ego."
"Some people are insecure and need to try to build up their ego. Buying things sometimes helps by making them temporarily happy, until that goes away and they need to buy the next thing."
Perhaps that's why you list seven cameras and six lenses as gear you own.
@fmaxwell - I will not reply to gazza73, because he completely missed my more general point and reduced my argument to a single object, but I will reply to you. I asked the question "Why would you want a product you do not need?". That is a rhetorical question used to start a discussion It is not the same thing as saying "You must or must not buy this product". I will not discuss psychology, except by saying that psychologists do not diagnose anything based on single cases. They establish patterns of behavior based on multiple cases. Yes, I have seven cameras, but you may have noticed that my youngest camera is about 5 years old, I broke the habit of continually buying new gear by trying to improve my photography by using the gear I have. I have sold pictures made with gear 30 years old and gear 5 years old. If I thought I could sell more pictures with newer gear, than I would buy some, I would then have a rational reason for buying more gear.
@MyReality, I don't see how this can be a rhetorical question: "@gazza73 - Why would you want a product you do not need?" You addressed him by name and used the pronoun "you" twice in the question. Who are you talking about and what product are you referring to (if not the iPhone X)?
"I will not discuss psychology..."
You're the one who brought the topic of psychology into this discussion!
Don't treat people like they are stupid. We read what you wrote. If it was not about the iPhone X specifically, not about gazza73, and not about psychology, then what the hell was it about?
@fmaxwell - Time is too precious to spend arguing with people like MrReality and they are best avoided in life. Why a complete stranger in a harmless exchange of comments feels the necessity to insult me by insinuating I have an over inflated ego and a sad empty life as I don’t share his opinion of the new iPhone is unbelievable. The fact he tops it off by saying “I will not reply to gazza73, because he completely missed my more general point and reduced my argument to a single object” is more the reason move on.
The iPhone X is a great piece of technology that Apple should be proud of. To anyone interested, it does feel futuristic to use. Additionally, contrary to the click bait videos doing the rounds about FaceID being easily fooled I can only say it’s working perfectly and is a totally seamless way to interact with your smartphone and one which every smartphone will use in the coming years.
@fmaxwell - You need to read my posts many times. I did not mention the iphone x once. Nowhere did I malign that phone. My initial post was in response the original post by LiangMing. The difference between objectively and subjectively looking at things. The subject than changed to buying things that people do not need to try to achieve happiness. I said I will not discuss psychology, because I assumed that you did not understand my previous statement about human behavior or you ignored it. "what the hell was it about?" - In the end, it was about people buying the newest technology simply because it was the newest, even if they did not need it. They were just satisfying some other need in their life that was missing. These ideas are available in any freshman college psychology text book. There are both rational and irrational reasons for buying anything.
@fmaxwell - The discussion started with the iphone X by LiangMing and than became more general when you mentioned that you buy things to make yourself happy. I went from there by saying that people buy things that they do not need, but want. I gave psychological and emotional reasons why some people do this. These reasons can be found in reading about psychology and/or philosophy. This is not condescending, it is a statement of fact. I decided to stop the psychology discussion, because you were not responding to it or you were in denial. My righting was very clear about it. "My intelligence and knowledge exceeds yours." A very boastful statement. Maybe, maybe not. You said you were an engineer, that implies that you were trained in the sciences. Most people that I know trained in the sciences were lacking in the knowledge of the liberal arts. I was trained in mathematics, computer science, engineering , psychology and philosophy. Congratulations on being a published author.
@MyReality -- First you said "My initial post was in response the original post by LiangMing." His post was one sentence specifically about the iPhone X. Now you're saying you were replying to me. But the actual reality (vs. your reality), is that I originally answered you, not vice-versa. You asked "@gazza73 - Why would you want a product you do not need? and I replied "But to answer your question, I would want a product I don't need if it brought me happiness or improved some aspect of my life. I didn't buy a boat because I needed it. I didn't buy high-end audio gear because I needed it. I didn't buy motorcycles because I needed them. I bought those things because they made me happy."
"This is not condescending"
When you direct me to read "any freshman college psychology text book" it is condescending.
"My righting[sic] was very clear about it."
Your writing has been a series of contradictory statements, hostility, and thinly veiled insults.
@fmaxwell - You need to stop making assumptions and jumping to conclusions about what I said. I did not direct you to read anything. There is not point in having a discussion with someone who is insecure and defensive. End of conversation.
Some day we will actually see decent picture quality from a smartphone.
For now, overly aggressive noise reduction, smeared pixels and mega hyped Instagram style modes will have to do. (What was DXO thinking?! The bar must be set pretty low still)
I'm sure it will be great for NSFW selfies to your significant other though, and the people that hack your account will appreciate how great you look, so, WINNING!
Car models get renovated every 2 years, and get a huge depretiation just 6 months after you buy it. And people are still buying cars by millions. The money you loose with an Apple X is a trifle compared to the one you loose with any car.
Buy it for 1k, keep it for two years, sell it for $250 - that's about $2 a day for a phone that can do a heap of useful things. More powerful than some computers. Read the news, communicate, check flights, weather, stocks, navigate from A to B, send files, scan documents, check mails, set an alarm.The other day I used a free app for a spirit level to straighten some shelving - pretty useful.
And you can take some useful snapshots too... At $2 a day that's not much more than a subway ride or a coffee. Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.
Suppose you keep it for 2yrs. Cellular service $80/month = $1,920 for 2 years. Then the total you spend is $2,920 If you get a "cheap" one for $650, your are still paying $2,570 over two years. Is that not a stupid price compared to $2,920? What about, getting one for free? It is still only about 30% offset, as you still have to pay for service..
There is a big difference when it comes to a car and a phone. Though a car is renovated every 2 years (assuming this is correct), people typically don't upgrade their car every 2 years. I am not sure about the statistics, but I could imaging that you pretty much hold on to a well functioning car for 10 years or so easily. A car also typically has added benefits to your family as a whole. A phone a completely personal. It doesn't exactly benefit any other member of my family.
@lawny13 I don't know about the renovating time for cars. But a car 10 years old, keeps a value generally less than 10% of its initial one. Also, to say that a phone is personal is a strange statement. A phone is one of the most social devices anyone can use. It benefits you, but also your family (directly and indirectly helping your job), your friends, etc. And most of the cost of a phone goes for the service fares not for the initial cost.
By personal, I meant that it is a personal item, for personal use. Yes it connects you to social media and allows you to communicate with others. But for communication a cell phone from 20 years ago still served that purpose. But as for the social argument... these days that social connectivity is greatly balanced out by the detachment it also produces.
As for the initial costs... $300 cell phone vs a $1000 cell phone = 3.3x the cost. I doubt very much you get 3.3 times the quality and performance. A 10 year old care might be less than 10% the initial cost, but how about a 10 year old phone? Its value would pretty much be 0 since no one would want it.
Last but not least there are the limitations. If you get your car maintained and serviced properly it can last you 50-100 years. When it comes to cell phones software changes and updates will force you to replace it. A friend of mine can't even get whatapps up on his iphone 4 anymore, cause the new version of the app requires new OS
Anyway, I didn't bring up the car analogy. I think doing so is like comparing raisins to watermelons. A car is far more functional over a long period of time compared to a phone. Companys advance and change phone tech and the software on them at such speeds that pushes us in the renewal cycle of every 2-4 years. It is not so for a car, at least not yet. I can basically safely by a second hand car for 2-3 grand and run it for 10+ years and then sell it maybe for 0.5 to 1 grand. I can't do that with a phone. Get a second hand iphone that is 3-4 years old and see how long it will be supported (don't forget those apps too).
I would argue that cars no longer will last 50-100 years even if maintained because all of the electronic components have a finite lifespan before they fail and manufacturers wont keep making them. Even more true as LCD panels are starting to replace mechanical gauges inthe dashboard. Buying a cheap used car and using it for 10 years is akin to buying an iPhone 4 and doing everything in browser because that car or phone didn’t support apps and the OS has never been updated from the one it came with which is why it performs much like new.
An iPhone 3G, without updating the OS beyond its version number, still makes phone calls, plays music, and browses the internet at the same speeds it did when new. The fact that you are placing greater demands is not an indication of the phone being obsolete due to its mechanical failure, just that your needs have changed since buying it. If you buy a small twin-seat car but then have 5 kids, the car is not obsolete at being a 2-seat car.
I just came from Tokyo. I was able to contact people there, to find directions for meetings, look for izakayas' addresses, get the translation of words I didn't know while talking to japanese, contact people from my job, contact family... and take pretty nice pics. So much for a non social, only personal item.
Anyone has figured out yet if it comes with the same sensor size as the 8 or a bigger one? During the annoucement they mentioned a better sensor on the X along the OIS on the tele.
@esfandiyar2002: If you have to sell your Nikon D850 to afford a top-drawer mobile phone, then you need to manage your money better. Most photographers recognize that a mobile phone with a top-notch camera is an important tool in their arsenal, primarily because they will have it to hand when they have no other camera -- which is most of their waking hours.
Ditto. I knew that the iPhone X would bring AAPL up but the positive press is making it even better. They hit a new 52-week high yesterday and they're up 2.39 points so far today.
Is there any point in anyone doing any sort of review of an iPhone? Good, bad, or terrible, the fools who so love paying for them will still shuffle to the store, arms outstretched, so they can drool or ejaculate all over the shop front, days before it goes on sale. No critical review will deter them, nor any judgment on the obscene price of the product. Poke one of these zombies and ask them why they need it, and they'll look confused and say "but it's the latest iPhone innit?"
"ejaculate all over the shop front" ????? - that's a bit crude for a photography site don't you think? But then your whole post is littered with derogatory and crude remarks, the one I refer to just takes the cake.
Is there any point to reviewing an Android phone anymore? Good, bad, or terrible, the fools who so love paying for them will still shuffle to the store, arms outstretched, so they can drool or ejaculate all over the shop front, all so they can get the latest Galaxy/Pixel/HTC/LG phone with the same Snapdragon processor, exploding batteries, and blue-tinted screens.
No critical review will deter them, nor any judgment on the obscene price of the product. Poke one of these zombies and ask them why they need it, and they'll look confused and say "OSS, dude."
Heck, true Android fanbois will even switch to the latest-and-perceived-greatest phone 2 or 3 times in the same year.
You always such a smug D-bag ? I am a 50+ year old Dad of 3 and am treating myself to an IPhone X 256G , Why cause I have earned a treat after years of putting others first .. It will hold my vast music library and I use it to shoot test shots of images I shoot ..& Also Shoot some seriously great grab shots with my iPhone 6 & expect this to be even better .. as to what’s my photo experience.. Been doing photo since 1983 and have a BFA & MA in photography and taught Photo at a college level .. and all the squawking about iPhones and smug responses by fools like you is similar to when autofocus was first put on a camera and met with the same foolishness.. Just say you are poor and can’t afford it , it will come across better then being a flaming Dbag
@Reactive, Your vulgar, crass comment, devoid of any technical insight, speaks volumes about your lack of objectivity and class. If $1K seems like an "obscene" price for a device as important to your life as a smartphone likely is, spend less time posting insulting, venomous comments and more time developing the job skills you need to earn a salary adequate to buy nice things.
For many of us, having a reasonably decent pocket camera to hand at all times for everyday use is what we want. If it includes a portable computer, email, telephone, lossless music player, etc all in the same device, why not try and get the best you can?
I have a DSLR but it's never there when I want it. I've held off buying a compact camera on purpose (e.g. Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV or V) to see if the iPhone X will provide a reasonable enough quality photo instead. When you look at the price of purchasing all of these things separately, the iPhone X (or equivalent) is an acceptable expense.
Yeah, and those Samsung phones which so often cost $50 less, or sometimes even more than iPhones (depending on release dates and other factors) pretty much prove your comment has no credibility. And to top it off, the iPhone's processors blow away the processors in Samsung phones. Now this phone does cost $200 - $300 more than the competition (specifically the iPhone 8, but Samsung top phones as well), but what one gets for that extra $300 is worth it if you need it. Some people do, some don't. And trolls will not deter them with salacious, specious, fallacious, comments.
Gee a real photographer testing a camera—a first for DPR ;-)
Eric Kim said "My idea of the future of photography: either buy a digital medium format camera, or just use your phone." Mike Johnston of TOP agrees " ... I decided to use my iPhone as one of my two main cameras, and since then have been trying to decide what the other one should be. And the logical answer keeps coming up, "go medium format."
As soon as I can run some tests on an iPhone X I'll see if I agree with Eric and Mike. BTW the only meaningful test are those you do yourself—using your workflow and your subjects.
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