Leica M10 1.9.4.0 firmware arrives with major bug fix

Name a less price full framed M that is still in production.

Jul 17, 2017permalink

WastingTime

But do these black pictures have the Leica look?

Jul 17, 2017permalink

In the past, I have tried several times to purchase Leica M240. All of them had the same bug and they ended going back to Leica. I always asked my trusty people if they have reworked their software in the different upcoming models; the answer was unclear which means that they had not. In spite of the nice service and friendly attitude at their stores I never trusted Leica for their ability to recognize and fix bugs. Even Leica-Fotopark has bugs.

Congratulations to them it took them 3.5 years and several models to fix a bug. I wonder if they have fix all other ones or how long would it take to fix them. Maybe this is the real reason why they strip down functionality from their cameras. I might give them a chance to test an M10.

Jul 16, 2017permalink

Which M240 bug are you referring to?

Jul 16, 2017permalink

Producing black images as it is mentioned above in the firmware fix.
But the list is much longer.

Jul 17, 2017*permalink

Aleks7

Mine M240 was getting often stuck while shooting burst. I had to take off the case, open the camera, remove battery, reinsert... before being able to shoot again. In real life this comes at the price of lost images, that's not something one would expect from pro camera.
I was looking whether this was common bug, but didn't find it anywhere. I used multiple Sandisk Extreme (mostly Pro 95MB/s) cards.

Jul 17, 2017permalink

Nick932:

Well, the above list is for the M10.

I'd not read of M240 black images, but I've only tried one more than a few times, never owned one.

Jul 17, 2017permalink

Using a Leica is something that I enjoy as experience and i find very intuitive to use and excellent user interface. However, there are many quirks. Because of that I cannot justify to purchase one. Like Aleks7 says it results in missing effectively the "decisive moment". In a lot of articles reviewers mention some kind of a bug. If a person does not mind this, then all is great. There are many benefits of a Leica camera over other cameras but of course all depends on the use because other cameras have different benefits.

I have experienced the following issues:
1. the black image as described above.
2. the camera freeze and become inoperable after taking a shot. The recording light would not come off. I have waited 5-6 minutes to finish recording the image. Most common problem.
3. turning the power off and the recording light will come on. So effectively the camera would not turn off and I would not be able to take a shot. I do have a short video of this behavior. Continues bellow..

Jul 20, 2017*permalink

At one occasion, when I purchased the camera, Leica provided me a specific memory card. I tried many of them; the above problems were not cured. Not all cameras had the same problem. But it was similar and had to do with the recording of the image. I have not experience Aleks7 issue but I have been warned from a Leica technician about this problem.

I ended up buying an M7 which has worked flawlessly.

Leica-Fotopark has fixed, quiet promptly, bugs that I have pointed out to them but they have not fixed all of them. Congratulations for their effort. Maybe they are weighing the severity of the bug or how often a feature is used. Which I find quiet annoying. There is an expectation that a product will work flawlessly and this drives quality and trust towards the product.

Jul 20, 2017*permalink

(unknown member)

I have never seen a digital M in use, ever. I read this and find it is troubled because its UHS II is a no go whereas all recent machines use UHSII with total impunity and the old ones I have from 2004-5 work with but no faster than UHSI. Which means one thing only: Leitz are incompetent digicam designers.

What is the least you can pay for this thing with a lens to entitle you to these problems??!! Answers on a postcard please to......

Jul 16, 2017permalink

And yet I see Ms on the streets of my city usually 1 or 2 a week.

The least you can pay? Purchase the body+battery, then find a used Voightlander or Konica M mount lens on Ebay.

"Which means one thing only: Leitz are incompetent digicam designers."

And yet digital Ms and Qs sell in abundance.

Jul 16, 2017permalink

You don't buy an M to have the latest and greatest in technology. M's have never been about speeds and feeds and specs. The same goes for film Leica M's. That's not what Leica M's are about. After all, a Leica M7 film body still sells for $4550, new. That's for a camera with no AF, no advanced metering, no auto film advance...basically none of the basic features that can be found on much lower cost modern film SLRs. So based on this, should we conclude that Leica are "incompetent film cam designers"? No, because Leica M's have never been about the latest technology or specs.

Jul 16, 2017*permalink

Peter Herth

I have a M10 and am very happy with it. Not supporting UHS II is a bit disappointing but of not real consequence in real-world usage. The bug fix for SD cards is of course important.

Jul 17, 2017permalink

The firmware update was inspired by Leica engineers and not by owners since Leica rarely used for photograpy 😁

Jul 15, 2017permalink

...hence black frame or card write speed went unnoticed 😊

Jul 15, 2017permalink

easteast

How come I know plenty of great photographers using Leicas today?

Jul 15, 2017permalink

I don't know , how come ? 😊

Jul 15, 2017permalink

"The firmware update was inspired by Leica engineers and not by owners since Leica rarely used for photograpy 😁"

Then why do I see Ms on the street all the time, in my city?

Jul 15, 2017permalink

Do they actually take photos or just hanging out with Leica on the neck ?

Jul 15, 2017permalink

Akpinxit:

Take photos all the time.

Jul 15, 2017permalink

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIW9sL-Yf6Q

Ok then . I'm actually curiouse , which city is it ?

Jul 15, 2017permalink

tassienick

What a witty comment, well done.

Jul 15, 2017permalink

King Penguin

It's black......black 😀

Jul 15, 2017permalink

What do you mean, it's free? People will think I'm not rich!!!

Jul 15, 2017permalink

tonysfoto

What a shame!

Jul 15, 2017permalink

The Silver Nemesis

Hmmm...tempting, tempting...

Jul 15, 2017permalink

rafalvonbur

i know feeling this same

Jul 15, 2017permalink

Lourdgoogoo

It is 2017. Why in this day and age would anybody even make a camera not UHS-II compatible?

Jul 15, 2017permalink

(unknown member)

Bug? Feature, surely?

Jul 15, 2017permalink

Mariano Pacifico

Leica and Nikon should go together in recall matrimony. Both are gasping for sales. Leica has bugs ... Nikon has shutters in total it is called SHUTTER BUGS.

Jul 15, 2017permalink

"Leica and Nikon should go together in recall matrimony. Both are gasping for sales."

What are you talking, do you have any idea how well Leicas sell? Answer, clearly not.

Not seeing the Nikon thing either, big deal, some D750 have an issue, do you have any idea how many Nikon D750s have sold and worked flawlessly for years?

So uninformed about Leica and Nikon.

Jul 15, 2017permalink

Mariano Pacifico

My answer HowaboutRAW is millions of D750 were sold and only few knew about shutter issues. Because if they knew, they wouldn't have bought it but they did because it got 90% Gold Award from DPR.

Jul 15, 2017*permalink

ethanethereal

The D750 I used for yearbook had the shutter shading defect, but I could only ever trigger it on purpose, it was a nonissue. Still, a free repair from Nikon is a free repair.

Jul 15, 2017permalink

tonysfoto

:) :) :)

Jul 15, 2017permalink

MP:

I don't think DPR's ratings matter that much.

However amazing results do, and D750 users get those.

It doesn't seem like a widely reported issue, and the camera has been out for years now.

Jul 15, 2017*permalink

Oh, hello, brother Lumiere! I knew I'd find you in a Leica recall thread. :-)

Jul 15, 2017permalink

(unknown member)

No recall here - did you read the article?

Jul 15, 2017permalink

marmotto

"THE REVENGE OF LEICA LAWYER " :-)

Jul 16, 2017permalink

marmotto:

""THE REVENGE OF LEICA LAWYER " :-)"

The OP posted something delusional about Leica sales. Thought I would correct it.

And Nikon sure aint gasping for sales of the D750.

Jul 16, 2017permalink

HowaboutRAW, nobody calls it OP anymore. It's called topic starter, not original poster.

Jul 18, 2017permalink

Edmond Leung

Careless engineers. No perfectness concept from the designing stage.
Might be Leica is influenced by their Chinese buyers' mentality.

Jul 15, 2017permalink

Because firmware glitches are never a thing with other cameras?

Have you used a Microsoft Windows computer from the 1990s?

I see lots of Ms on the street, very few being used by Asians. Seen a few Qs being used by people of Asian ancestry, didn't ask if they were Chinese.

Move beyond the cliched and sort of racist thinking.

Jul 15, 2017permalink

The more expensive M is used by "very few Asians", a few Qs - by "you didn't ask" who. I'm far from the most open-minded person, but even I don't usually note the RACE of a camera user. You do. A "sort of racist thinking", don't you think?

Jul 15, 2017permalink

Trundling:

Not even a little bit, it's just observation of the streets of my city.

"but even I don't usually note the RACE of a camera user", the question wasn't about any camera.

Also read the OP's post. You clearly didn't.

Jul 15, 2017*permalink

Dr Blackjack

Welcome to DPR, where Asians, in particular Asian Women, are considered lesser beings that are an insult to photography.

Jul 15, 2017permalink

Dr B:

Not sure how it's insulting to Asians that I noted rarely seeing them with Ms. It's a basic observation, which only applies to my city. And it was posted to counter the OP's racist meme about Chinese engineering.

Jul 15, 2017*permalink

Dr Blackjack

I meant my comment as a criticism of an attitude often found here. Your comment was fine.

Jul 15, 2017permalink

Just leave it, HowaboutRAW! You made a VERY racist and chauvinist comment and don't even see it. You should be ashamed of yourself, Cliven D. Bundy!

Jul 18, 2017permalink

Trundling:

Ya know what's racist? Your insertion of "more expensive" into my comment.

Keep up your projection/invention.

"You should be ashamed of yourself, Cliven D. Bundy!"

Methinks Trundling protests too much. I'll hazard a guess, it's envy, or perhaps anti-Chinese bias on your part.

It's true, Qs sell really well in China, and then some times people from China visit my city. It's a destination for peoples from all over the world.

Just making an observation about the Leicas I see in use on the streets of my city.

Albeit, can't tell where those of Asian ancestry observed in my city, with Qs, actually come from. But many of the Qs I see are held by Asians. Live with it.

You should be ashamed of having inserted that racist line into my comment. That's called lying. And of course makes you out as a kin of Cliven. You're gonna get remember for that crap.

Jul 18, 2017*permalink

cosinaphile

where is the army of critics trashing leica for daring to update it software and fix bugs

hello......................hears soft cave like echo .... hellllllo?

disclamer : im kidding

Jul 14, 2017permalink