If you're sensitive to gore, you might want to turn your head. Nikon Asia has published a video on its YouTube channel that dives into the brutal depths the company goes to in order to test the ruggedness of its DSLR cameras — specifically the Nikon D850.
In the two-minute video, Nikon ambassadors and workers detail the amount of thought, research and methods that go into practically testing how its cameras will handle tough environments. Although there are plenty of automated tests going on, this particular video, titled 'True Reliability' takes a look at the more hands-on testing.
Specifically, the video shows how Nikon tests its cameras in dusty conditions, wet environments and extreme temperatures, all well beyond what you could reasonably expect from even the most challenging shoots. There's even a few drop tests in there for good measure.
It's not as long or in-depth a look as we would like, but it goes to show how few stones are left unturned when checking for resiliency in Nikon cameras.
great! but well, this is a 3.2K$ high-end Nikon camera and it couldn't be made in any other way at such a price range, could it? while Pentax has always offered mid-range to near-high-end AS WELL AS high-end cameras with similar (if not better!) weather-sealed properties at MUCH LOWER prices! ;-)
wanna see an actual field test of some Pentax cameras under tough 'military' conditions?
too bad using a photocamera as a primary video camera is a sooo stupid idea.
Seriously, get a life, and take a movie cam if you are serious in that job. Really, this argument is sooo childish and lame you should get slapped by your own keyboard when you type such nonsense.
And in the meantime, the video stream of Nikon latest dSLR is far from being crappy. but of course, if you have no clues what is a good video cam, we cannot tell you nothing as you are convinced you are right on everything.
Obviously you are trying very hard to talk like pro. I can understand that. In this case even the crappy Nikon is not suitable for you since you not good in either photos or video.
@ivan1973 Obviously, you are too much smart to be a human. Why don't you tell us how is the life on Mercure ? Which camera is better suited for Uranus ?
Really hope your holy mind will solve the human kind.
Anyway is not just the camera but lens also have to be wr. And under the direct midday summer sun exposure during a long time camera and lens could reach very high temps, i would try to avoid such conditions if possible.
When comparing the D850 to the K1 you have to remember that the K1 has a plastic mirror box so any load from the lens travels through that plastic chassis and into the cameras body. Whereas the D850 has a all metal chassis that take the load from the lens.
Another victim of Pentax advertising, what you cannot see is that behind the front magnesium body ( which plays no role or connects to the lens mount) is that there a plastic mirror box.
Pentax was clever as not to show what is behind the that outer shell https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/973/41547813274_e59ca6df94_b.jpg most of the rigidity of the steel chassis (60 g of steel about what you find I a soup can) comes from it being mounted to the plastic mirror box, simply removing 1 of the screws from the steel chassis you can bend the steel chassis away from the mirror box with a toothpick https://www.flickr.com/photos/isfphotography/41367493125/in/photostream/ the front magnesium panel plays not role in adding support to the plastic mirror box as none of the attaching screws go into the mirror box or the lens mount
On the other hand steel doesn't mean rigid like a stone. Structural rigidity of an object is designed with all attaching points in place. Do you randomly remove screws from your bodies and test the rigidity of them?
There is no overlapping, the outer shell only contact to the lens mount is via a gasket that sits between them on the outer lens mount so really there is no meta to metal contact to the lens mount. The front shell can be removed without unscrewing the lens mount as nothing is held in place by the front shell
As far as Nikon advertising as being fake or misleading they don't say that they even have a steel chassis ( it is advertised as a carbon fiber chassis).
The D800 and the D850 both have metal chassis, the only Pentax cameras that share the same metal chassis is the D645 and the 645Z.
No I don't like removing screws from my camera but I do like to see how things work and was one of the people who fell for the idea that pentax had all metal chassis, when the major load bearing structure of the body is a plastic mirror box
And as for the meaning of what the steel is designed to do, In a camera I would think that the metal chassis would hint at it being there holding components in place, things like lens alignment, AF sensor alignment and sensor alignment. My last interpretation would be that we would need a leaf spring in a camera body
Thee steel may not be in place to provide structural rigidity (e.g. counter the torsion which the body experiences). It's handled by the outer shell. Since it's also handled in the outer shell, it prevents torsion to move through the body parts (cards, mirror box, cables, etc.). Steel may be used as an internal load bearing and fixing structure like a skeleton. You hang the cards, the sensor and other things to it. Nikon may be using carbon fiber instead, but it's both more expensive and more brittle, hence it drives the price up.
BTW, we don't know the material of the mirror box. We know it's only plastic. Plastic can be doped with many things, including glass fibers. Fortified, enhanced plastic like these is extremely durable.
I don't think that a company like Pentax / Ricoh is lying or not knowledgeable about building cameras. They're not a bunch of inexperienced newbie engineers, acting like hippies...
Why is it important if it's plastic or metal, or what kind of plastic, in the first place? Ok, plastic can break, but the likeliness of that happening has to do with a lot more than the material simply being plastic. What load does it support? How think is the plastic? What is the shape of the plastic? Etc.
As long as the selected material can support the camera and the body, it has no importance to me. What I was trying to say was material science is so advanced that, it's generally much more than meets the eye.
So having a plastic mirror box is a moot point IMHO. My D70s is all plastic except the bayonet. So what?
it seems to me the mounting ring is attached to the camera body, so any impact or weight shall not be propagated to the internal plastic mirrorbox. I remember someone posting a thread at pentaxforums falling over his k1 with a telephoto lens on it and the mount was ripped of the body, however the rest of the camera and internals were fine he just needed to fix/screw the mount again... why would you ever want the lens load, or impacts we propagated to the mirror box by physically linking them?
The ring mount is attached directly to the internal plastic mirror box and not to the camera body https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/902/42269036951_f0794fb96b_o.jpg As you can see from this photo with the ring attached to the mirror box you can see that that's the only contact with anything else other than the MB
The material to what the lens mount is not that important to me, how ever their are a great deal of pentaxians out there that feel that pentax using the term steel chassis insures that the internal components are all metal.
But the true is that the bridge between the lens mount and the rest of the body is plastic just like what is found in most cameras found in that price bracket. If you don't believe that the lens mount is attached to the mirror box you can take a look at any of the camera models that have been cut in half and you will see that the metal screw go directly into the plastic mirror box.
OMG, Ian, that explains all the lenses that fell of of the cameras regularly! Or, they don't? And the choice of material is well thought through as a part of a full rigid body construction, considering factors as dampening, rigidity and also breaking points, if something happens. Sounds a lot like FUD what you started to spread lately here, unfortunately...
Not FUD but explaining how different price bracket bodies are built differently. Take the 645d and the 645z as you go up in price bracket cameras are built differently as the both the 645 camera are built with full metal subframe. Any guess as to why pentax would such a thing. The very same with the D850 a body that is in a higher price bracket are built with different expectations. I bet you if you weight both the bottom and back plate ( that are metal) in the D7000 and the D7100 cameras that they would be very close to the same weight as the steel chassis found in the K series cameras. But somehow the pentax is built to a stronger standard than the ones found the Nikon camera, Like I said some people sure fall for marketing ;)
My question to you is if the pentax using the same plastic mirror box as found in the D7000 and D7100 are they anymore resistant to fail than the ones found in Nikon camera? and how does a steel chassis make it any stronger?
Why would pentax ever choose to use a full metal mirror box in a higher price bracket camera like the 645D/Z if there is no reason to do so?
My main point is that the D850 is built with a different price bracket in mind, just like the 645D/Z is built to a different price point of the K1 series cameras. There is no FUD about it unless you are saying that pentax deciding to use a full metal chassis as FUD also .Is pentax's decision also FUD?
What I find as FUD is that my fellow pentaxians love to use the term metal chassis without knowing where this chassis is located and what it is doing. And when told that the lens mount it attached to a plastic mirror box they say its not soo and point to a marketing image. This image in no ways shows a metal mirror box. They would argue to the death if someone didn't not show them an image of a plastic mirror, Just the same as it has played out here and other places. Ian " plastic mirror box" Polacofede" Plastic mirror box? then shows us a great marketing image of what appears as a full metal chassis. People will then argue that no pentax uses a full metal chassis, I then go about showing a PLASITC MIRROR BOX then the argument then changes about how I a spreading FUD. The true FUD is that you seem to think that the K1 is built with a metal chassis just like the one in the D850 when in fact it is not ;) So please tell me what is FUD
Ian, if you want to show that someone might be wrong on the "internet" - welcome, here we are in 2018 digital media. If you have the feeling that you need to argue against a group, that's your own classification and attribution and you seem to have the feeling that you need to oppose that? Well, whatever suits you.
But for me the question is, wheter this construction is more or less rigid than another one, and you also seem to imply that it is less. It's spreding fear that it is less rigid, at least uncertainty and implying disappointment, by stressing this point (over multiple posts)... I am not aware that any significant problems ocuured due to this construction and, on the other hand, most likely there is some reasoning behind this choice, which might have to do with the construction of the new mirror box enabling the swinging mirror technique, maybe due to resonance and decoupling of elements in such a body, I don't know.
But if it's about you being right, no more questions.
Actually its about you and other that like to use the term FUD when and how I described how pentax has chosen to build the camera and market the steel chassis. Let’s see what I have described 1 Pentax uses a plastic mirror box in all but the 645Z/D cameras 2 Pentax cameras use the same plastic mirror box as other camera manufactures use when cameras fall in the same price bracket as other manufactures product line. 3 The steel chassis does not transfer the load of the lens to the rest of the cameras body. 4 The front metal shell of the K7-K1 does not play a role in transferring any load to the steel chassis or support mirror box 5 Nikon with the D850 has chosen to use all metal chassis whereas pentax for the K1 has chosen a plastic and steel chassis You might want to look up the meaning of FUD as nothing of what I have written is incorrect
Pointing out how the construction of the K1 differs to the D850 is not FUD no is not an insult to you, your religion and certainly not the camera you select to hold in your hand. As seen before this is a classic response from a minority located in the pentax fanclub ;) Now if I was to say that there was no difference to the construction of pentaxs limited lenses when compared to many of Nikons cheaper f1.8 lenses I can surely bet you that several pentaxians would bring the construction differences Nikon uses in their lens . The first thing that would come out of your mouth would be the word plastic vs metal
Funny now it is much more important the word metal is to the pentaxian vocabulary ;)
Haha, Ian. If you want to play it that way, feel free. I'm not a good strawman, and I certainly don't take any harm as my Nikon D810 seems sturdy enough, despite the polymer mirror box in it.
As some commented "A second design goal for the D810 was to produce less sensor vibration during exposure, to maximise use of the camera’s 36 megapixels. One measure taken was the fitting of a new lower-vibration shutter. The additional acoustic damping of the polymer mirror box will also have helped."
Anyhow, I still think that a ruggedness competition based on this fact is a preposterous attempt, even if it seems to be a pet issue for some.
@Polacofede Yes I know that he D810 has a plastic mirror box and even more funny it was me who revealed to you the D810 uses a carbon reinforced chassis :)
See how this is news about the D850 what has this to do with the D850?
Never said the D810 had less of a sturdy mirror box but rather the D850 uses a metal mirror box
And just pointing out the false assumption that pentax marketing of a steel chassis gives the pentax camera a all steel subframe camera. nothing more. That assumption that even played out here
There is also the assumption that pentax uses a reinforced carbon fibre polymer mirror box when in fact I have not seen anything to tell me otherwise. I am sure if they did pentax would be the first to advertise the K1 as a camera with a steel chassis and carbon reinforced mirror box as that sounds even better.
"that pentax marketing of a steel chassis gives the pentax camera a all steel subframe camera. nothing more" no, i never thought the camera had an all metal steel subframe that included the mirror box. I just thought that the mount was attached to the steel frame, which you demonstrated is not. The purpose of the article was only due to it showed to me that there are other things in play like accurate mount - mirror box alignment and that might influenced in the decision to attach the mount to the mirror box instead of the metal sub frame. In the end, i really don't care much as long as it works and if nikon, pentax, canon performs that kind of construction must be for a reason.
I make my living with my cameras I shoot in the “elements” in the pacific nw for resource industrial clients mostly. I shoot pentax, k1, k3, 645d. I use other systems when needed (video- cannon,super fast action- Nikon.) but day to day for editorial, documentary & product work it’s pentax. Why? Simple ROI, stack up equipment cost, durability, image quality and functionality Pentax delivers day in day out. I take care of my equipment but don’t baby it, can it be broken? Yep but you really have to work at it. Specifically to the the durability of the lens mount- I’ve fallen on my k1 and broken the 70-200 mount on the lens, camera side bayonet just kept on smiling. Debate construction details all you want me as a commercial user I trust pentax to build quality that puts beans on my table week in and week out.
First thought from this article's thumbnail image, before reading the text: "Yes, a solid dark chocolate Nikon D850 is a fantastic promo. Def. would buy... and eat."
I know it's a tough camera, and good on Nikon for making it so, but it's pretty ironic that they put this stuff in the video, yet if you return it non-working with a hint of internal water (or dust) they will instantly dishonour the warranty, and, in the case of water, probably declare the camera irreparable.
And if they are actually confident it can handle, say, "well beyond 0-40C", then PUT IT ON THE SPEC SHEET.
so... no chance that water or dust gets in due to human error? like due to changing the lens in there conditions? Due to that along if I logically think it though would not offer a warranty that accepts that kind of damage. If it was a fixed lens camera then your argument would hold water. They simply can't check and verify that the owner didn't do something stupid or by accident right?
However, by showing their test process it gives consumers more confidence that water and dust ingress simply by shooting is less likely to occur compared to cameras not designed and tested in this way.
I guess they are aware just how much abuse the camera can handle beyond recommended parameters. If the camera comes in demonstrating damage they can be pretty confident in assuming it was used in a manner which exceeded both acceptable use guidelines and whatever margin they have tested to.
“No your camera did not melt because the air temp reached 41C. We know it tolerates 51C” (or whatever the number may be). “No there are not fish eggs on your mirror because of shoreline spray”. They are not going to condone use right up to the known failure point.
@lawny I'm more concerned that someone would use the camera as per the video and it would actually leak or cook because they did that, then the service centre says "ooh, water ingress (or heat damage), outside of spec, irreparable, junk, no warranty".
Because there's a 99% chance they would do exactly that if it happened.
Yep... sounds like people would place their camera in an oven, or run around in the rain all day with it for the heck of it, or even bury it in the sand...
Sorry, but there are limitations. Sure, they could have not released this to avoif idiots doing idiot things. But releasing this gives the non-idiots more confidence in the weather sealing of this camera.
Just cause I show a video of a plane crash landing the the people in it surviving it doesn't mean that the next guy should go using the plane in that manner, now does it?
My opinion from what I have experienced from 1979, both personally and from professional and amateur friends is that Nikon and Pentax are the top players in this field with Pentax showing a consisting dedication overall. Olympus, Canon and Minolta come next in this order followed by Sony. Lumix show remarkable behavior in their shorter existence as brand compared to the above mentioned manufacturers. Hasselblads scored marginally better than Mamiyas. I have to make clear that my opinion has to do with reliability overall and not only environmental exposure failures and has nothing to do with service and support.
The same is true for Nikon (and Canon and Olympus). This isn't their first rugged body. What sets Pentax apart is perhaps that they have the same level of sealing in their consumer bodies as others reserve for their pro bodies.
.......as well. It is also featured in the entry level Pentax offerings. However, with the Pentax, important functions such as AF........... My 10 year old Nikon D300S is nicely weather sealed. It is not some Pentax exclusive, just their chosen point of marketing emphasis. Pentax does seem decidedly more up front on which lenses incorporate true weather sealing.
I don't think anyone claims this is unique. The video just shows what Nikon does to make rugged camera's. And sometimes it's just nice to see how things are made (and see faces behind product, like the Japanese guys in this video).
It's nice to see a camera manufacturer make their camera built to last. This matters more to most customers than every latest gadget type feature, even though Nikon has great features in their cameras as well.
This is one area where most reviewers do not give adequate coverage. I get that they can't use a camera over time. But notice how in the review by Chris/Jordan they had no problem exposing the D850 in very dusty conditions. That is because they knew they could trust Nikon for that, and it was an impressive showcase of Nikon durability. Kudos to Chris/Jordan.
It's funny because you'd generally never see reviewers do that to a Sony; they'd be afraid it wouldn't hold up.
Most major review sites (definitely DPR) loan the cameras from the manufacturers. I suppose they're expected to return them in good condition. It's different with, say, a blogger like Thom Hogan, who purchases his own cameras for review, and uses them for several weeks or months in the same way and in the same shooting conditions as he would use his regular equipment.
I must say that weather sealing is something I think Nikon, Canon and a few others have got down pretty good. I mean, my D750 has survived being in the desert about 3-4 times now (think sand, dirt, wind storms, etc). It's also been through a few down pours (not out shooting, but got fairly wet on many occassions). Still works great to this day. The only thing I needed done after the desert was a sensor cleaning...
On June 19th, I was caught outside during a torrential Washington D.C. downpour. Since it was 102˚ I was only wearing shorts and a T-shirt. Needless to say, the gear (D850 with 85mm f/1.8G and D810 with 24mm f/1.8G) got absolutely soaked. So soaked, I really don't think dropping them in a lake would have made them much more wet. Within 24hrs the hot shoe on the 810 began to function erratically. After 48hours the 810 was back to normal and has work flawlessly since. The 850 and the lenses have work perfectly all along. Kudos to Nikon!
Notice how many outlets are "out" of this fabulous camera? Did the Nikon executives suffer brain death at the start of this year? Did all their manufacturing facilities lose all electricity for six months? Is no one at the helm of the ship?
There are only very few people who shoot in the elements: They are professional photographers
The rest of us is fine with camera that has just enough seals and gaskets for our daily use with reasonable price. Because when it rains we go in the shade. In dust storm we wouldn't be there, too, because we check weather if we go or not. We do not go to the caldera to shoot lava shooting to the sky. We do not dive with it to shoot corals. We are just plain jane photographers.
But there are casual photographers just wanted to buy a tank of a camera just for the heck of it. So, if we add this and the professionals I wonder how many sales numbers we are looking at.
I love it when people just use their limited knowledge about almost anything and start making assumptions for everyone else. I'm not a pro, but I travel a lot. My D810 was covered with sand when I visited the Slot Canyons in Arizona. The same camera was drenched with water when I was in Iceland due to the extreme windy condition in combination with its magnificent waterfalls. My D810 survived without a hiccup.
I usually will go out for 4-6 hour hikes without a bag to protect my camera even if weather looks like it's going to be miserable.... Although I will end up taking my shirt or sweater off to wrap/protect my camera if it ends up raining heavily as my camera ain't weather sealed.
I'm a stage photographer. At an outdoor rock festival, during a thunderstorm, there was a set where coloured powder was thrown among the crowd, like what you see in Holi festival.
I was using a Nikon D750 and the 24-120 f4 kit lens. After that set I had to literally put my camera under a tap to wash off the powder because a cloth would only smear my lens further, and continue shooting right after. Some of us need the weather sealing.
Better not go nearby any of the beaches on the 100 x 35 mi island I live in, chances are the weather sealing will come in handy... Never mind the rainforest, where you now, it rains daily... In fact just stay home, the interweb needs more cat pictures.
"But there are casual photographers just wanted to buy a tank of a camera just for the heck of it. So, if we add this and the professionals I wonder how many sales numbers we are looking at."
I'm sure there are many hobby photographers who bought the camera for other reasons than the ruggedness, maybe because it's just an all-around great camera? You'd vastly underestimate the sales numbers by only accounting for those who want or need the weather sealing.
I'm not a pro but i need a camera that works in the rain and that can take a hit. A couple of days my 5D was dropped on the floor full of rocks and mud. It continues to work just fine, just has now a few extra scratches on the top of the body, which luckily it's made of titanium.
The D850 is a tough camera, no doubt about it. But when I look at the build quality of my D7100 versus what I had before, a Pentax K-3, the Pentax is build to a higher standard. Things like the battery and SD card doors just feel more solid and are properly sealed with rubber. And entry-level Pentaxes are sealed as well. This is where Pentax shines; you don't get that with Nikon.
@capeminiol Well, I think some of them are under the impression that I can only say negative things about Pentax. And I just want to save them the shock of finding out I can say something positive about them as well.
Oh, one thing I will say is that Pentax lenses have the rubber seal pushing against the mount. I could even hear a difference in SR activation noise (on start-up) between my Pentax 17-70 that had a seal on the mount and the Tamron 28-75 that did not; the sound was more muffled when using the Pentax. I presume this is because of that seal.
Some of my Nikon lenses also have a rubber seal on the back. But that doesn't push against the mount; it goes around it. It actually may not be bad because it probably rubs against the outside of the mount well enough to keep water out. And if so, it keeps the water a bit further away. But the seal itself is definitely better with Pentax.
as a Sony user myself, I got to say that Sony should learn a lot from Nikon.
edit: maybe Sony should stop making small cameras if at the end, they're not going to be as tough as Nikon cameras. We will see if the new Nikon mirrorless is as tough as their DSLR siblings.
That's one of the great things about Pentax, when we had a sample of a new camera and we'd ask about demonstrating the weather sealing, they'd just tell us to do our worst. Hit it with a wave, dunk it in a river, throw it in the shower, etc.
Same here. I put a rubber body cover on it and it gives me a bit more confidence, but I do still get nervous with that vulnerable battery door on the bottom.
Ah, disclaimers. Letting companies make statements about how awesome their stuff is then backing out of any guarantees by placing fine print somewhere under a rock deep in a forest...
Out of 9 items in the ad accompanying this article, 8 are backordered. You really can't blame DPR for focusing on Sony. As usual, it's available gray, and you'll get into an argument with Nikon USA over warranty. But they need to concentrate less on pure photography and more on pure production.
I heard that Sony will begin shipping a tube of caulk with thier new bodies :-). That should help. Perhaps a small fan too when shooting video in the heat.
@ian k1, K1ii, K3, K3ii, K5 Series, K7 all full metal chassis (and weather sealing). The K50 and KP are built on a stainless frame but do have more polycarbonate parts relative to other Pentax models, as you would expect fro the price point. Perhaps a visual example would help you: https://www.pentaxforums.com/reviews/pentax-k-1-review/build-quality.html
I really hope the new Nikon mirrorless has been made just as rugged and weatherproof as the 850. If it has it will be a no-brainer to switch from Sony.
but is it? I mean a lot of these lenses and bodies, especially the more "high-end" they are hold their value. To switch a system wouldn't be THAT hard. I ditched Canon for Sony a few years back.
Well, it's a different world to me! but I guess if you can afford the improvement and they're worthwhile improvements I might too. But I'm also a Fuji user so I've got nowhere to upgrade to so maybe that's why it seems mysterious to me ;-)
Well...if you think about it...it is either risk a 3000USD camera in harsh condition and lose it to the weather or environment...or sell that 3000USD at a loss, get another 3000USD camera and rest assured it is gonna survive longer than that 3000USD that might not survive at all in the first place.
no issue in Australia. in fact, last month there was huge mid year sales with lower price from many retailers. the price here has come down. I went to my usual shop, ask about D850 demand and they say is no longer the case. they finding it taking longer to clear the stock compared to early days. So it looks like the demand and supply has normalised.
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Definitely a case of 'evolution rather than revolution', the new look is designed to help users recognize icons and logos more quickly in the different environments in which they appear
What does two years of progress look like, for Fujifilm's most video-centric models? Is the X-T4 worth the upgrade from the X-H1, or is now the time to bag yourself a bargain?
Adobe has released a new video series titled In a Lightroom Minute that breaks down tips and tricks for Lightroom CC and Lightroom Mobile in 60 seconds (give or take a few).
The Sony ZV-1 is a modified version of Sony's RX100 series aimed at vloggers and video enthusiasts. Does Sony have a winner? Chris and Jordan vlog their way through an episode to find out.
The live event is over, but the full replay is available until June 6 and they're still accepting donations — 100% of which go to Global Giving's Coronavirus Global Relief Fund and other regional charities.
Nikon's financial results don't fall far from the updated forecast shared earlier this month and highlight just how unsure the entire industry is about the future due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Thinking about buying your first film camera? Great news, there's plenty of options out there! Here are 12 things to keep in mind when picking out your perfect analog companion.
The teaser doesn't share much information but based on the visuals provided, it appears to be a mid-range zoom roughly the same size as its 28-75mm F2.8 lens.
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