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Lars Rehm
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I am a former member of Dpreview's Seattle team and now a freelance technology journalist and industry consultant based in Europe. I write most oft the smartphone and mobile imaging content on the site and if you come through Berlin or Madrid there's a chance you'll see out me shooting with one of the latest smartphones. You can follow me on Twitter @larsrehm or have a look at my personal website for more info. |
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landscaper1: If all this store will sell is 'blads, then I have to wonder whether it is simply a PR gambit or if Hasselblad seriously expects it to be a profitable enterprise.
I am sure there will be Hasselblad-branded bottle openers, fridge magnets and other knickknack ;)
keeponkeepingon: "That said, quite a few buyers will probably get the Pictar for its attractive retro-look alone"
Yeah that's a bit optimistic.
Question: Does it work with an iphone in a case? If not then they've elimitated 90% of the iphone totting public.
They say it works with the official Apple case, so I'd assume it works with most "normal" cases that aren't too thick or bulky.
John Driggers: The Kickstarter project for this is filled with complaints about non-delivery of grips to people who funded the project--yet they have satarted selling to the general public. Also lots of complaints about shipping the wrong grip. Lots of reports about iPhones overheating because of the app. Yet DPreview posts a more-or-less favourable report.
Does not bode well for the credibility of DP Review.
well, I can only test the unit that I have received and for me it worked as described in the article. I cannot speak for anyone else.
NowHearThis: The only issue I have with my iPhones' camera is that I can't assign a volume button as the shutter release. That would make it handy in some situations.
Any iPhone I have had uses the volume buttons as shutter by default. Of course that doesn't give you the half-press function you get with the Pictar though.
tkbslc: I can understand using a crop and a higher resolution sensor to offer additional "reach". But why would the engineers then think that we want the cropped image interpolated back to 20MP? Leaving it at a cropped 12MP makes for smaller file sizes, the same amount of real detail, and no worse resolution than the competition. Hopefully there is a software update with the ability to turn off the interpolation.
yes, I thought the same, it would make more sense for both cameras to output 16MP images anyway
The Name is Bond: Far too much unintelligent pixel-peeping going on here. These images need to be normalised and compared like-for-like at equivalent ISOs. This camera has impressive ISO performance for a phone.
"Processing of JPEGs are horrible. Even at ISO 125 clouds in one of the images look like a painting."
It's actually quite good when you compare it, normalised, to an iphone. Iphone's only reach 6MP detail at ISO 25 in very bright light.
In fact it's smashes the iphone and I think it's probably better than a google pixel.
Look at the one portrait. Indoor, ISO1600 and yet just about ok at an ipad friendly horizontal res of 1600 pixels. And good at a more reasonable 1080.
problem is that the Pixel uses ISO 50 in bright light, the OnePLus often goes much higher...you should not compare at same ISO level but at same light level...it's the result that counts, it doesn't matter what ISO the camera uses for that.
noisephotographer: I just looked at the exif data and although the exif data state 4.1mm for both cameras (which must be wrong), the exif data states that the equivalent focal lengths are 24 and 32mm... So just a 1.33x zoom + digital zoom..
I would say that selling a 32mm camera as a tele camera is nearly a crime. ;)
in what exif reader is it saying that? Mine does not show any equivalent focal length....in any case I am not sure I would trust the Exif at this point, there is quite a bit of suspicious data in there.
noisephotographer: By the way it's not good that dpreview accepted to obtain the Oneplus 5 before the announcement. This increases the risk that one gets biased (subconscious). It's very disappointing that so many reviewers accepted this. Reminds me of amazon reviews where often reviewers got a free product in order to review it...
obviously you accept a review unit before announcement, this way the readers get to see the review sooner...what would be the point in rejecting the unit and getting one a couple of weeks later?
mclaren777: DPreview would be wise to release some DNG files for us to play with.
These JPEG files are horrible!
I am working on the full review, I hope we can upload a couple of files then.
The Name is Bond: Far too much unintelligent pixel-peeping going on here. These images need to be normalised and compared like-for-like at equivalent ISOs. This camera has impressive ISO performance for a phone.
"Processing of JPEGs are horrible. Even at ISO 125 clouds in one of the images look like a painting."
It's actually quite good when you compare it, normalised, to an iphone. Iphone's only reach 6MP detail at ISO 25 in very bright light.
In fact it's smashes the iphone and I think it's probably better than a google pixel.
Look at the one portrait. Indoor, ISO1600 and yet just about ok at an ipad friendly horizontal res of 1600 pixels. And good at a more reasonable 1080.
well, I agree that most of the images do look nice at smaller image sizes, let's say typical facebook size but at a pixel level they cannot compare at all with the Google Pixel, whatever way you look at it.
misspiggy01: is there any phone/app around that lets me manually adjust noise reduction and sharpening in jpeg mode? i dont want to shoot raw and post process my phone camera. just sharpening and noise sliders all the way to the left...
well, noise reduction and sharpening are applied after the raw data has been captured by the sensor and is being converted into a JPG file. Once the JPG is "finished" you can't adjust those parameters anymore without deteriorating the IQ. So shooting Raw is your only option if you want control over NR and sharpening.
photog4u: That portrait mode does look impressive.
well, you have to put things into perspective...compared to the equivalent features on other phones it is not bad at all.
zerosum: Anyone please, what's the FOV of the wide and tele lenses here?
I would like to stay positive, but if this the final output of this camera, well then the previous model had a much better IQ and this is miles away from the latest from Samsung, LG or Apple.
Probably, you got a bad sample. I learnt the other day they put almost all the available R&D budget on the new camera module this year, because that was their primary goal- to come up with something competitive IQ wise.
I would have to ROTFL if this is it.
they haven't told us but I'd guess it is 28mm and 56mm equivalent, very similar to iPhone.
panther fan: This seem to be the exact same specs of the oppo R11. (Recently anounced)
Probably a full component block delivered by Sony.
Oppo and OnePlus are owned by the same company, so this makes sense. However, they say that although the components used in the cameras are the same they still have been developed independently, with different software etc...
orion1983: Look at the strange artefacts...for example the trees in picture 1 in the other side of the water.... Very bad in phone image processing!
I'll agree that it's at this point not overwhelming IQ. In theory this was taken with a production model but I'd assume there is a chance OnePlus will make some changes to the camera software before the retail units go out...
orion1983: Look at the strange artefacts...for example the trees in picture 1 in the other side of the water.... Very bad in phone image processing!
it's worth mentioning that this image was taken in pretty low light...
CVNik: by the way where are the location of the garden ? Thanks
Madrid, Spain
noisephotographer: So apparently Apple and Huawei(?) need to learn from Corephotonics.
I have already noticed before that Huawei's algorithm barely improves the noise in comparison with the RGB sensor.
the iPhone 7 Plus is already doing image fusion, it's just not using CorePhototonics technology
Andrewas: Lars Rehm you did 2 last reviews of Huawei Mate 9 and LG G6. What smartphone would you choose for a camera ?
well, it's just like with "real" cameras...they are all pretty good these days once you go over a certain price point...so which one you get mostly depends on what features are important to you and what type of images you like to shoot.
GabrielZ: These new iPads are what I was most interested in seeing at WWDC this year. After a long wait I'm finally getting one. Something that wasn't 100% clear to me though is if all the upgraded features of this new 10.5" model are going to be in the 12.9" version too? Which is actually the one I'm most interested in.
looking at the Apple website it's now the 10.5 and 12.9 models, both with the improvements explained during the keynote. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/