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Lars Rehm
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I am a former member of Dpreview's Seattle team and now a freelance technology journalist and industry consultant based in Europe. I write most oft the smartphone and mobile imaging content on the site and if you come through Berlin or Madrid there's a chance you'll see out me shooting with one of the latest smartphones. You can follow me on Twitter @larsrehm or have a look at my personal website for more info. |
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Mark Banas: Great review, Lars. Looks like a stellar piece of kit, and it overcomes many of the typical limits of 360 cameras (seams, flare, huge dynamic range, shaky video, only 360 output).
Makes me wonder... "oh Ricoh, where are you now?"
Thanks, Mark :) Yeah, it is a great piece of it. I hope to do some further testing over the next few weeks.
TWoodPhoto: Flickr is simply the best photo sharing site out there. There are an endless amount of great photographers of all types, groups for the most common and unusual kinds of photography, multiple ways to see and be seen. The organization and sharing possibilities is the best thought out of any of the photo sharing sites I know of. It's unreasonable to expect everything to be free forever. Hope they can thrive and survive.
they won't survive because many users (including myself) don't want to give money to companies who are blackmailing them. It would be ok to limit uploads or features for free users but you cannot delete existing images, that is totally out of line.
raphaelmatto: I'm very angry about their policy re deleting existing images. I've been a member since... forever, & tens of thousands of my images will be deleted, along with comments from the community, album assignments, tags that I've added to organize stuff by lens, film type, etc. I feel taken advantage of b/c 1) a few years ago they promised free [basically] unlimited storage, and 2) it was impossible to download large numbers of images until recently (batch d/l would fail & was limited to 500, it really was impossible)—so I feel like I had no way to backup or leave the platform. Now I'm responsible for d/l my images, which are dumped into folders with no organizational structure / no metadata containing associated comments/tags/ect, and somehow try to preserve the comments/etc?? Awful, awful way to treat long time users. The ethical thing to do: leave existing images, but restrict further uploads for free accounts.
... tho this is always a risk w/"free" services, so of course it's on me.
Fully agree with everything said in this thread.
brightncheerful: The cost to a business of providing free accounts is met by a combination of paid-for accounts. data value and advertising. It is a risky way of doing businss because there is no telling whether free would catch on or with rising costs how much profit is left over.
Personally, I dislike the thought of something I am paying for being used to subsidise ‘free’. Were it not for the ‘free’ the business could lower the price for paid-for. Or at least generate enough profit to sustain the business model.
Just imagine if Facebook were to ditch ‘free’. That would cause an outcry amongst millions of powerless users.
It's totally ok to not offer a free version or limit it, not allow new uploads for accounts with more than certain number of images etc.... What you can't do is DELETE images that already have been uploaded. You are basically blackmailing those users into paying.
Weissbier: Sure, deleting people's content is a serious step to take and valuable images may be lost in the proces. On the other hand, we may also 'lose' about ten million phone snaps of kids, cats, and canoli. I went Pro a year ago and I'm willing to take my chances.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bokehmaster72/
The problem is that until now you virtually had no image number limit with a free account. To suddenly force people to pay or get images deleted that have been on flickr for a long time (13 years in my case) comes dangerously close to blackmail.
I have been a Pro user for many years btw...
Prognathous: Nightscape? Does this phone come with a tripod thread?
it works handheld...which is the beauty of these new smartphone night-modes. The one on the Huawei P20 Pro is pretty amazing.
rossuk: You could get a cheap $50 android phone and a Ricoh GRII for the price of this which would be a better option.
Sorry to say this, but a $50 Android phone is never a good option :)
Imager of: Why doesn’t someone put a 1 inch sensor in a phone camera and kill all the competition!
too expensive, too slow, most of all the lens will have to be too big...and it's probably not ideal for computational imaging purposes either plus you still don't get any zoom...unless you put an even bigger lens into the phone...it's not going to happen, multiple smaller sensors are the way forward.
Ingo70: For what kind of client will this camera be made? A classic camera fan will be disturbed by the need of a cellphone.
A cellphone-generation client will miss autofocus and the instand gratification of seeing the result directly.
The average photographer will be happy holding this mf-camera in one hand and the cellphone in the other while setting focus with his third hand?
Add a possible very high price to this and maybe an Aps-C sensor which can not use the focal-length 1:1, just tell me how many people will buy that thing?
Next point is if the company does not support the app anymore, you may not be able to take pictures with the next one or two generations of new smartphones.
@D Gold not any more problematic than it used to be on a film camera ;)
Ingo70: For what kind of client will this camera be made? A classic camera fan will be disturbed by the need of a cellphone.
A cellphone-generation client will miss autofocus and the instand gratification of seeing the result directly.
The average photographer will be happy holding this mf-camera in one hand and the cellphone in the other while setting focus with his third hand?
Add a possible very high price to this and maybe an Aps-C sensor which can not use the focal-length 1:1, just tell me how many people will buy that thing?
Next point is if the company does not support the app anymore, you may not be able to take pictures with the next one or two generations of new smartphones.
until we actually see the app we don't know...but you should be able to take picture without your smartphone. You just need the phone to review it while you are out and about. The camera has a USB-connector, so it's fair to assume you can also transfer images to a PC or other devices via cable.
PhozoKozmos: Huawei Mate 20 Pro 16mm (diagonal) FF equivalent FoV @ 20mp
is preferable to Samsung Galaxy A9/A7
12mm (horizontal) FF equivalent FoV @ 8mp ... wish it had 20mp (at least!)
whilst i like 12mm
i prefer it to be rectilinear, w/no barrel distortion (which the A9/A7 has)
hopefully, Huawei 16mm does not have barrel distortion!
plus, wish more android smartphones offer RAW
say, DNG ?!
pretty much every high-end Android these days does Raw, it's built into the OS...so if not available in the default app you can shoot Raw on a third-party app.
panther fan: Edit: Article already fixed
PS: For all that are interested. The module seems to be the same as the P20 Pro meaning that the 80mm tele camera will have a tiny 1/4.4" chip
where does it say F2.8?
kobakokh: very strange description... which focal length have this 4 cameras? Whats mean 2x camera? And which focal length has main camera?
it's not specified in the press material but the main camera will be around 28, the tele probably 52 and the SWA around 12mm.
Mister Joseph: I have an S9+. My problem with it is the "50mm" camera has a significantly inferior sensor than the "main" camera. It's slower, noisier, has worse DR etc.
that is because it has to be smaller than the "main sensor" in order to fit the "tele" lens into the body of the phone...it's the same concept on all phones with a longer secondary lens.
Thematic: "All the detail is still there but the viewer perceives those areas as softer and less sharp."
Apple marketing BS at its finest.
"If your phone is running slow, it is not because of throttling. All the speed is still there, you are just perceiving it wrong."
It's always the customers' fault.
where do you get the idea that Apple is saying this?
User0141875632: I think the most useful focal lengths for this setup are: 14, 28, 85mm
85 is a little too long for smartphones at the moment...I guess it'll be around 14, 28, 52
princecody: Isn’t LG made by Samsung?
no, both Korean companies but not the same :)
falconeyes: We should not forget that Leica Camera AG was a member of former Leica Group, like Leica Microsystems, both in Wetzlar. Very innovative companies, even Leica Camera AG as showcased by the Leica Triple Camera in the Huawei P20 Pro smartphone.
Multi-camera smartphone modules are certainly high on Leica‘s agenda. As it is on Light‘s. Leica M heritage isn‘t all Leica is about ...
I would not assume the P20 Pro camera has been entirely developed by Leica, just because there is a Leica-logo on the device ;)
Lee Jay: I've been arguing for years that the biggest problem with smartphone cameras is lack of focal length range. The bigger players seem to be agreeing - finally - and taking baby steps toward fixing it.
Xenon flash is also a big deal for me, but not as big. LEDs are too weak for daylight fill and too slow to freeze subject motion or hand movements.
Maybe a new phone will come out that will have a camera good enough for me to upgrade my Galaxy S5 + Canon Elph 500HS to a single device. Not yet though.
I'd reckon everyone would have agreed with you on the lack of focal range years ago...the reason manufacturers haven taken so long to tackle the problem is that the technology has only become ready for the mass market very recently...
dave vichich: It's only 999,999,999. I have an account, but I don't post anything there. :D
you probably don't count as an active user then ;)