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geepondy: I'm curious about this pixel binning technology. Do four pixels binned together offer the same light gathering technology of a similar sized single pixel? Given the increase in sensor size, would it have been better just to make a 16 or 20mp native sensor?
yes they do ,the benefit of pixel binning is to improve the signal-to-noise ratio in low light conditions at the expense of spatial resolution. Summation of many charge packets reduces the read noise level and produces an improvement in signal equal to the binning factor 4x and reducing the the noise with half
scotthunter: It’s a shame people don’t use compact cameras anymore. They don’t know what they are missing. I normally use an iPhone 13 Pro for casual photos but last weekend I took some outdoor portraits using my 5 year old Canon G1X Mark III and saved them to the iPhone Camera Roll. The difference in quality is astounding – twice the resolution, better colour rendition, more detail, more dynamic range, and real bokeh from a large sensor – none of this iPhone fakery. It’s so sad that almost everyone opts for convenience over quality nowadays. But when you look back at photos years later you never remember what camera you were carrying at the time, all you have are the photos.
I answer you , if you want a camera/sensor with twice the resolution of 12 Mp iPhone you need a 48 Mp camera/sensor.
scotthunter: It’s a shame people don’t use compact cameras anymore. They don’t know what they are missing. I normally use an iPhone 13 Pro for casual photos but last weekend I took some outdoor portraits using my 5 year old Canon G1X Mark III and saved them to the iPhone Camera Roll. The difference in quality is astounding – twice the resolution, better colour rendition, more detail, more dynamic range, and real bokeh from a large sensor – none of this iPhone fakery. It’s so sad that almost everyone opts for convenience over quality nowadays. But when you look back at photos years later you never remember what camera you were carrying at the time, all you have are the photos.
twice the resolution ? didn't know Canon G1X mark 3 was a 48 Mp camera. Canon mark 3 has twice so many pixels,
Finally, Canon has understood that there are better sensor manufacturers our there than Canon in house , out of sheer pride they have used old lines, old technology. Inferior DR .This time is now over . Kudos Canon and welcomer to 2021 Sony world with the latest cmos tech.
Mikael Risedal: Well well, new Canon has a Sony sensor inside, proof me wrong
Tear down will show us. Renesas-Nikon and Sony or not in the Canon camera. Wait and see
pixel binning, pixel binning
Mikael Risedal: well well, the phone industri shows the way. Think about the pixel pitch on a 23x36 sensor.
look at the S/N , pixel binning
Mikael Risedal: Well well, new Canon has a Sony sensor inside, proof me wrong
Tear down will show if I am wrong or right
Mikael Risedal: Well well, new Canon has a Sony sensor inside, proof me wrong
I may have been away from DpReview for 6 years due to various circumstances but like Canon old Cmos lines with outdated pixel pitch I am looking for evidence that Canon can produces a technology that is reserved for Sony and their research. Please return with answers. Best regards Nikon -Renesas
Canon like Motorola, best and then surpass, Kudos Sony
Mikael Risedal: Well well, new Canon has a Sony sensor inside, proof me wrong
“This is the first time Canon has had to go to Sony for a modern flagship EOS camera, to tap the company’s back-illuminated stacked sensor technology,” the report reads. “It must work out more economical to buy the sensor from Sony than to develop the same thing themselves and license all the patents. Still, a sign of the times.”
Mikael Risedal: Well well, new Canon has a Sony sensor inside, proof me wrong
https://www.diyphotography.net/the-canon-eos-r3-stacked-sensor-is-designed-by-canon-but-probably-not-made-by-them/
Mikael Risedal: Well well, new Canon has a Sony sensor inside, proof me wrong
Please make any proof that Canon can make a stacked sensor (like Sony) with the pixel pitch and read out
Mikael Risedal: Well well, new Canon has a Sony sensor inside, proof me wrong
with stacked sensors ? and Nikon used Sony sensors , except D3 it was a Renesas sensor
Well well, new Canon has a Sony sensor inside, proof me wrong
well well, the phone industri shows the way. Think about the pixel pitch on a 23x36 sensor.
Now you can understand- exposure after the high lights and no clipping and and use curves tool
And like Renesais and Nikon they can could it what ever, the best sensors survives
Ben Herrmann: Oh fantastic - 108 megapixels and I'm betting that higher ISO shots will be pristine without artifacts and noise - sigh....
pixel binning in high iso=low light, low signal
robproctor83: maybe I'm misunderstanding the article, but from what I am seeing the d850 produces better quality photos than the Sony. sure, at 100% the d850 might have stronger noise, but when you resize to match the Sony I really feel like the noise is comparable while the d850 produces much much sharper photos.
No, the sony has a different S/N ratio / pixel not more noise