Glenn Barber
Lives in
Irvine, CA, United States
Works as a
Intellectual Property Management
Has a website at
www.graymatterllc.com
Joined on
Oct 7, 1999
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Glenn Barber: Ive been spending time on weekends collecting all my archives from a half dozen hard disk drives (various interfaces) and different pcs and macs. Collecting everything off old formats was the first challenge. The second was eliminating redundancies and cataloging. My storage solution for now is a Synology data server with redundant drives as well as separate backups. I am investigating pushing data to a lowcost long term storage solution like Amazon S3 . For now this looks to be the best direction as I can make this data available to all members of my family via the Synology Server and there is enough redundancy to cover most situations. This is a mini version of what IT pro's do with their data center operations and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to keep the data long term without a dependency on a specific photo sharing site.
For those who are interested in using a synology
https://www.synology.com/en-global/dsm/feature/photos
Glenn Barber: Ive been spending time on weekends collecting all my archives from a half dozen hard disk drives (various interfaces) and different pcs and macs. Collecting everything off old formats was the first challenge. The second was eliminating redundancies and cataloging. My storage solution for now is a Synology data server with redundant drives as well as separate backups. I am investigating pushing data to a lowcost long term storage solution like Amazon S3 . For now this looks to be the best direction as I can make this data available to all members of my family via the Synology Server and there is enough redundancy to cover most situations. This is a mini version of what IT pro's do with their data center operations and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to keep the data long term without a dependency on a specific photo sharing site.
I might add that my impetus for engaging in the data consolidation on my own private data server was when Google recently lost many years of email directed to my corporate email account (we use Google gmail services). Google support explained that it was an obscure bug that caused the accidental erasure of my email history (as well as it did for others) but after several months they have made no attempt whatsoever to recover my data from any backups they may have. And this is for a paid company account.
When their system looses your data - they seem to have no responsibility for it.
Ive been spending time on weekends collecting all my archives from a half dozen hard disk drives (various interfaces) and different pcs and macs. Collecting everything off old formats was the first challenge. The second was eliminating redundancies and cataloging. My storage solution for now is a Synology data server with redundant drives as well as separate backups. I am investigating pushing data to a lowcost long term storage solution like Amazon S3 . For now this looks to be the best direction as I can make this data available to all members of my family via the Synology Server and there is enough redundancy to cover most situations. This is a mini version of what IT pro's do with their data center operations and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to keep the data long term without a dependency on a specific photo sharing site.
I read "it isn't easy to see the difference" come on....
They dont even look close - the Photoshop version (which I have used) sharpens the noise which really stands out when viewing these side by side images.
A denoise product should allow for selective sharpening or no sharpening at all.
Topaz AI Denoise should be here as the other popular product.
Glenn Barber: It seems to me that Adobe's Denoise is doing some sharpening and detail reconstruction as well as just elimnating random noise. So with the Bird shot - we can appreciate the recovery of detail lost in noise on the birds featers - however the lumpy green background also seems to have had its noise sharpened so that it appears granulated. This might not be distracting when viewed full frame - but if we are cropping in to the bird - the background is unsatisfactory. When using Topaz I often to a first and separate pass to minimize most of the noise, then a second pass with the sharpening where I can choose which parts of the image we want to see detail reconstructed and sharpened.
Good point - in ACR I always turn off the default sharpening and noise reduction and leave that to Topaz.
Glenn Barber: It seems to me that Adobe's Denoise is doing some sharpening and detail reconstruction as well as just elimnating random noise. So with the Bird shot - we can appreciate the recovery of detail lost in noise on the birds featers - however the lumpy green background also seems to have had its noise sharpened so that it appears granulated. This might not be distracting when viewed full frame - but if we are cropping in to the bird - the background is unsatisfactory. When using Topaz I often to a first and separate pass to minimize most of the noise, then a second pass with the sharpening where I can choose which parts of the image we want to see detail reconstructed and sharpened.
Agree - right after general corrections in ACR (without sharpening and noise reduction) usually cleaning up noise with Topaz Deoise is my next step - followed by editing and selective sharpening. I am not sure I prefer a solution that forces you to do Denoise, and Sharpening/detail recovery at the same time unless you have a lot of cotrol over what is done where in the image.
Glenn Barber: It seems to me that Adobe's Denoise is doing some sharpening and detail reconstruction as well as just elimnating random noise. So with the Bird shot - we can appreciate the recovery of detail lost in noise on the birds featers - however the lumpy green background also seems to have had its noise sharpened so that it appears granulated. This might not be distracting when viewed full frame - but if we are cropping in to the bird - the background is unsatisfactory. When using Topaz I often to a first and separate pass to minimize most of the noise, then a second pass with the sharpening where I can choose which parts of the image we want to see detail reconstructed and sharpened.
It would be helpful if Adobe could let you select the regions that you want some degree of detail recovery/sharpening - and in the rest just smooth out the noise,
Valentin G: "That said, while those rival tools are already quite intensive in terms of processor power and rendering time, Adobe Denoise feels decidedly more so."
On my computer with SSD drive and 16GB of RAM that otherwise works perfectly for what I needed it (including Adobe LR and PS), the AI Denoise estimate is 74min per one image. I guess I'm not ready for anything AI.
Ive been using Topaz denoise on a M1 Mac Pro laptop with large images from the Sony A1 and A7R5 and never saw anything take much more than a minute or two.. Perhaps Im not looking at the estimates which could be massively wrong - put it also may be that that processing optimizations in the M1 that are implemented in the Adobe mac version really accellerate this kind of processing.
It seems to me that Adobe's Denoise is doing some sharpening and detail reconstruction as well as just elimnating random noise. So with the Bird shot - we can appreciate the recovery of detail lost in noise on the birds featers - however the lumpy green background also seems to have had its noise sharpened so that it appears granulated. This might not be distracting when viewed full frame - but if we are cropping in to the bird - the background is unsatisfactory. When using Topaz I often to a first and separate pass to minimize most of the noise, then a second pass with the sharpening where I can choose which parts of the image we want to see detail reconstructed and sharpened.
D200_4me: I like the results I'm seeing in my own tests, but I don't like: 1) Needing to create a separate file. 2) That new file is quite a bit larger than the original file, which discourages me from using this. I'll use it when I really, really feel like I need to, but I probably won't use this much because in general, I think the 'noise' issue is hyped too much (most people won't even see it at normal viewing sizes). Who is reviewing your photos at 100% anyway? (unless you're selling for stock or trying to make giant billboards)
The difference between a normal DNG created by ACR from an A1 or A7r5 image and what comes out after the special noise processing is huge - much bigger. Nothing like what comes out of Topaz. While external storage is cheap (slow ones are) - internal storage on a laptop can be limited and not expandable. It appears somewhat like they are doing more than just eliminating noise - but also some forn of sharpening or detail recovery/enhancement - and for some reason this seems to greatly increase the DNG size.
D200_4me: I like the results I'm seeing in my own tests, but I don't like: 1) Needing to create a separate file. 2) That new file is quite a bit larger than the original file, which discourages me from using this. I'll use it when I really, really feel like I need to, but I probably won't use this much because in general, I think the 'noise' issue is hyped too much (most people won't even see it at normal viewing sizes). Who is reviewing your photos at 100% anyway? (unless you're selling for stock or trying to make giant billboards)
Yes - the gigantic size of the output file was really a suprise - and really would limit my use of this feature.
Is there a way we can download all bookmarked threads?
NickRecob: Who owns the DPReview website? I'd like to see the worldwide members BUY IT.
I would think B&H might be interested - they already have most of the resources in place
I can understand that this might not be a money earner for Amazon, its not the first place I go when buying camera equipment, but given all the opportonities for selling camera gear, I am surprised it wouldn't be very profitable for a another party if they worked at keeping the costs down. The fact that its no longert hosted by a competitive camera seller, might make advertising more valuable.
Maybe Phil Askey wants to take it back...
How expensive can it be to just keep the forums live?
Glenn Barber: This was my first of Many Sony cameras - and really loved it. Still have many pictures I saved from it. Also got the updated 707.
Ive been waiting for something like this that snaps to an iPhone with a similar swivel connection - surpised it was never developed.
Yes I remeber that - I may have even bought one and returned it. The DXO wasn't really a multipurpose zoom lens and the physcial connection to the camera was the lightning connector - not very robust.
Was looking for something with good resolution and a zoom lens with a fair amount of reach. Otherwise I'd just use the builtin camera.
This was my first of Many Sony cameras - and really loved it. Still have many pictures I saved from it. Also got the updated 707.
Ive been waiting for something like this that snaps to an iPhone with a similar swivel connection - surpised it was never developed.
I would like to see more content focused on teaching the nuances of video shooting to photographers. I like Jordan's reviews but the content seems to be focused on experienced video shooters and much of the jargon is lost to me.
Glenn Barber: Sony software sometimes seems so well conceived and poorly executed. My A1 footage processed through Catalyst did not come out as well as just selecting stabilization in iMovie.
FlyingDoc - I will definitely give Catalyst another try - the 8Bit issue was another reason I didnt really connsider it. My handheld footage with the 200-600 is territble without stabilization - although with IS off - in-camera it night look even worse. One would think that Catalyst might warn if it sees footage with Active Stabilization used during recording that is being re-stabilized during processing.
Glenn Barber: Sony software sometimes seems so well conceived and poorly executed. My A1 footage processed through Catalyst did not come out as well as just selecting stabilization in iMovie.
FlyinDoc: Very helpfull - shooting 60P at 1/250th or 1/500th - then slowing to 50% for Birds in Flight.
Are you saying that if I turn on Active Steady Shot stabilization in the A1 (as recommended by Sony and others) that the Catalyst processing doesnt work?? Possibly my Issue?
Sony software sometimes seems so well conceived and poorly executed. My A1 footage processed through Catalyst did not come out as well as just selecting stabilization in iMovie.