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On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

As for spare batteries, you really don't need to carry that many. They are small and light. Each Sony battery is only about 40g. You can carry 10 batteries and still be below the weight of a D850. You don't need that many. Just a couple lasts me all day.

The thing about batteries with a Sony A7R II is that it depends on what your day looks like. If you have a heavy day of shooting, you can bring more batteries. If you have a light day of shooting, just bring one spare battery. However, with the D850, regardless of whether you have a heavy day of shooting, or a very light day of shooting, you're always going to have at least 1kg of body + battery weight, and a very large body size. With the A7R II, the size and weight will vary depending on what you want or need. You can go light and compact, or you can go heavier. I think that kind of flexibility is great.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 01:06 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

That's quite a difference. You definitely notice it carrying it around for a bit of time. To put it into perspective, an A7R II with battery (625g) plus an FE 50/1.8 (186g) is still only 811g, which is still 100g lighter than the bare D850 body alone with no battery (the D850 is 1005g with battery). But the other big factor is the sheer size of the D850. A Sony A7R II with a prime lens like the 50/1.8 is very compact, you can practically take it anywhere. That Sony combo takes up as much space as the bare D850 body alone. So if you want a nice, compact, low-profile, low-key FF body, the A7R II is a great option. And if you want to add size and weight, you can always strap on a 12oz can of soda (or a battery grip), lol.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 00:51 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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Iloveaircraftnoise: Why does everyone on here keep harping on about the need for Nikon to go mirrorless ?

Is there something wrong with this camera ? .... I don't care about mirrorless. If I want to experience a Pacman graphics game I don't need an efv,; I can just head down to the local games arcade...

@Azathothh - The difference is like having a smartphone vs having an old "dumb" phone like an old Nokia 3310. EVFs are like smartphones, while OVFs are like Nokia 3310's (very basic, don't do much other than make phone calls). You are like someone who looks at smartphones and says, "Don't need any of those things ;)" because you are probably of an older generation and that is what you are used to. That's fine. It's just that we are entering a new generation of technology, and we have a new generation of photographers who are growing up with smartphone screens and smartphone technology. Their expectations will be different from yours. Heck, even for me who has grown up with SLRs/DSLRs, even I find that going back to an OVF after using an EVF is like going back to primitive technology. It's like going from a smartphone back to a non-smartphone such as a Nokia 3310.

Link | Posted on Sep 27, 2017 at 22:57 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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Iloveaircraftnoise: Why does everyone on here keep harping on about the need for Nikon to go mirrorless ?

Is there something wrong with this camera ? .... I don't care about mirrorless. If I want to experience a Pacman graphics game I don't need an efv,; I can just head down to the local games arcade...

@Azathothh - I use both DSLR and mirrorless. I'm not gazing through the viewfinder to just enjoy the view. I'm using it as a tool compose the image, focus the image, and expose the scene. If I really concentrate on the screen, I see graininess on my OVF screen and I see pixels on my EVF screen. So what? Neither of them offer "infinite resolution." OVFs aren't nearly as good as you make them out to be. Not even close. And they offer very little to me. No histogram, no real-time exposure feedback, no highlight/shadow clipping indicators, no brightness gain in low-light situations, very limited AF point coverage, etc. And if you practice ETTR, having a live histogram in the viewfinder is VERY valuable. Plus, I like setting my EVF to black-and-white mode, which allows me to visualize lines, patterns, shapes, and overall composition more effectively, without distraction from colors. I find this hugely valuable! This has greatly helped with my compositions. OVF can do none of these things.

Link | Posted on Sep 27, 2017 at 21:41 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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Iloveaircraftnoise: Why does everyone on here keep harping on about the need for Nikon to go mirrorless ?

Is there something wrong with this camera ? .... I don't care about mirrorless. If I want to experience a Pacman graphics game I don't need an efv,; I can just head down to the local games arcade...

@Azathothh- "4 - Lol wut?"

You don't seem to understand how an OVF works. You seem to think that you're looking straight through the lens, with nothing in between. That's not true at all. You're actually looking through a grainy, rough, cloudy piece of inxpensive plastic, called a focusing screen.

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1tUgjPXXXXXXgXpXXq6xXFXXX7/FREE-SHIPPING-NEW-Original-Focusing-Screen-of-Viewfinder-for-Nikon-D750-Camera-Repair-parts.jpg

http://www.focusingscreen.com/work/picture/5d2/008.jpg

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1p2BLOVXXXXb8XVXXq6xXFXXX4/NEW-Original-Frosted-Glass-Focusing-Screen-For-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-II-5DII-5D2-Digital-Camera.jpg

These pieces of frosted plastic definitely do not offer anything close to infinite resolution. Far from it! The reality is that a high resolution EVF can offer better resolution. Have you ever awed at the amazing clarity of a UHD TV screen that looks sharper than reality? That's what EVFs have the potential of offering.

Link | Posted on Sep 27, 2017 at 21:06 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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Iloveaircraftnoise: Why does everyone on here keep harping on about the need for Nikon to go mirrorless ?

Is there something wrong with this camera ? .... I don't care about mirrorless. If I want to experience a Pacman graphics game I don't need an efv,; I can just head down to the local games arcade...

@Azathothh - None of your reasons give you the WYSIWYG advantages that EVF gives you. An EVF gives you a very close approximation of what you will get when you press the shutter button. Frankly, I think that's a more valuable function of a viewfinder. Yes, if I look at the scene without looking through the viewfinder, I can see the actual colors, contrast, and brightness of the scene. But when I look through the viewfinder, I want to see what the sensor is seeing. When I turn the exposure comp dial, I want to see what effect that has on the scene, in real time. I want to see where highlights or shadows might encounter clipping. I want to see a live histogram in the viewfinder. An OVF can do none of these things. An EVF is a far more functional and informative tool than an OVF because of all the feedback it gives you.

Link | Posted on Sep 27, 2017 at 20:57 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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Iloveaircraftnoise: Why does everyone on here keep harping on about the need for Nikon to go mirrorless ?

Is there something wrong with this camera ? .... I don't care about mirrorless. If I want to experience a Pacman graphics game I don't need an efv,; I can just head down to the local games arcade...

LOL, film shooters used to say the same non-sense about digital photography! "If I want to experience a photo made out of pixels, I'd play a video game", blah, blah, blah. Comments like that were foolish non-sense then, and your comment is foolish non-sense now.

Link | Posted on Sep 27, 2017 at 05:17 UTC
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HansN46: Ok, with this masterpiece the era of the DSLR finally ended, well done Nikon! You put a 'period' behind it.
You now can swap to seriously developpe a DSLM (mirrorless). Nobody will blame you for that anymore. If there's people that still wants to remain old style they can take this D850 as this will be the "the only DSLR you'll ever need".
But you, Nikon, can go forward at last....., and serve your customers with class leading DSLM bodies. Please, it's 2017, time to go lighter and smaller.

@NOWHITELENS- You're forgetting that we have other options now. They are called "other cameras", namely mirrorless cameras. Why give up a hobby when you can just opt for a different camera? That's the beauty of choice. That's the beauty of now having mirrorless cameras as an option. It's not a one-size-fits-all world. Back before we had mirrorless cameras, your only option was a big, heavy DSLR like the D850. Now we have other options.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#718,624,ha,f

I think it's great for photography that we have options other than DSLRs. For those who love size and weight, get a DSLR! But for those who still love photography, but don't love carrying around excess size and weight, and want something with a lower profile, we have cameras like the A7R II.

Link | Posted on Sep 27, 2017 at 01:18 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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vFunct: Haha poor Sony and mirrorless users.. what will they do now? They will have to throw away their camera and get a REAL camera like this D850.

I'd rather have an A9. 20fps bursts, silent shooting, zero black-out, in-body image stabilization, full-frame AF point coverage.

Link | Posted on Sep 26, 2017 at 23:54 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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HansN46: Ok, with this masterpiece the era of the DSLR finally ended, well done Nikon! You put a 'period' behind it.
You now can swap to seriously developpe a DSLM (mirrorless). Nobody will blame you for that anymore. If there's people that still wants to remain old style they can take this D850 as this will be the "the only DSLR you'll ever need".
But you, Nikon, can go forward at last....., and serve your customers with class leading DSLM bodies. Please, it's 2017, time to go lighter and smaller.

@Mike Oo - I used to carry a laptop that weighed 9 lbs, not including its huge and heavy power adapter. Now I carry a Macbook Pro that weighs 4 lbs. No one ever said to me, "Why are you so wimpy? Time to hit the gym if you can't carry a laptop." It's not that I can't carry a 9 lb laptop, or a 1 kg DSLR. It's that I, and many others, don't find the need to lug around such bulky, heavy gear. It's just needless, excess bulk for many of us.

Link | Posted on Sep 26, 2017 at 23:46 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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T3: "The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need"...if you still want to lug around a huge 1-kilogram camera.

We're at an inflection point in camera history, where we have the old guard who thinks that big DSLRs are really the only way to go, and the only path for serious ILC photography, versus the new generation of cameras that can do everything that DSLRs can, but with newer, less bulky technology. Yes, there are "millions of DSLR users", but obviously prior to the maturation of mirrorless technology, there really was no other option outside of DSLR. Now, as we move forward, we have the rise of mirrorless cameras that are coming into their own. I think we'll look back at the Sony A9 as a milestone camera that really helped usher in a new era of mirrorless camera performance that not only goes toe to toe with DSLRs, but outperforms DSLRs. Of course, any change from the status quo is always going to be met with tremendous resistance, skepticism, and even anger. But that has always happened throughout history, so it's nothing new.

Link | Posted on Sep 26, 2017 at 23:25 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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rmbackus: Does nobody notice, that this is a very expensive camera ?
How many times did you buy a 5k camera ?

@Carey Rose - But when your title is "The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need", it implies that the "you" is anyone and everyone who is in the market for a DSLR. It's obviously very assumptive, assuming that price is not an issue for anyone. I'm just pointing out that price is a factor for your readers. I realize that when you get things for free, you might forget that! LOL

Link | Posted on Sep 26, 2017 at 21:45 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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rmbackus: Does nobody notice, that this is a very expensive camera ?
How many times did you buy a 5k camera ?

Yeah, it's funny how dprevew totally ignores the price of the camera. But then again, dpreview is a marketing site designed to sell products for Amazon. So price is probably the last thing they want to talk about.

Link | Posted on Sep 26, 2017 at 20:59 UTC
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T3: "The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need"...if you still want to lug around a huge 1-kilogram camera.

@NexLupus - You're forgetting one thing. You can get much smaller with an A7RII. We don't always use big fast zooms on our bodies all the time. An A7R II (625g) with an FE 50/1.8 (186g) combined (811g) weighs less than a D850 body alone (1005g) and takes up the same amount of space in your bag as a D850 body alone. The ability to shed weight, lighten up, and get down to a smaller size is something that you can do with the A7R II, whereas the D850 is always going to be a 1 kilogram monster, even with no lens attached. The current generation of photogs still seems to be in love with carrying big, heavy, chunky camera bodies, because that's all they've ever known. But the future generation of photogs, growing up with more options and more accustomed to tech that allows them to travel lighter, will feel differently. A lot of us once went around with big, heavy laptops in laptop bags. Now we travel with lightweight, thin ultrabooks, tablets, or just our smartphones as our computing devices.

Link | Posted on Sep 26, 2017 at 20:47 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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T3: "The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need"...if you still want to lug around a huge 1-kilogram camera.

"We photographers will keep our dSLRs."

You're forgetting mirrorless cameras. In a few years, there are going to be a lot more mirrorless shooters and fewer DSLR shooters. The D850 is a great camera, but it's a bit of a dinosaur (in size). The new generation of photographers will have smaller, lighter options that deliver all the same performance. It's like laptops. No one wants to lug around big, heavy laptops anymore.

Link | Posted on Sep 26, 2017 at 18:29 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)
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T3: "The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need"...if you still want to lug around a huge 1-kilogram camera.

It's all a matter of priorities. You can have the best camera in the world, but it's no good if it's sitting at home. I like smaller, lighter cameras because I am more likely to carry them with me on a regular basis. But everything is about having the ultimate in IQ, or AF, or battery life. All of these things may look good on paper, but you have to ask yourself how much of an impact this makes in your real life usage. For me, size and weight are something that has far greater practical impact in my day to day usage. That's why I use mirrorless cameras now. I still get all the shots I want, at the quality I want, in a much smaller package that I carry with me far more than I ever did when I was using DSLRs. I don't miss carrying larger, heavier DSLRs at all.

Link | Posted on Sep 26, 2017 at 18:26 UTC
On article The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need (1100 comments in total)

"The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need"...if you still want to lug around a huge 1-kilogram camera.

Link | Posted on Sep 26, 2017 at 18:11 UTC as 155th comment | 21 replies
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HRC2016: After about three uses it would collect dust. Fisheye shots may be "fun" and "interesting" but like drone shots they are a novelty.

@Tommi K1- "And if someone doesn't get it, if you are saturated by the same things, it becomes boring and not creativity."

The same can be said about any kind of photography.

Link | Posted on Sep 25, 2017 at 17:01 UTC
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HRC2016: After about three uses it would collect dust. Fisheye shots may be "fun" and "interesting" but like drone shots they are a novelty.

@Tommi K1 - You can say that about any type of photography. Macro photography....Booooooooriiiing. Street photography.... Booooooooriiiing. Landscape photography.... Booooooooriiiing. You sound like a bored, emo teenager. Just because *you* may think that a particular type of photography is boring doesn't mean that everyone else does.

Link | Posted on Sep 24, 2017 at 13:33 UTC
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HRC2016: After about three uses it would collect dust. Fisheye shots may be "fun" and "interesting" but like drone shots they are a novelty.

Drone shots are a novelty? Are you kidding? Aerial shots are a thing of beauty, and I never get tired of them. We see everything from ground level every day. Drone shots allow us to get off the ground.

Link | Posted on Sep 24, 2017 at 05:32 UTC
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