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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

@Daniel Lee Taylor - Great lens, weak body. I have the EOS M and A5000. IQ on them are similar. But the A5000 has better AF, panorama stitching, a MUCH better grip, a built-in flash that you could tilt up, a tilt LCD screen, Wifi, NFC, and a much larger selection of lenses. The EOS M has probably the worst grip (if you can even call it that) of any camera I've held. It is *literally* a hard plastic bar. It would have actually been better if they simply left the front of the camera plain and flush, or added some rubber covering.

Great cameras aren't just given away like that.

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 22:57 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

@Daniel Lee Taylor - "Show me another package at the time that offered that level of IQ at that size and weight for that price (M+22mm f/2 for $300)."

The EOS M with 22mm, as a kit, was $799.99. It only dropped down to $300 because no one was buying the EOS M. And one of the reasons why no one was buying it is because it wasn't a great camera. The 22mm was definitely a nice lens, but the camera wasn't so great. That's why it went on fire sale and you were able to pick it up for so cheap. Good cameras aren't practically given away like that.

As for Amazon, if you want to ignore their sales, so be it. It's just a form of denial. But for many consumers and product sellers, Amazon is the 800lb gorilla that shouldn't be ignored.

https://www.inc.com/tom-popomaronis/amazon-just-eclipsed-records-selling-over-600-items-per-second.html

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 22:42 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

I find it astounding that people actually don't think Amazon sales are significant. When Steve Bezos launched Amazon, he aimed to be the biggest online seller of books in the world. People dismissed him. But his strategy was so successful, he's shut down a lot of brick-and-mortar bookstores. Now he's aiming to be the biggest online seller of cameras in the world. He may have already achieved that goal. If he hasn't already, I certainly don't think anyone should underestimate him. Amazon sales certainly do make up a big chunk of camera sales. If you don't believe me, just go talk to any brick-and-mortar camera store and ask them.

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 21:28 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

@Daniel Lee Taylor - Feel free to check those rankings hourly, daily, weekly, monthly if you like. It tells you a lot about what is selling well.

As for market share values, those don't tell you specifically which models are selling well. For example, Canon/Nikon sell a ton of low-end ILCs. This inflates their "market share" numbers. But their other more expensive models are not doing nearly as well. So it doesn't tell you what share of the mid- or upper-range market that a particular company may have. For example, Canon currently only has one FF DSLR in the top 100 at Amazon: the 6D. Their latest FF DSLR, the 6D II, isn't even in the top 100. However, Sony currently has three FF ILC packages in the top 100: the 7AIII body, A7III kit, and A7RIII (introduced same time as 6DII). However, thanks to Canon selling of Rebel T6's (the #1 best selling ILC on Amazon), Canon has high "market share" in ILC's. But if you took away those bargain DSLRs, their "market share" numbers would plummet.

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 21:17 UTC
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J A C S: Wait, I have been told that ML cameras cannot have AF issues...

@J A C S - Separate PDAF does not see the light "well before" in position either. The light travels the same distance to the sensor as it does to the separate PDAF module. The problem is that if those distances are off, even just by a tiny bit, that causes focus calibration issues (front focus or back focus).

"In PDAF off the sensor, the light is split away from the sensor."

That's another issue with a separate PDAF module: it only sees a fraction of the light. On-sensor AF receives all of the light, so theoretically this will allow on-sensor AF to be superior in low light.

"BTW, I have a dSLR with a better on-sensor PDAF than yours, just saying."

And how long has SLR AF been worked on? A lot longer than on-sensor AF. But on-sensor AF will eventually surpass SLR AF. For example, the Sony A9 already beats the Nikon D5 in low light AF (jump to 20:00 into this video below):

https://youtu.be/KX1sfy__7A4

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 21:03 UTC
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J A C S: Wait, I have been told that ML cameras cannot have AF issues...

@J A C S - "Actually, getting the phase difference well before the rays hit the sensor makes even more sense."

That statement makes no sense at all. The rays of light travel the same distance to the PDAF as they do to the image sensor. And having rays hit a PDAF module "well before" they hit the image sensor doesn't work so well for moving subjects because subject distance can change during that gap in time.

Direct on-sensor AF is ultimately better. You are arguing for old technology for the sake of old technology. It's like old computer kiosks, before the age of touchscreens, that used track balls to navigate around the screen:
http://www.metal-keyboard.com/test/metal-keyboard.com/photo/pl11599520-remark.jpg
You're basically arguing for the separate track ball instead of direct touch (touchscreen). Eventually, separate PDAF modules will go the way of the separate track ball.

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 16:21 UTC
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J A C S: Wait, I have been told that ML cameras cannot have AF issues...

@PhozoKozmos - Your "lag" argument is a non-starter because it has no practical negative impact in the real world. You're really splitting hairs. It's like arguing that one camera is better than another camera because it has shutter lag that is a couple milliseconds shorter than another camera (yes, people used to have this argument). No one's reaction time is fast enough for these teeny tiny "lags" to make a real difference in real world shooting. Humans are not superhuman. Your argument is rather pointless. I'd rather have blazing fast frame rate, zero viewfinder blackout, focus points that cover the entire viewfinder, and intelligent AF that uses the image sensor to "see" the scene and use object recognition to track my subject. That will have far greater practical value in the real world than arguments over "VF lag".

Case in point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eQH_praFbk

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 16:12 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

I can only tell you that Amazon is no small potato. They are massive. These days, it's the first place that people turn to when they want to buy *anything*. That includes cameras. Amazon is a powerhouse in camera sales. And they are only growing. That has been their strategy-- to be a powerhouse in camera sales. That's why they bought DPReview! That's why they hired Chris and Jordan away from Camera Store TV! If you want to ignore Amazon sales, go right ahead. But it's just a form of denial.

Amazon put a lot of bookstores out of business. Amazon has also put a lot of camera stores out of business. What does that tell you? People have turned to Amazon to buy their books and cameras...and a lot more. Sure, go ahead and dismiss Amazon sales as "rubbish." A lot of stores that are out of business now can tell you it's not rubbish.

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 15:00 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

"Myself and several other posters here have told you much the same... but you just keep repeating the same rubbish over and over, again and again..."

You guys only think it's "rubbish" because it brings to bear facts that you don't want to accept. Amazon is one of the world's biggest sellers of cameras, if not *the* biggest, and they are selling a ton of Sony mirrorless cameras. Can you name any retailer that sells more cameras than Amazon? Do you really think the local brick-and-mortar camera store sells more cameras than Amazon? Do you know of any other camera retailer that owns a camera gear website as popular as DPReview? I find it astounding that people want to just ignore sales at Amazon, as if Amazon were some mom-and-pop store, lol. If a book sells well at Amazon, it's a *significant* data point. Publishers pay attention to Amazon sales! Likewise, if a camera sells well at Amazon, it's a *significant* data point. And yet, denialists like you call Amazon sales "rubbish". LOL.

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 14:54 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

@cbphoto123 - "heavily waited to whichever camera was most recently released."

I assume you meant "weighted". There is no weighting. It's just a ranking based on raw sales data. And your point is bogus because the camera at the #2 position in the mirrorless sales rankings is the Sony A6000 which was introduced in February 2014! Ouch, nice try.

To say that Amazon sales rankings mean nothing is naive. Amazon is massive. They have over 100 million Amazon Prime members worldwide. That's more members than Costco.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/amazon-prime-has-more-members-than-costco-bezos-discloses-2018-04-18

Plus, there are millions of people who buy from Amazon who are not Prime members. Needless to say, Amazon's reach is massive. They sell a LOT of cameras. It is no coincidence that they own DPReview! So to ignore Amazon sales is simply foolish. They are the 800lb gorilla in the room when it comes to camera sales.

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 14:43 UTC
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J A C S: Wait, I have been told that ML cameras cannot have AF issues...

@J A C S - "The two AF systems are different in so many ways"

But obviously, having the focus sensor at the point of focus (the image sensor) makes a lot more sense and eliminates any "middle man" contraptions. Those contraptions were obviously necessary due to the limitations of technology in a past era that didn't allow you to put focus sensors where they should be: at the focal plane/point of focus. However, technology can now do that. The focal plane, denoted on most cameras by a little mark on the camera body:

http://files.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/film-plane-mark-on-DSLR.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tjHpVMrsDeg/UoynJpZzuvI/AAAAAAAAIc4/zmzMtUyCdUc/s400/focal-plane-mark-on-the-camera-body.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tUuXD2v33gY/UoynyrfCs3I/AAAAAAAAIdI/EGdYa0_l8IU/s1600/Focal-plane-mark.jpg

...is exactly where the focus sensors should be, no where else. On-sensor AF does that. It's the better way.

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 14:33 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

@cbphoto123 - Please cite the sources of your facts. Yes, Canon certainly outsells Sony in DSLR by huge margins. But that's not the case with mirrorless.

Looking at Amazon's mirrorless sales rankings, we see that Canon definitely trails behind Sony:

https://ibb.co/fSsmcd

https://ibb.co/gnTL3J

Of the top ten best selling mirrorless cameras rankings at Amazon, eight of them are Sony! The Fuji X-T20 is #6, and the Canon EOS M50 is #9. Amazon mirrorless camera sales are overwhelmingly dominated by Sony.

Here's the rest of the list:

https://ibb.co/gpa3qy

https://ibb.co/bOKrcd

Nikon isn't even on the radar. It's a total shut-out for Nikon.

As for overall interchangeable lens camera sales (both mirrorless and DSLR), the Sony A7III is still the 3rd best selling ILC model on Amazon, bested only by the cheapo Canon Rebel T6 and Nikon D3400. The A7III outsells all other Canon and Nikon DSLRs on Amazon.

I just wonder how much longer you will keep your head in the sand.

Link | Posted on Jun 1, 2018 at 14:22 UTC
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J A C S: Wait, I have been told that ML cameras cannot have AF issues...

@PhozoKozmos - If EVF/OVF hybrid DSLR ever happens, it will likely be expensive to implement. That will doom such hybrids. One reason why camera makers will convert to MILC is that they use a fraction of the parts/components, and therefore are less expensive to produce. This will be important as camera sales volume shrinks.

https://goo.gl/18rBoZ

"This is rather amazing. The completely disassembled Sony A7R consists of about a dozen major pieces, held together with 29 screws of just three different sizes. A typical DSLR has around 120 screws of 11 different sizes. You might not care less about that, but do you know what I thought about? How much easier it will be to fix this camera when it breaks. How much simpler it must be to perform all the calibration that must be done during assembly. And how much simpler it must be to assemble the A7R in the first place. In other words, how much cheaper it must be to make this camera, than to make a DSLR."

Link | Posted on May 31, 2018 at 22:38 UTC
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J A C S: Wait, I have been told that ML cameras cannot have AF issues...

In the future, reflex mirrors, submirrors, and PDAF modules will all be a thing of the past.

Link | Posted on May 31, 2018 at 19:47 UTC
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J A C S: Wait, I have been told that ML cameras cannot have AF issues...

@J A C S - Faith-based? No. The reality is that mirrorless cameras can never have PDAF-module misalignment or calibration issues because mirrorless cameras *don't* have separate PDAF module systems. Mirrorless cameras don't have all this other stuff going on below the main mirror of a DSLR:

http://cdn.audiencemedia.com/var/photoreview/storage/images/media/images/2_af_focusingopticsconfiguration_eng/2333567-1-eng-GB/2_af_focusingopticsconfiguration_eng_web640.jpg

This AF subsystem adds cost, complexity, and the potential for mis-alignment/miscalibration.

Link | Posted on May 31, 2018 at 18:53 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

@cbphoto123 - Just stating the facts, man. Had Canon or Nikon gotten on the APS-C/FF mirrorless game a lot earlier and with more seriousness, then they too could have been "better." Likewise, in the early days of AF SLRs, had Nikon gone with newer AF lens technology like Canon had with EOS, they would have been "better" back then too. But Nikon didn't do it; Canon did. So back then, a lot of people (such as myself) considered Canon "better", which is why Canon EOS became so dominant in AF SLRs.

It just goes to show that no one is "always better." Things change. Technology changes. The market changes.

Link | Posted on May 31, 2018 at 18:36 UTC
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J A C S: Wait, I have been told that ML cameras cannot have AF issues...

Mirrorless cameras don't have back-focus/front-focus issues due to PDAF misalignment or mis-calibration like DSLRs do. Those issues are due to the fact that DSLRs have PDAF modules located in an entirely different place from the image sensor/point of lens focus, and they rely on a series of submirrors and components that require precise positioning to work properly. That's obviously not the case with mirrorless cameras. However, there can always be communication issues between the lens and the camera, especially if you are talking about third-party lenses, whether it be with mirrorless or DSLR cameras. In other words, there's always stuff that can go wrong, but there's *more* that can go wrong with DSLRs since DSLRs also have DPAF alignment/calibration to deal with.

Link | Posted on May 31, 2018 at 18:30 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

@cbphoto123 - No, I don't currently own Nikon. My last Nikon was a Nikon FE. I switched to Canon EOS when I went to AF SLRs. I don't use Samsung anymore either because they got out of the camera business. Great system, though! As for Oly, I still have it but I find m4/3 format a bit too small for my taste. I still own Fuji and I love Fuji, but they don't have FF. So that leaves Sony, which not only has a great mirrorless system and top-notch technology, but they also have APS-C + FF. Canon has a paltry APS-C mirrorless system. Nikon has neither APS-C nor FF mirrorless. It's all pretty logical, really. Sony is the only one that has a fairly mature mirrorless system that encompasses both APS-C + FF. Can you say that about Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Samsung, or Fuji? No. That's just a fact. And if you are someone who wants a fairly mature mirrorless system that encompasses both APS-C + FF, then yes Sony is "better."

As you can see, I'm not married to any one brand like some people here.

Link | Posted on May 31, 2018 at 18:10 UTC
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Aleks7: yeah sure... I lost my faith after I enthusiastically bought a7 back then.
It was my worst camera experience ever.

I have a first-gen EOS M. It's not "junk". The reality is that very, very few cameras are "junk." But it wasn't that great either. If your criteria for a camera is that it has no "fatal flaws", and therefore that makes it not "bad at all", then your bar is pretty low, and just about any camera will satisfy you. I wasn't satisfied with it, so I ended up getting a Sony A5000, which is basically Sony's counterpart to the EOS M. That's a much better camera with better features (built-in flash, articulating LCD, multi-shot panorama stitching, more comfortable to hold since it actually has a grip, and it had better AF). I also really like the Sony 16-50 pancake zoom, which is a great, fun compact zoom lens to have for day-to-day shooting. Was the EOS M junk? No. But it wasn't that great either.

Link | Posted on May 31, 2018 at 15:14 UTC
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Canadianguy: To be fair – most camera manufacturers don’t do give 2 day press junkets for every camera they launch anymore. Who else flies the youtubers and big website people across the continent for a 2 day all expense trip for the announcement for almost all of their A7 launches. I mean just look at the latest Sony Kando Trip 2.0 – free trip with set-up photo ops all around for all the big social media players and this wasn’t even a product launch!

I am seeing other manufacturers starting to follow Sony but not to the level that Sony marketing is pumping money into these press events. They are basically buying coverage by doing these free events with models, balloon / helicopter rides / exotic locations, plus all the toys one could ever want to try out etc. Of course, they are going to write about Sony when they get home.

I think this is what a company does when they are really serious about becoming #1. They make the investment, not only in the product but also the marketing. You need both. Look at Apple and their keynotes. Would they have been as successful if it hadn't been for Steve Job's keynotes that launched his iconic products?

Link | Posted on May 31, 2018 at 00:28 UTC
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