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On article Video: first look at the Leica CL (106 comments in total)
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Retzius: So they finally made an A6300. Thats great Leica...

Retzius, do you say that every time a new DSLR comes out? DSLRs all look quite similar too.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 22:22 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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Mescalamba: Thats pretty.. fugly.

@Mescalamba - Ok, you are only emphasizing how close-minded you are. If there's anything I know from the internet, it's that it's really hard to truly judge how a product truly looks and feels until you see and touch it in person. I'm sure that is the case with this CL. As for the old CL, a lot of people thought that looked like a "fugly abomination of a camera" too, hahahaha!

I think this CL looks great. I would love to own one, if I had the funds.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 22:09 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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tedolf: Tell me why I am buying this over a PEN F?

tedolph

Why does anyone buy one camera over another? Because they want to.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 21:59 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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Tom Caldwell: Panasonic Lens? Nobody noticed the GM5 elephant in the room?

So you think that any two products that might mildly look similar must be the same product? Have you looked at smartphones, and laptops recently? Various manufacturers are all copying one another. But it doesn't mean they are the same product or coming from the same company.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 21:52 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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Mescalamba: Thats pretty.. fugly.

@Mescalamba - LOL, wow you really are quite close-minded.

Yes, Leica M is iconic the same way a Porsche 911 is. You act as if Leica have discontinued the Leica M! They haven't. They still offer the Leica M, just like Porsche still offers the 911. But Leica are doing the smart thing by expanding their range of products, just like Porsche has done with their line of cars. That's smart business. Porsche now offers more affordable options such as the Boxster/Cayman, which now sell almost as well as the 911, and has greatly expanded their customer pool. The same can be said of their Macan and Cayenne.

http://flatsixes.com/porsche-news/porsche-cars-north-america-sales-by-model-july-2017/

Smart businesses know that it's not a one-size-fits-all world. That's why companies offer a range of products at a range of price points and in a range of form factors or designs. That's true of Porsche, and it's true of Leica.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 21:44 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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spidermoon: While aps-c ? Why nowday, with all the modern tech Leica can’t make a FF like the original film cl ? There is room for a FF sensor.

Leica obviously wanted a more "affordable" Leica mirrorless camera in their range of products. APS-C does that for them. If the CL were FF, it would be a lot more expensive. Besides, not EVERYONE wants FF.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 21:34 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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Mateus1: Too big, overpriced and ugly (it's a joke to name it CL).

Leicas have NEVER been "cost effective". But buying a Leica isn't about being "cost effective." If you want the biggest bang for your buck, you should not even consider Leica.

As for this CL being "ugly", the original CL wasn't much of a looker either. It had a weird ASA wheel on the front.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Leica_CL_avec_Summicron-C.JPG/1200px-Leica_CL_avec_Summicron-C.JPG

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 21:31 UTC
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Old Cameras: This thing only looks vaguely like a Leica, more like a caricature of a real Leica. Basically it has the soap bar shape with rounded ends, to the great detriment of good ergonomics. The whole thing just looks unimpressive and sad. Leica's are so stratospherically expensive and rarified that no one will even recognize it, nullifying it's cache. A Fuji would look far more purposeful and impressive, and perform better as well, at a fraction of the cost. So what's the point of this overpriced nonsense?

@ZeBebito - Every camera has its pros and cons. And I don't think people who buy Leicas are buying them based on price. For people who are buying something like an SL, money is not an issue. They want it because it's a Leica. They want and appreciate the experience of shooting with a Leica. It's not about money for them.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 18:55 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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chadley_chad: The Apple of the camera world! If you buy Leica these days you’re nothing more than a camera snob, an idiot or you have too much money!

@Aaron801 - "but it is possible that if I had one in my hands I'd fall in love with the way that it works so much that I'd be coveting one."

That's a good point. I agree. I feel the same way about my Fuji X-E1. Its specs are not the greatest, and are a bit outdated now, but I just love it. It's a different experience shooting with it compared to my other cameras. I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way if I ever had this Leica in my hands.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 18:52 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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Mescalamba: Thats pretty.. fugly.

@Mescalamba - Sounds like you're just very close-minded.

"Its a bit like Porsche is mostly 911."

Again, you're showing your lack of perspective, or at the very least, your ill-informed perspective. No, Porsche is not "mostly 911". Well over half of all Porsche models sold now are SUVs.

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2015/3/17/Porsche-Is-Winning-Because-The-911-Is-NOT-Its-Best-Selling-Model-7725969/

"Although Porsche is best known for its iconic sports cars, the company's two best-selling models are, in fact, the Cayenne and Macan crossover SUVs...The two SUVs accounted for 68% of the company's worldwide sales last year."

--- http://www.businessinsider.com/porsche-suv-sales-game-2016-3

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/349370

Someone like you would probably say, "It's a bad mix." But the reality is that it's this "mix" of products (whether you are Leica or Porsche) that allows for good business. Narrow-mindedness is bad business. If Porsche were only just 911, they'd be dead.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 18:39 UTC
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Old Cameras: This thing only looks vaguely like a Leica, more like a caricature of a real Leica. Basically it has the soap bar shape with rounded ends, to the great detriment of good ergonomics. The whole thing just looks unimpressive and sad. Leica's are so stratospherically expensive and rarified that no one will even recognize it, nullifying it's cache. A Fuji would look far more purposeful and impressive, and perform better as well, at a fraction of the cost. So what's the point of this overpriced nonsense?

@HowaboutRAW

"Why would a digital M need a flip screen?"

I was saying that jokingly. My point is that Leicas have never been about the latest specs and features.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 18:29 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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chadley_chad: The Apple of the camera world! If you buy Leica these days you’re nothing more than a camera snob, an idiot or you have too much money!

"you have too much money!"

Yeah, that sounds like a terrible problem. I'll take it!

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 17:59 UTC
On article Video: first look at the Leica CL (106 comments in total)

If I had the cash, I'd get one. It's a beauty, in the Leica old-but-new way. I like that it has more of a classic, understated profile than the TL.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 17:57 UTC as 20th comment
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Old Cameras: This thing only looks vaguely like a Leica, more like a caricature of a real Leica. Basically it has the soap bar shape with rounded ends, to the great detriment of good ergonomics. The whole thing just looks unimpressive and sad. Leica's are so stratospherically expensive and rarified that no one will even recognize it, nullifying it's cache. A Fuji would look far more purposeful and impressive, and perform better as well, at a fraction of the cost. So what's the point of this overpriced nonsense?

@AbrasiveReducer - "It's just that the classic M camera was so well thought out it was in production from 1954 until, well, they still make them...These new cameras are like laptops. You can use them for more than 2-3 years but "innovation" leaves you with an antique."

Hahaha, I find that so funny. There are plenty of people who would argue that Leica M's have poor ergonomic design. And have you ever tried to change the film on a Leica M film body, or change the battery/memory card on a Leica M digital body? It's not "well thought out" at all! You have to unscrew and remove the bottom plate of the camera! And your comment about "innovation leaves you with an antique" is hilarious because you are choosing to apply it to the CL, but not the M!

No, the reality is that people buy Leicas not for their cutting edge innovation or perfect design, but rather for the Leica charm, and the Leica brand. And that includes "antiques" like the Leica M (no IBIS, no articulating LCD, no 4K!), lol.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 17:52 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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Woodyz: $2800 for an APS-C body without IBIS.

@Woodyz - You're missing the point. There are a lot of people in the world for whom $2800 is chump change. And they aren't going to be hung up by minutiae like USB charging, hahaha. You're thinking like a Walmart shopper, trying to do value shopping by ticking off features to get bang for your buck. People buying the Leica CL will do so because it looks retro-cool, and because it's a Leica, and then they'll plop it into their $10,000 Hermes handbag.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 17:43 UTC
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NickyB66: Nice camera, looks like Leica are paying homage to my Fuji X-Pro2 in ways of design. Should be a good seller.

@tkbslc - There are obviously some limitation to the OVF in the Fuji X-Pro2. And the reality is that with many people in the current and future generations of users, they aren't going to care about the "classic OVF experience." It's like saying that the current generation of music listeners are missing out on the classic vinyl record listening experience. Yes, it's an "experience", but the overwhelming majority of people have moved on to digital. Likewise, as we move forward, the same will eventually happen with OVF-- most users will have moved on to digital viewfinders. If you want that "classic OVF experience", just get a Leica M. But everywhere else in Leica's product line, Leica is moving towards where everyone else is steadily moving: to EVF cameras.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 17:34 UTC
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NickyB66: Nice camera, looks like Leica are paying homage to my Fuji X-Pro2 in ways of design. Should be a good seller.

@ZeBebito - I never said that this CL is paying "homage" to the original CL. I was just pointing out that Leica has been making cameras with this old-school "retro" look back when the old-school "retro" look as actually "current" and "new", hahaha! And in actuality, this new CL takes design cues from various Leicas of the past. It even harkens back to one of the earliest Leica's, the Leica 1 Model A:

https://www.shutterbug.com/content/leica-i-camera-change-photography

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/leica-1-model-a-camera-ca-1932-ernst-leitz-elmar-lens-f-3-5-news-photo/534969083?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect#leica-1-model-a-camera-ca-1932-ernst-leitz-elmar-lens-f-35-50-mm-picture-id534969083

This CL is actually paying some homage to the earliest Leica cameras. But sadly, the farthest some people can think back to is the Fuji X-Pro2.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 17:27 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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mahonj: What are they thinking with the silver lens on the black body.
It looks awful.
The black on black looks fine, but the silver on black just looks wrong.

Some people have short memories and no sense of history. Leica has been doing silver lenses on black bodies for a long, long, long time.

https://i1.wp.com/leicaphilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Leica-IIIg-LPfoto-10.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/leicaphilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Leica-IIIg-LPfoto-1.jpg

The Leica 1 Model A was introduced in 1925, with a silver lens on a black body:
https://www.shutterbug.com/content/leica-i-camera-change-photography

Sadly, people just don't have any knowledge or perspective of history anymore. I see this Leica CL as paying homage to these old Leicas from the past. "What are they thinking with the silver lens on the black body?" They were probably thinking of their history of cameras...decades and decades of history.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 17:17 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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Woodyz: $2800 for an APS-C body without IBIS.

It's a Leica. Different brands have different pricing models. People who buy Leicas aren't after pure value and bang-for-your-buck. Most of the people who will buy a Leica are the kind of people who just paid $19,000 for a first-class airline seat.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/travel/new-york-to-dubai-for-19000.html

Leica caters to this market. They aren't going after your average Walmart shopper.

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 17:09 UTC
On article The Leica CL is (almost) what the TL should have been (421 comments in total)
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Mescalamba: Thats pretty.. fugly.

Have you seen what Leicas have looked like in the past? This is very much in keeping with the Leica look. It's a mix of old and new design cues. And "fugly" is certainly what some might have called Leicas in the past. But I think that's how Leica likes it. It gives Leica a certain character.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/35/40/a0354028796452c7f201ec2c13662bed.jpg

The CL seems to take some design cues from earliest Leicas, like the Leica 1:

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/leica-1-model-a-camera-ca-1932-ernst-leitz-elmar-lens-f-3-5-news-photo/534969083?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect#leica-1-model-a-camera-ca-1932-ernst-leitz-elmar-lens-f-35-50-mm-picture-id534969083

Link | Posted on Nov 21, 2017 at 16:58 UTC
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