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IR1234: Improved stability? And how much does this camera cost exactly? Are they really pitching this at professionals?

@IR1234 - What "issues at football matches"? The fact that sideline LED lights projecting light onto players might show up as lines in the final image? That's a very rare and difficult issue to not only foresee, but to even reproduce, as conditions need to be just right. That's not really the fault of Sony. You're just being hysterical and blowing things out of proportion. The reality is that unforeseen issues do arise. Take, for example, aircraft. They are some of the most stringently tested products in the world. They take many years and billions of dollars to develop. The Airbus A350 cost $13 billion to develop and took 15 years, and was VERY rigorously tested. And yet Airbus issued the following firmware for it:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/24/a350_patch_mmel_fuel_tank_explosion_risk/

To expect complex products to be totally flawless from day one of introduction is not always realistic. That's why people say, "Don't buy a product soon after it's released! Wait a while!"

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 23:17 UTC
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T3: "The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need"...if you still want to lug around a huge 1-kilogram camera.

@Goodmeme - I don't see the point of comparing the cost of film SLR with digital SLR. What we ought to compare is FF DSLR with FF mirrorless, where both have FF sensors and supporting electronics. A DSLR has all of the same sensor costs of a mirrorless body, *plus* all the other components that a DSLR requires (separate PDAF module, separate metering module, separate viewfinder info display system, reflex mirror, submirror for the PDAF system, reflex mirror motor drive, focusing screens, mounting hardware, power systems and wiring for all of these separate components etc.).

https://www.pentaxforums.com/content/uploads/files/77/p617/120917_72j_abcxh450t.jpg

Or conversely, you can say that a mirrorless camera is like a DSLR but with all of these components stripped out and with a slimmer body.

http://www.pieraldi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/highres-Sony-Alpha-7R-Construction-5-Custom_1381939934.jpg

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 20:52 UTC
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IR1234: Improved stability? And how much does this camera cost exactly? Are they really pitching this at professionals?

@armandino - "Welcome to the modern world of technology."

That is absolutely correct. I bet Boeing and Airbus even release firmware updates on their systems that run in their airliners that are already in service!

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 17:59 UTC
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T3: "The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need"...if you still want to lug around a huge 1-kilogram camera.

@xiao_xiang - Lost what? This whole DSLR/mirrorless transition will play out for many more years to come. Canon and Nikon will eventually introduce their own FF mirrorless bodies. Sony will continue expanding and maturing their FF mirrorless system. And there's a whole new generation of photogs that haven't even come into play yet. Change is inevitable. Right now, many of you might think a 1kg or 1.4kg camera to be a wonderful thing. But think of all the big, heavy devices we used to use and carry. I remember the first videocameras I used to use. Huge by today's standards. I remember the laptops I used to use a few years ago. Huge and heavy! All of these things seemed quite normal back then. But looking back now, it's a different perspective. Likewise, I think the same will happen with DSLRs. Many can't see it now, but in 5-10 years you'll have a different perspective. You'll be able to tell your grandkids, "Grandpa's camera used to be THIS BIG, and my camera bag weighed 20lbs!":)

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 16:28 UTC
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IR1234: Improved stability? And how much does this camera cost exactly? Are they really pitching this at professionals?

@IR1234 - I think it's excellent that companies now can bring improvements to existing products through firmware updates. I want to see it in all kinds of products. If a car manufacturer can improve the fuel efficiency of their cars through a firmware update, I want it! If a smartphone manufacturer can improve the power consumption of their smartphone through a firmware update, I want it! If there's a firmware improvement that can be made to my coffee maker, I'll take it! Any fix, big or small, that can improve an existing product, and that can be applied with a firmware update is certainly welcomed by me.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 15:51 UTC
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IR1234: Improved stability? And how much does this camera cost exactly? Are they really pitching this at professionals?

@IR1234 - Every product has its weaknesses. But in the past, those weaknesses were just left alone. I am a Canon DSLR user who suffered through back focus issues. Oh, how I wish I could have had a firmware update to handle that issue! But instead, we had to wait for newer models that allowed firmware-based micro-adjust! Yep, if you want an added improvement, you had to buy a totally new camera! And you think that's better than getting a free firmware update?!?!?! Oh, and how *terrible* that Sony might have found a way to improve the image quality of an existing camera with a tweak of their firmware-- and offered it as a free firmware update! I wish all manufacturers would do that!

Geez, look at what you're complaining about! It's ridiculous. Most companies just ignore any flaw or weakness of their existing products. Most companies don't care to explore any possible improvements of their existing products because then they get people like you thinking that it's a bad thing, lol!

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 15:46 UTC
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IR1234: Improved stability? And how much does this camera cost exactly? Are they really pitching this at professionals?

It's actually an asset and a benefit to professionals that the tools and products they invest in are continually improved upon by the manufacturer even after the product is released and bought. It's like Tesla and their cars. Tesla sends out over-the-air firmware updates that improve the performance of their cars! That's awesome. Sometimes, these updates are a result of user feedback. Sometimes, it's a result of continued R&D. Sometimes, it's it fix a flaw that slipped through the cracks because today's products are so enormously complex that not everything can be caught by the time a product is released. But the point is that it's an asset and a benefit that a product you already own is still being improved upon, and you are receiving those improvements without having to buy a new product.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 15:34 UTC
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BEKippe: Adding novel features is one thing, but I hate the "ship now patch later" mentality. I'd rather it take a bit longer to release but work correctly from the start. Its bad enough with games, software, and general consumer electronics. I don't want to have to update tools for them to work properly.

@BEKippe - Things "work properly". That's why they get released! It's because they've reached a state where they work properly. But the reality is that many of today's products are so complex, with so many layers and so many features, doing so many things, that not every little weakness can be found before things are shipped. Furthermore, it's not always an issue of things not working properly, but rather that they have an opportunity to make something perform a little better. I *love* the fact that companies are now understanding that a product isn't necessarily locked down and never improved upon once it is shipped. Companies could easily just say, "Well, you're going to have to wait for our next model to see any improvements, because that's how we make our money."

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 15:25 UTC
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T3: "The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need"...if you still want to lug around a huge 1-kilogram camera.

@Goodmeme - "Or perhaps the newer folks have never looked through the viewfinder of a flagship Canikon body to know what they're missing."

Most likely, they never will look through the viewfinder of a flagship Canikon body. Besides, let's not forget the the quality of a high-performance EVF, which are excellent, and can be made as big and bright as any premium OVF. Also, I don't see the price of flagship DSLRs dropping any time soon, if ever. Those flagship bodies are inherently a lot more expensive to make compared to mirrorless bodies. That's why a Sony A9 is $4500, while a Canon 1DX is $6000 and a Nikon D5 is $6500. Fewer parts, less mechanical complexity, lower material costs, lower manufacturing costs mean Sony can sell their flagship at a much lower price.

You also have to remember that a new generation of photographers is growing up looking at feature-rich digital screens. It'll be natural for them to expect the same when looking through a viewfinder.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 07:01 UTC
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T3: "The Nikon D850 could be the only DSLR you’ll ever need"...if you still want to lug around a huge 1-kilogram camera.

@keeponkeepingon - "Yeah that's why every pro at any event I've seen (live and on the tellie) uses DSLRs. Has nothing to do with pro features/capabilities. Right.........."

So up until recently, what other alternative did they have? Rangefinder cameras? LOL. Yes, they bought them for the pro features/capabilites. But now, a new generation of mirrorless camera are offering the same or better features/capabilities. Consider the Sony A9, for example: 24mp at 20 fps, with 693 AF points covering 93% of a FF image sensor, zero mirror blackout, capable of totally silent shooting, superb low-light AF, in-body stabilization, etc. And this is for a 1st generation sports body! My point is that-- up until recently-- nothing like this has existed, and therefore pros naturally went with the only thing that did exist: DSLRs. But 5 or 10 years from now, the distribution of DSLRs vs mirrorless is likely going to be quite different amongst pros. And even more so when Canon/Nikon go mirrorless as well.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 06:45 UTC
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

@GrapeJam - LOL, the 6D is not a pro body comparable to the 5D series. 6D AF system, with a measly 11 AF points in the center of the frame, compared to a 5D IV with 61 AF points? Specs do matter. And if you can get better specs, while still reducing weight, that's even more attractive. Consider that the Sony A9 does 20fps, with zero viewfinder blackout, can shoot silently, has IBIS, and has 693 AF points that cover 93% of the frame, all in a body that is a lot smaller and lighter than the gargantuan and heavy D5 (1405g):

http://camerasize.com/compact/#713,649,ha,f

Like I said, a new generation of photographers now has more choice. The older generation of photographers had no other choices other than big, heavy DSLRs.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 04:16 UTC
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

@GrapeJam - Don't worry, Grapejam. For people like you who love big, heavy cameras, DSLRs will still be around. But you just have to understand that people now have more options, and they can pick what they feel comfortable with. I just think that more and more future photographers will opt for the lighter, less bulky newer technology. I've been a DSLR shooter since my first DSLR, the Canon 10D. But now I shoot mirrorless, and I don't miss the size and weight of DSLR one bit.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 03:54 UTC
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

@GrapeJam - That's Leica's own design decision. But as you can see, mirrorless camera designers have a lot of design flexibility. Also, the SL isn't the best indicator for weight because it's machined from billet and wasn't aiming for light weight:

https://www.ephotozine.com/articles/leica-sl--typ-601--hands-on-review-28314/images/highres-Leica-SL-Typ601-Body-1_1445415932.jpg

But any other camera designer, including Canon and Nikon, could make a similarly slim body out of their magnesium alloy process that would result in a noticeable weight reduction compared to their DSLRs made of the same materials. Less material = less weight.

http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/leica_sl_hands_on_63.jpg

Fewer internal components also mean less weight, as well as less costly manufacturing and assembly.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 03:49 UTC
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

@GrapeJam - I think you ought to learn proper holding technique. And lens/body combo can be "balanced" if you know how to position your left hand, supporting the weight of the lens.

http://assets.hardwarezone.com/img/2014/11/canon7dmkii_test.jpg

https://andrewrslaton.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/mg_6179f.jpg?w=800&h=533

http://sofreakingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sigma-Ultra-Telephoto-Zoom-Lens-1-0626-600x400.jpg

http://www.astrophoto.at/equipment/EF500/ef500.jpg

It really comes down to proper handholding. I used to use a Canon 100-400L IS with a lightweight, all-plastic Rebel DSLR with no problems, thanks to proper handholding technique, specifically supporting the heavy lens with my left hand. And just for kicks, I even mounted my EOS M on my 100-400L IS. It was a bit hilarious, but with proper support of your lens, you only need a light touch on the camera. No death grip needed!

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 03:43 UTC
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

@GrapeJam - Grip designs will continue to evolve with mirrorless cameras. But you can still have a big, beefy grip and still have the weight and size reductions that mirrorless bodies offer. There's nothing that precludes a mirrorless body from having a bigger grip. For example, take a look at the Leica SL, which has a slim mirrorless body, but still have a big grip and plenty of surface real estate:

http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/leica_sl_hands_on_60.jpg

http://www.canonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wpid-leica_sl_hands_on_56.jpg

The reality is that without that huge mirror box in the middle of the camera, camera designers have a lot more flexibility with future camera designs to meet anybody's needs.

http://www.photographyblog.com/uploads/newsGallery/leica_sl_vs_sony_a7r_ii_side_by_side_comparison/leica_sl_hands_on_43.jpg

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 03:37 UTC
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

@dash2k8 - Notice pro shooters at sports meets all use monopods to support the weight of their gear.

https://goo.gl/MSpGHh

https://goo.gl/HNtVog

https://goo.gl/8WjM46

That's great if you're just going to be mostly stationary, and a monopod is allowed, and it's practical to use. But for a lot of other photographers who are more mobile and do have to carry their gear-- unsupported by a monopod-- for long periods of time, we'd like to cut weight wherever we can.

You also have to remember that until very recently, sports photographers really had no other choice but to use big, heavy cameras. But what about future sports photogs who now have mirrorless bodies like the 20fps Sony A9 as an option? If you're carrying this much gear:
https://petapixel.com/2017/05/11/photographer-bill-frakes-used-35-cameras-shoot-kentucky-derby/

...being able to cut down on the weight and size of 30 to 40 camera bodies that you are transporting can make quite an impact.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 03:26 UTC
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

As for spare batteries, you really don't need to carry that many. They are small and light. Each Sony battery is only about 40g. You can carry 10 batteries and still be below the weight of a D850. You don't need that many. Just a couple lasts me all day.

The thing about batteries with a Sony A7R II is that it depends on what your day looks like. If you have a heavy day of shooting, you can bring more batteries. If you have a light day of shooting, just bring one spare battery. However, with the D850, regardless of whether you have a heavy day of shooting, or a very light day of shooting, you're always going to have at least 1kg of body + battery weight, and a very large body size. With the A7R II, the size and weight will vary depending on what you want or need. You can go light and compact, or you can go heavier. I think that kind of flexibility is great.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 01:06 UTC
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Soggoth: Funny how mirrorless fans whining about weight. Sounds like A7RII weights nothing while D850 made entirely out of cast lead :)

Just some reality check: A7RII weights 20.53oz (582g), D850 - 32.3oz (915g). Less than 12 oz difference - weight of the can of soda. Now add the weight of spare batteries that you want to carry for Sony ;)

Don't get me wrong - yes, it is still noticeable difference, but not nearly as dramatic as some might believe.

That's quite a difference. You definitely notice it carrying it around for a bit of time. To put it into perspective, an A7R II with battery (625g) plus an FE 50/1.8 (186g) is still only 811g, which is still 100g lighter than the bare D850 body alone with no battery (the D850 is 1005g with battery). But the other big factor is the sheer size of the D850. A Sony A7R II with a prime lens like the 50/1.8 is very compact, you can practically take it anywhere. That Sony combo takes up as much space as the bare D850 body alone. So if you want a nice, compact, low-profile, low-key FF body, the A7R II is a great option. And if you want to add size and weight, you can always strap on a 12oz can of soda (or a battery grip), lol.

Link | Posted on Sep 28, 2017 at 00:51 UTC
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Iloveaircraftnoise: Why does everyone on here keep harping on about the need for Nikon to go mirrorless ?

Is there something wrong with this camera ? .... I don't care about mirrorless. If I want to experience a Pacman graphics game I don't need an efv,; I can just head down to the local games arcade...

@Azathothh - The difference is like having a smartphone vs having an old "dumb" phone like an old Nokia 3310. EVFs are like smartphones, while OVFs are like Nokia 3310's (very basic, don't do much other than make phone calls). You are like someone who looks at smartphones and says, "Don't need any of those things ;)" because you are probably of an older generation and that is what you are used to. That's fine. It's just that we are entering a new generation of technology, and we have a new generation of photographers who are growing up with smartphone screens and smartphone technology. Their expectations will be different from yours. Heck, even for me who has grown up with SLRs/DSLRs, even I find that going back to an OVF after using an EVF is like going back to primitive technology. It's like going from a smartphone back to a non-smartphone such as a Nokia 3310.

Link | Posted on Sep 27, 2017 at 22:57 UTC
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Iloveaircraftnoise: Why does everyone on here keep harping on about the need for Nikon to go mirrorless ?

Is there something wrong with this camera ? .... I don't care about mirrorless. If I want to experience a Pacman graphics game I don't need an efv,; I can just head down to the local games arcade...

@Azathothh - I use both DSLR and mirrorless. I'm not gazing through the viewfinder to just enjoy the view. I'm using it as a tool compose the image, focus the image, and expose the scene. If I really concentrate on the screen, I see graininess on my OVF screen and I see pixels on my EVF screen. So what? Neither of them offer "infinite resolution." OVFs aren't nearly as good as you make them out to be. Not even close. And they offer very little to me. No histogram, no real-time exposure feedback, no highlight/shadow clipping indicators, no brightness gain in low-light situations, very limited AF point coverage, etc. And if you practice ETTR, having a live histogram in the viewfinder is VERY valuable. Plus, I like setting my EVF to black-and-white mode, which allows me to visualize lines, patterns, shapes, and overall composition more effectively, without distraction from colors. I find this hugely valuable! This has greatly helped with my compositions. OVF can do none of these things.

Link | Posted on Sep 27, 2017 at 21:41 UTC
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