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On article CES 2017: Hands-on with Nikon D5600 (321 comments in total)
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Slouch Hooligan: Every announcement of a new DSLR triggers responses from the mirrorless acolytes. Mirrorless does have advantages in camera body size which pleases those with tiny hands. These same mirrorless acolytes consistently fail to mention that lens size is a function of sensor size, which sharply mitigates any advantage of mirrorless. Not to mention the battery life brevity for mirrorless.
One may like apples without disparaging oranges.

@Stanchung- "I need a lot of buttons on my camera to access stuff quickly and smaller digital is not going to be very good at doing that."

Geez, you're making things sound a lot more complicated they really are. I use mirrorless and DSLR. I don't find it any harder to "access stuff quickly" on a mirrorless camera than on a DSLR! It may be different, but I don't find it to be any less quick. Seriously, you seem to think that aperture settings, ISO settings, or shutter speed settings are buried deep inside a menu! It's not! All key functions are readily accessible on mirrorless cameras. So your claim that "smaller digital is not going to be very good at...accessing stuff quickly" is just wrong.

As for "missing a shot while changing a battery", in theory that may well be true. But in practice, I've yet to encounter that problem. Again, I think you're blowing things out of proportion. As a long time DSLR user, I've been happily using mirrorless for a few years now.

Link | Posted on Jan 17, 2017 at 00:17 UTC
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Patcheye: XT-2 looks very similar to my old Asahi Pentax K1000 - which is still used occasionally - wonder whether this one will still be usable in 30 - 40 years time?

The only limitation with digital cameras is battery power. Other than that, there's no reason why they can't outlast film SLRs. For one thing, digital cameras have far fewer moving parts. In fact, they have barely any moving parts, especially with mirrorless cameras that don't even move flipping mechanical mirrors. With mechanical film cameras like the Pentax K1000, you had a very large number of moving parts that could wear out and break.

My last film SLR died when the film door latch broke, after so many film changes-- which was a lot, since I had to do it every 36 shots! But the main reason why so many film SLRs have been able to survive as long as they did was because of the cost of film, and the 36-shot capacity of each film roll. These factors basically kept most film SLRs to a fairly low shot count (low mileage) -- nothing close to how many shots the average digital shooter does today.

Link | Posted on Jan 12, 2017 at 05:31 UTC
On article CES 2017: Hands-on with Nikon D5600 (321 comments in total)
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Slouch Hooligan: Every announcement of a new DSLR triggers responses from the mirrorless acolytes. Mirrorless does have advantages in camera body size which pleases those with tiny hands. These same mirrorless acolytes consistently fail to mention that lens size is a function of sensor size, which sharply mitigates any advantage of mirrorless. Not to mention the battery life brevity for mirrorless.
One may like apples without disparaging oranges.

@Stanchung - "Have you guys ever shot an Indian wedding in Mauritius? 3 days and nights of nearly non stop action with no available powerpoint in sight at the location to charge your batteries?"

Hahaha, I remember film shooters used to say the same thing when arguing against digital photography. "Ever hike the Himalayas with no place to charge a battery? I can go months of shooting with my film SLR! You can't do that with a DSLR!" People also used the same battery argument when arguing against smartphones. "Smartphone batteries only last a day! My flip phone can last a week or more on a single charge!" The "battery issue" didn't prevent these products from eventually taking over the market. And it's not going to prevent mirrorless cameras from doing the same either.

DSLRs will never go away. But ultimately the smaller form factor and technology that mirrorless cameras offer will become the norm. I've been a lifelong SLR/DSLR user, but these days I mainly use mirrorless.

Link | Posted on Jan 12, 2017 at 05:19 UTC

While everyone waits with baited breath for Kodachrome to return from the dead, I recommend everyone go out any support the existing films that are currently in the market. They need your support too.

Link | Posted on Jan 11, 2017 at 00:07 UTC as 78th comment
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rrccad: Meh, I'm sorry.. making a camera look and have the haptics of an old camera is cool .. if you want to relive the past. Analog controls in these days of setting banks? meh.

I guess it looks cool.. but I can go and get an old film camera, and it will look just as "cool" too.

*sits back and waits for incoming flames*

@rrccad - it's not a one-size-fits-all world. Some people like to drive automatics, while others like to drive manual transmissions. Do people who drive automatics argue with the people who drive manuals about how they can change gears without moving their legs and arms? No, they just leave it be. People have different preferences. And a lot of people who have a manual transmission car also drive automatics, too. Sometimes it's nice to switch back and forth.

Link | Posted on Jan 7, 2017 at 16:34 UTC
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arhmatic: You need to put passion and beauty into everything you do.

"pro" "tools" included. I always get shut down when criticizing Canikon's bubbly design. I will maintain my point, regardless...

@kreislauf - Canon used to have a little more variety in their body styling. Back in the film days, I had a Canon Elan IIe which had "classic camera" styling cues such as a squared silver top plate, knobs, and dials, sort of like today's Nikon Df.

Canon Elan IIe:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/My_Canon_Elan_IIe_(4659431483).jpg

I really loved that Elan IIe. Such a beautiful body. I loved the styling, and the knobs were very functional.

A little variety in a product line isn't such a bad thing. Nikon, after all, offers the aforementioned Df body.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 22:44 UTC
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Craig from Nevada: Basic black works for me.

Cameras need not be like Model T Fords. (Henry Ford famously said, about the Model T, “A customer can have a car painted any color he wants as long as it’s black.”)

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 22:37 UTC
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a voice of reason: i hate hipsters , but id like to thanks them for their role in the wonderful development

thanks , guy in porkpie hat , girl in 60s era sundress and scarf , your affectations are slightly less annoying to me now

Geez, this is bigotry at its core: I don't like how someone looks, therefore I hate them, and I will assume bad things about all of them. Nice. Like I said, people who hate in such a manner always think they are totally justified, righteous, and enlightened for doing so. Whether it happens on a small scale, or a large scale, it's all bad.

There's no rationalizing with the irrational. And there's always going to be people who find great comfort in hating another group of people. Sometimes it just empowers their false sense of superiority.

I'm a middle-aged man. But I appreciate diversity in the world. I don't want or expect everyone to be like me, talk like me, dress like me, act like me, listen to the same music as me, etc. I appreciate differences and diversity. Others obviously don't feel the same way! Haters are always going to hate.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 22:28 UTC
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rrccad: Meh, I'm sorry.. making a camera look and have the haptics of an old camera is cool .. if you want to relive the past. Analog controls in these days of setting banks? meh.

I guess it looks cool.. but I can go and get an old film camera, and it will look just as "cool" too.

*sits back and waits for incoming flames*

Nothing wrong with having variety in the market. You might like a digital watch, while another person might like a mechanical watch. Some people like to drive automatics, while others like driving manual transmissions.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 22:16 UTC
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OlyPent: Unfortunately, the days of real finishes (nickel, satin chrome) are gone along with brass top and bottom plates (unless you are Leica). So, now it's metallic paint which (based on my two Olympus cameras) isn't highly durable, but at LEAST it's a change from the stodgy black cameras Americans seem unable to part with.

@AbrasiveReducer - well, considering the exorbitant price of Leicas, some people have to chuckle that people would drop that kind of money on a manual camera. Buying a Leica camera is more like buying jewelry. And for the price, you should expect it to have a nice paint job. You really do have to take cost into consideration. The paint on a Rolls Royce is going to be better than the paint on a Toyota Camry.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 21:44 UTC
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OlyPent: Unfortunately, the days of real finishes (nickel, satin chrome) are gone along with brass top and bottom plates (unless you are Leica). So, now it's metallic paint which (based on my two Olympus cameras) isn't highly durable, but at LEAST it's a change from the stodgy black cameras Americans seem unable to part with.

Painted brass top and bottom plates weren't that durable either. That is, after all, where the term "brassing" comes from (where the paint would rub off, revealing the brass underneath). And I don't know of many cameras that had bare, unpainted brass top and bottom plates! So I really don't know what you are talking about when it comes to "real finishes". Cameras have been painted for a very, very long time.

Plus, the downside of all-metal top and bottom plates was that they made the cameras very heavy.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 21:36 UTC
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arhmatic: You need to put passion and beauty into everything you do.

"pro" "tools" included. I always get shut down when criticizing Canikon's bubbly design. I will maintain my point, regardless...

I totally agree. Nothing wrong with taking care of aesthetics.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 21:23 UTC
On article CES 2017: Hands-on with Nikon D5600 (321 comments in total)
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dmanthree: Nikon seems to be running in place lately.

@HowaboutRAW - BTW, even more expensive mirrorless cameras such as the Fuji X-T2 and Olympus E-M1 are outselling the D5500 on Amazon right now. I don't think the D5600 is going to do any better, because it's so similar to the D5500!

https://s23.postimg.org/3t7vhi663/Screen_Shot_2017_01_06_at_9_21_23_AM.png

The DSLRs that still tend to do well are the very low end DSLRs, or the high end DSLRs. Mid-level DSLRs don't do well at all these days. So you may be seeing a lot of entry-level DSLRs out in the wild, but that doesn't mean you'll be seeing that many D5600s. When I see a DSLR out in use on the street or when traveling, it's mainly just a low-end Rebel. In fact, if you took low-end Rebels out of the equation, DSLR sales numbers would probably take a massive dive. A mid-level Canon 80D is currently at #43 on Amazon, while its direct mirrorless competitor, the Sony A6500 which was introduced at about the same time, is currently at #12. Not even close!

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 17:24 UTC
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dmanthree: Nikon seems to be running in place lately.

@HowaboutRAW- "Then the fact that the A7, various, costs more than the D5500 doesn't mean that the D5500 doesn't take sales from that Sony line."

Wow, you're seriously grasping at straws. No one says, "I want to buy a FF mirrorless camera in the $1k+ price range, but instead I'll buy this mid-range APS-C DSLR!" Haha. Nope. These two cameras don't compete in the same space. If anything, the D5600 competes with the Sony A6000, just as the D5500 does. Currently on Amazon, the A6000 is the #3 best selling ILC, compared to the D5500 which is only at #26. It's not even close! Furthermore, the A6000 pops up again at #13, #19, and #29 in various packages. So cumulatively, the A6000 is running circles around D5500 sales.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Interchangeable-Lens-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/12556502011/ref=zg_bs_unv_e_4_3109924011_1#2

This is a MASSIVE change, because just a few years ago mirrorless cameras didn't even break the top 100 in sales at Amazon!

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 17:19 UTC
On article CES 2017: Hands-on with Nikon D5600 (321 comments in total)
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dmanthree: Nikon seems to be running in place lately.

@HowaboutRAW - Hahaha, you have your head in the sand in so many ways. I hate to break it to you, but we live in the age of online sales. For every one camera that leaves a Best Buy or specialized camera store, there are probably a a hundred cameras of the same model being purchased online! The bulk of sales this past Christmas was done online. I just furnished a new house, and most of my furniture was bought online, without ever seeing it in person! Back in 2013, online sales overtook brick-and-mortar sales:

http://www.cnbc.com/2013/11/18/us-online-shoppers-overtake-real-buyers-for-first-time.html

And the trend has only accelerated! Anyone who doubts online sales is seriously out of touch with the times! And anyone who doubts the sales power of Amazon SERIOUSLY has their head in the sand. Amazon is a sales powerhouse for all things these days, including cameras! Plus, there's also the "touch in-store, buy on-line at Amazon" factor that you're not taking into account.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 17:09 UTC
On article Fujifilm unveils 'Graphite' X-Pro2 and X-T2 (194 comments in total)
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nicoboston: They call it "Graphite" because "Space Gray" is already taken?...
What a bunch of malarkey... Somehow I'm impressed by the ability of car and gadgets makers to rename "gray".

@nicoboston- I'm starting to think you're just one of those boring, non-creative type people. Like an engineer who is more comfortable with charts and numbers. That's why you are having trouble understanding why creative, descriptive names for colors are valuable and useful. They evoke a mental picture that make them more memorable and give a better understanding of the character of the color, rather than simply "grey #442". I find it totally ironic that you think these creative, descriptive names are "boring", and you'd rather just call all greys "grey", all blues "blue", all reds "red"! That's what I call boring! And bland! Descriptive names are the verbal spice of language. But I suspect you like everything in your life very bland, hahaha, so spicing language up is probably not something you are interested in. You are probably more interested in reading technical manuals than good literature by good authors who use descriptive language (what you probably call "silly words").

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 16:55 UTC
On article Fujifilm unveils 'Graphite' X-Pro2 and X-T2 (194 comments in total)
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nicoboston: They call it "Graphite" because "Space Gray" is already taken?...
What a bunch of malarkey... Somehow I'm impressed by the ability of car and gadgets makers to rename "gray".

@nicoboston- Haha, no, giving descriptive names to colors does NOT make things "very complicated". It makes things easier! It paints a better picture in people's minds. I just bought a new Lexus NX. There were different shades of grey: Silver Lining Metallic, Atomic Silver, and Nebula Grey Pearl. How idiotic and confusing would it be if they just called them all "grey". Or even calling them "Grey 1", "Grey 2", and "Grey 3" wouldn't have helped. It's still confusing. What's the solution? Make memorable, descriptive, evocative names for the various shades!

I also repainted my house. There are a bazillion shades of grey, browns, and whites. Are you suggesting that we just only use the names "grey", "brown" and "white"? Or how about "grey #235?" Talk about complicated!! And BORING!

The point is that these descriptive, evocative "silly names" serve a valuable purpose. "Graphite silver" evokes the look and mental picture of graphite. Much better than just "grey"!!! THAT is BORING!

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 16:36 UTC
On article CES 2017: Hands-on with Nikon D5600 (321 comments in total)
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Slouch Hooligan: Every announcement of a new DSLR triggers responses from the mirrorless acolytes. Mirrorless does have advantages in camera body size which pleases those with tiny hands. These same mirrorless acolytes consistently fail to mention that lens size is a function of sensor size, which sharply mitigates any advantage of mirrorless. Not to mention the battery life brevity for mirrorless.
One may like apples without disparaging oranges.

I used to travel with a Canon 60D. Now I travel with a Sony A6000. The difference in body size and weight are SIGNIFICANT!

http://camerasize.com/compare/#100,535

A6000 takes up half the space as a 60D. The 60D weighs 755g, A6000 weighs only 411g. Most of my mirrorless lenses are lighter than the Canon DSLR equivalents, which adds up to even more weight savings. Most of the lenses are smaller, too. Sure, some mirrorless lenses are the same size as DSLR lenses. But overall, you do get size and weight savings. Plus, I've become spoiled by EVFs. When I use my DSLR, I really miss not having the real-time exposure feedback, face detection AF, and expansive focus point coverage that mirrorless cameras offer. As for shorter battery life, yes, that's true. But it just means you carry a couple extra batteries. And an A6000 battery is about half the size of a Canon LP-E6 battery. It's not a big deal.

I'll keep my existing DSLR gear, but I'll never buy another DSLR. No need.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 09:07 UTC
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a voice of reason: i hate hipsters , but id like to thanks them for their role in the wonderful development

thanks , guy in porkpie hat , girl in 60s era sundress and scarf , your affectations are slightly less annoying to me now

@a voice of reason- dude, let's just face it, you're a bigot. Some people hate others based on race, some people hate others based on religion, some people hate others based on how a certain group of people dress, etc. But it's all a form of bigotry and hatred. And all these people who hate and discriminate all feel that they have a justification and rationalization for their hatred. They all think they are right and just. Another aspect of bigotry is to lump people together based on some external characteristic, painting them all with broad brushstrokes. It makes it easier to hate. "All Jews are like this, all black people are like this, all hispanic people are like this, all hipsters are like this...etc., and therefore I am *justified* in abhorring them, and we should all abhor them!"

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 08:44 UTC
On article CES 2017: Hands-on with Nikon D5600 (321 comments in total)
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dmanthree: Nikon seems to be running in place lately.

@HowaboutRAW - Considering that Amazon sells a MASSIVE amount of cameras (because everyone buys online these days, particularly through Amazon), a ranking of #27 for the D5500-- well behind so many mirrorless cameras-- doesn't bode well for your boast that the D5600 will outsell all other mirrorless cameras! You say, "5-7 years from now, things may finally change"!?!? Hahaha, get your head out of the sand! Things are already changing! Mid-range DSLRs simply don't sell very well these days.

BTW, those sales rankings are for Amazon USA-- America, which is supposedly the toughest market for mirrorless because supposedly Americans don't buy mirrorless! Hahaha!

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 08:02 UTC
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