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On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (252 comments in total)
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CanonM5fan: 1:00-1:10 "No 4K, no high frame rates. But it does the basics extremely well. Canon knows how to make a very pleasant to use camera." I can't emphasize this quote enough. Buying a camera from a spec sheet really misses out on the usability of and UI with the camera. I bought the A7R and A6000 and hated them both. The shutter shock on the A7R and the UI on both of the cameras was absolutely terrible. Shooting Nikon for 30 years then Canon for 6 years the Sonys were not intuitive to use at all. The Canons and especially my M3 are a joy to use as I expect the M5 will be. I don't have or plan to buy a 4K TV or monitor. Nor do I shoot video for slow motion. Why do I need 4K or high frame rates? I don't.
I think this is the guy who built that boat and made a video of it? That was an outstanding video. As I was watching it on my 27" monitor, did I think, "Too bad it's not in 4K." or "I wish they would have done some slow motion in this video, it would have made it better." Nope

I have an EOS M. I find the UI sucks. The steps you need to do focus magnification sucks. No focus peaking. What passes for a grip is a joke. It's more like a hand annoyance device. I certainly wouldn't say that Canon is the best when it comes to useability. They've made improvements to the EOS M line (at a glacial pace). But they still lag in too many areas. Still, I might pick up an M5 if it goes on firesale, like I did with my first M.

Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2016 at 07:48 UTC
On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (252 comments in total)
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Kaso: "it's a camera we can't help but like . . . Canon clearly knows how to make a camera that is both comfortable to hold and pleasing to use"

Indeed. And Canon releases many awesome products in 2016. (I will get an M5 to complement my 80D and 5D Mark IV.)

While you're at it, don't forget to get a Canon logo tatooed across your forehead, hahah.

Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2016 at 07:40 UTC
On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (252 comments in total)
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kadardr: Please complain about Hasselblad X1D and Fujifilm GFX50S not having 4k video. They dont. How comes $10,000 plus camera not having 4k video? What a shame! DOA!

Because they are medium format cameras! 4K medium format is still not common.

Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2016 at 07:37 UTC
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maljo@inreach.com: I wish Fuji well. I believe this will be an excellent camera, but it is entering a crowded market.

Yes there is MF market that is ā€¯crouded". But the mirrorless MF is not. The thing I like about mirrorless MF is that its not any larger than 35mm FF DSLR. Great for travel and location MF shooting.

Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2016 at 07:14 UTC
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Zdman: Sorry Barney but you're biased articles only seek to divide the community and sew hate in the DP community. Other sites just don't do this and I cannot see what you're hoping to accomplish besides dissing Canon. Canon has made sound business decisions that have seen them remain profitable in tough times (those great innovations all came at boom times). Sony took some risks as did Samsung. Samsung failed and Sony is suceeding for now (good for them and me because I own one). You should be celebrating the fact that Canon is getting it right now. In time with probably better and almost certainly cheaper lenses (Sony cannot compete long term on that front) it will introduce mirrorless to the masses (not just enthusiasts). Your dissapointment of a camera is most likely the start of Sony exiting the market which is probably what you're actually dissapointed about.

Geez, sounda like you're the one dividing the community and sewing hate. I don't know why people get so defensive when a company is critiqued. I think this article makes some very valid points. I've been a Canon user since the 1990s. Canon of today have gotten stodgy, slow and dull. I think that's perfectly fine to say. My brain and heart haven't exploded as a result of saying that.
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Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2016 at 07:08 UTC
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keeponkeepingon: " asking people to invest in a small camera with the expectation that they'll use larger EF and EF-S lenses doesn't sound like the easiest sell."

I would think asking Canon photographers to invest in a camera with some fantatic native lenes and the ability to use every lens they currently own would be an easy sell. The adapter is so cheap to make (A third party sells one for $40) it's a wonder they just don't throw it in with the original kit.

Regarding size, There are some crackerjack EF/EF-S lenses that are pretty small. The 24mm F2.8, 40mm F2.8 pancakes and even the 50mm F1.8 are all not terribly large even when you add the adapter (betcha canon's 50 with the adapter is not much bigger than sony's 50mm F1.8)

In real life, using adapters isn't that appealing. There are actually very few Canon lenses you'd truly want to use with a Canon M body because you have to factor in the size/weight of the DSLR lens, plus the adapter.

People get a little too enthusiastic about the idea that they can "use EVERY LENS they currently own". In theory, it sounds great. I used to think the same thing as a Canon DSLR user who bought an M. But in reality, there's only a tiny number of lenses that you'd really want to adapt to an M body. I'd rather not have to use the adapter at all. It practically doubles the thickness of the camera. Native lenses are definitely the way to go.

Also, none of Canon's compact DSLR lenses that you mentioned have stabilization. I have the Sony 35/1.8 OSS and 50/1.8 OSS. Those are excellent "crackerjack" lenses, and they are stabilized. I really wish Canon would publish a lens road-map so we could see if, or when, Canon has more lenses planned for M.

Link | Posted on Sep 16, 2016 at 21:17 UTC
On article Canon EOS M5: What you need to know (548 comments in total)
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ttran88: Too expensive for an unproven lineup of cameras and lenses. Should have been priced around A6000 when it first came out.

@Raintitan - soccer moms are going to pick up a Rebel for $550. Or an A6000 for $550. The M5 for $1K? Seems an unlikely choice for the average soccer mom. That's a lot of extra cash.

@Sdaniella - I don't think the average soccer mom cares about "cinematic pdaf control". Maybe you don't have kids, or aren't a mom, but the average mom cares more about price than "cinematic pdaf control". I don't think they really care about touchscreen focusing while their eye is to the EVF, either. The average consumer just wants good face detection AF tracking. They want the camera to find the faces, just like on their iPhone .

Link | Posted on Sep 16, 2016 at 20:25 UTC
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Donnie G: How is it that Canon's EOS ILCs, whether mirrorless or DSLR, continues to attract swarms of new buyers regardless of their cameras' higher costs and other inexcusable faults as perceived by the critics on this site? Well, I'll tell you how. Canon's ILCs all have one thing in common no matter what skill level their cameras are aimed at. Ease Of Use! Nobody does "ease of use" better than Canon.

Real world shoppers, for the most part, aren't gear-heads who are prone to argue over whether or not the camera records 4k video, has a mirror box or not, etc, etc.. Real world shoppers buy Canon because those cameras are "easy to use". Easy to use exposure controls, focusing tools, menus, connectivity, and the list goes on and on. Add to that, Canon's world class customer service, and it becomes easy to see why Canon is the preferred choice among Real World Shoppers. :))

Donnie, grow up, man. So now, in your delusional, childish mind, you think that it's because you did something to my kin? Stupid stuff, Donnie. No, Donnie, as I have said before, it's simply that you're a rabid brand fan who writes non-sense. You just need to take off your fan goggles, and cut back on the PR drivel. And now you're trolling. Reported.

Link | Posted on Sep 16, 2016 at 01:04 UTC
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Donnie G: My goodness! Everywhere I've looked today there are masses of trolls having panic attacks and throwing themselves off of their mirrorless bridges. Does this mean that the zombie apocalypse has finally arrived? Well, not exactly. It just means that Canon is about to hit another bases loaded sales home run with their new EOS M5 ILC, which means that this holiday shopping season is going to be awfully bleak for the competition, again. Let the games begin! :))

Donnie G, grow up, man. Do you realize that the only person here who is remotely close to having a "panic attack" is the guy who uses the phrase "panic attack", as well as other ridiculous descriptions, such as "the zombie apocalypse" , "another bases loaded sales home run", and "holiday shopping season is going to be awfully bleak for the competition"?! Geez, you sound like a 17 year old troll sitting in your basement getting off on a camera announcement. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you seriously like what you see? Frankly, I don't think you're capable of any introspection. But let this be a lesson to everyone ELSE out there: this is what a brand fanboy looks and sounds like (Donnie G). Notice how he practically idolizes his beloved brand and its product, with hyperbole and exaggeration and childish boasting. And it just goes to show, it doesn't matter what age you are, you can still act like a pimply-faced teenage troll.

Link | Posted on Sep 16, 2016 at 00:49 UTC
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deep7: Looks like a decent enough camera but, yet again, we have a fake SLR style. No mirror means you can put the viewfinder in the corner and have a more compact and more comfortable body but it looks like marketing has dictated this one (the buyer is convinced this is a "real camera like a 1DX")?

I use an A6000 and an X-E1. I, too, like side-mount viewfinders. For one thing, it keeps your nose off the rear LCD. Also, it keeps the top of the camera flat and gives it a lower profile look. The other thing I like is that it allows you to use your left eye to look at the world around you even as your right eye is in the viewfinder.

@balios-- I think a side-mounted EVF would have actually helped the touch-screen because it would make it easy to use the touchpad for moving the focus point around because your face is off to the side, away from the screen. This assumes that you are going to use your right-hand thumb to do the touchscreen focusing, which is the most natural choice. As for the UI itself, I don't think it would make that much difference. UI designers just tweak the layout a bit. I doubt the difference would amount to much of an "ergonomic" difference.

I think the real reason for keeping the hump is Canon's esthetics. It needed to look like a baby Canon DSLR.

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 21:45 UTC
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Donnie G: How is it that Canon's EOS ILCs, whether mirrorless or DSLR, continues to attract swarms of new buyers regardless of their cameras' higher costs and other inexcusable faults as perceived by the critics on this site? Well, I'll tell you how. Canon's ILCs all have one thing in common no matter what skill level their cameras are aimed at. Ease Of Use! Nobody does "ease of use" better than Canon.

Real world shoppers, for the most part, aren't gear-heads who are prone to argue over whether or not the camera records 4k video, has a mirror box or not, etc, etc.. Real world shoppers buy Canon because those cameras are "easy to use". Easy to use exposure controls, focusing tools, menus, connectivity, and the list goes on and on. Add to that, Canon's world class customer service, and it becomes easy to see why Canon is the preferred choice among Real World Shoppers. :))

@Donnie G- dude, you're talking non-sense. You're such a Canon fan that you can't see clearly. I use multiple brands. I've been able to see all their pros and cons. I don't keep my head up one brand's derrière, lol. All I'm saying is that there are *certain* users that need to take off their fanboy goggles, stop with the glorified fanboy propaganda (seriously, you talk as if you're in Canon's PR department), and take a more balanced look at things. I don't hate Canon. But I also don't spew marketing PR and idolize them like a teenage girl in love! Haha! Canon, as a brand, definitely has its warts, just like any other company. There are pros and cons to all companies. Any rational-minded adult understands that.

Canon is not a religion. Wait, maybe it is for you. If that's the case, then you really ought to get a life. Seriously. Look at yourself in the mirror. Is there a Canon logo tattooed to your forehead? No. So stop acting as if there is one.

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 21:19 UTC
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Jefftan: Interesting what is camera is for
definitely too expensive for the public
for photographer will it attract them with the limited lens lineup, no 4k, no weather seal...etc

really curious at this high price (almost double the price of A6000) would it sell well?

A6300 at least got high end features like 4k and weather seal to justify the price
and although many attack the lens rangge still has more native option and better 3rd party support

One thing people seem to be ignoring during their Canon and Sony comparisons is that the M5 has far worse battery life than the Sony A6300. Sure, you can carry a bunch of extra batteries, but the issue is the frequency of those battery changes, and constantly having to keep an eye on the battery indicator. I have an A6000. The battery life isn't great, but the M5 is even worse! That's a definite no-go for me. This may not seem to be a big deal when you're just reading about it on the web, but in real life it's a big annoyance. I would not want to use a camera with even worse battery life than my A6000.

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 20:38 UTC
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Louis_Dobson: I'm not being a fanboy here, I just wondered why Olympus is so rarely mentioned here, since it seems to be the obvious competitor.

As for the camera, without trying it I have no view and without lenses no interest. I'm sure it's a sensible choice if you already have a load of Canon lenses and wish to go mirrorless.

"if you already have a load of Canon lenses and wish to go mirrorless."

Actually, there are very few Canon DSLR lenses you'd really want to use on an EOS M body. I have a ton of Canon DSLR lenses. I have an adapter for my EOS M body. But in reality, it's just not that appealing to use Canon DSLR lenses on your Canon mirrorless body. It requires that clunky adapter that adds a lot to the size of the mirrorless body. And most Canon DSLR lenses are big and bulky. There's only a tiny handful of Canon DSLR lenses you'd want to use, And even then, you have to put that thick adapter between the lens and the body. If you are adamant about using Canon DSLR lenses, then you might as well just stick to using a Canon DSLR.

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 20:34 UTC
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downwind4final: I like the IBIS and form. Add 4k and I'll start being interested.

It's digital IS, not sensor stabilization. And its for "when shooting movies". Apparently, it's for video. And you supposedly get a reduction in field of view, too. Is that correct, Richard?

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 20:27 UTC
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Donnie G: How is it that Canon's EOS ILCs, whether mirrorless or DSLR, continues to attract swarms of new buyers regardless of their cameras' higher costs and other inexcusable faults as perceived by the critics on this site? Well, I'll tell you how. Canon's ILCs all have one thing in common no matter what skill level their cameras are aimed at. Ease Of Use! Nobody does "ease of use" better than Canon.

Real world shoppers, for the most part, aren't gear-heads who are prone to argue over whether or not the camera records 4k video, has a mirror box or not, etc, etc.. Real world shoppers buy Canon because those cameras are "easy to use". Easy to use exposure controls, focusing tools, menus, connectivity, and the list goes on and on. Add to that, Canon's world class customer service, and it becomes easy to see why Canon is the preferred choice among Real World Shoppers. :))

Swarms of new buyers for Canon mirrorless? Where? Source? Go look on Amazon's Best Sellers in Mirrorless Cameras list, or Best Sellers in Interchangeable Lens Cameras list.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Mirrorless-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/3109924011#4

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Interchangeable-Lens-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/12556502011/ref=zg_bs_unv_e_4_3109924011_1

I looked through all 100 listings on both lists; there's not a single Canon EOS mirrorless camera there. Lots of other mirrorless cameras from other brands, though. BTW, Canon's "ease of use" is way overblown and just your own biased judgement. I've used Canon, Fuji, Oly, Sony, and Samsung bodies. For ease of use, they ALL have their pros and cons. If you pulled your head out of your Canon fanboy dreamworld for a moment, and looked at cameras with a more balanced eye, you'd realize that other cameras also have their advantages, including ease of use. Man, you're the worst fanboy!

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 20:02 UTC
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Richard Schumer: I will never understand business decisions and US political campaigns, I guess. Recently the press has been saying that the sales of Canon's M-series and Nikon's J-series have been so poor the makers are moving to discontinue the lines, while political sentiment in the US is so negative for both candidates it appears the electorate wants different ones.

Yet here, Canon, like both Trump and Clinton, seems to be doubling down on a losing hand. Is there some trend I'm missing?

@justmeMN- Thom Hogan is a hack. Just look at his previous predictions. They are all just stabs in the dark. But I don't see Canon making much movement in mirrorless, not with the M5. It's quite pricey. And even with the low-end EOS M's, last year Canon only managed 13.6% marketshare in Japan, compared to Olympus's 34.5% and Sony's 24.8%. Is the M5 going to move the needle much? Probably not, because it's pricey with very limited mirrorless-specific lens support. Too pricey for casual shooters, too limiting for enthusiasts who have a lot of other more mature systems to choose from. This is a camera for diehard EOS M fans who would buy one sight-unseen.

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 19:27 UTC
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cdembrey: I nave no interest in a M5 w/18-150mm zoom lens. Where are the wide primes??

Both Sony and Fuji have primes available (both OEM and 3rd Party) starting at 12mm. Meh!

@Nobby2016- the difference is that Sony has a lot of other lenses to choose from. I think it's a perfectly valid complaint that the Canon M system lacks lenses, particularly faster lenses. This is not an "imbecile sony fanboys" thing. First of all, childish name-calling won't get you anywhere. Secondly, I use both EOS M and Sony E. I also use Fuji X. "Fanboys" are exclusive to one brand. They have all their eggs in one basket, so to speak. I'm an objective user of various brands.

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 14:12 UTC
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TTran510: Will get this when the price drop down a bit. Bum that they don't give all the video features of the 80D :( No All-I

@Nobby2016-"i can make real use of my 20000+ euro canon lens collection with it."

I have a ton of Canon L glass too. But the reality is that there are very few Canon DSLR lenses you'd want to use on an EOS M body. Talk about "ergonomic weaknesses!" Hahaha. So I think this argument at getting an EOS M lens so that you can "use of my 20000+ euro canon lens collection with it" is a bit naive and overstated. Ultimately, if you are using a mirrorless camera, you want to use mirrorless-specific lenses. You don't want to add a clunky adapter, then add bulky DSLR lenses.

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 14:05 UTC
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noflashplease: I really don't see this thing selling very well in the United States? After all, the Sony A6000 has a much better form factor, reasonable performance and sold for $400 during the last holiday season. Can Canon compete on features? Probably not. If anyone is truly interested in the EOS M5, they should wait for the discounting to start. Or maybe for a clearance sale like the original EOS M?

@rrccad - unit volume of all cameras has plummeted recently. And are you seriously saying that Canon shouldn't care that mirrorless cameras are far outselling old stalwarts such as Canon's venerable XXD series (70D, 80D) at places like Amazon (one of the biggest sellers of cameras in the US)? When mirrorless cameras are taking up multiple positions in front of the 70D (now at #41, at this moment) and 80D (now at #45, at this moment), how do you think that translates to units? Are you seriously arguing that the unit volume of sales for the 70D and 80D are GREATER than the mirrorless cameras that are outselling it on Amazon?

Canon's unit volume sales is primarily in low-end, low-margin models such as the older Rebel T5. But that doesn't mean that Canon's DSLR sales are healthy across the range. I think the high sales volume of low-end DSLRs is actually masking the overall health (or lack thereof) of the DSLR market.

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 06:13 UTC
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MrTaikitso: I just read about this on Engadget, and thought, finally, Canon have innovated in their industrial and handling design. (M3 was dull and lacking in features.) Then I noticed it does not support 4K, which is now vital for prosumers. NO sale. What a huge waste!

@Yake - then they shouldn't be pricing the M5 at a "prosumer" price.

Link | Posted on Sep 15, 2016 at 06:04 UTC
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