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On article Leica Boss: Hands-on with new Leica M10 (137 comments in total)
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Steve Sanacore: It's very annoying when people complain or insult a product they can't afford and or have never even used. These are wonderful cameras with superb optics. Most of their lenses are still optically superior to almost all others. Many Sony A7R2 users have Leica M lenses on their cameras because of the unique quality of the images. Price is irrelevant to those who enjoy shooting Leica rangefinders. You can say the same for Hasselblad and Phase One, grossly overpriced for those that don't need it. The world is filled with super high priced items that provide nothing but glamor, like, $20,000+ watches etc. At least in Leica's case, it provides amazing lenses in a tiny form factor that few can compete with. Those that can see the nuances in the images that Leica's deliver appreciate it and are willing to pay for it.

@lokiminion - You clearly have a chip on your shoulder! And your attempt at explaining what "rich people want" is clearly off base, because Leica has continued to do quite well with the Leica M for decades, even with the very high prices that are attached to them! You also seem to TOTALLY ignore the fact that Leica M's have generally NEVER been at the top of the class when it came to having the "best specs" and whatnot! They've never had the best handling, the best ergonomics, the most features, the fastest operation, the fastest shooting speed or AF (because they've always been manual cameras with no AF), etc. So your whining that this new Leica M's "real world performance is no better than cameras that cost less than half as much announced 2 or 3 years ago" has basically been a characteristic of Leica M's for as long as Leica M's have existed! But you just don't seem to get it! You are simply out of touch with what is appealing about Leica M's, and why the M has endured for so long.

Link | Posted on Jan 20, 2017 at 23:36 UTC
On article Leica Boss: Hands-on with new Leica M10 (137 comments in total)
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T3: People who are complaining about the price of this camera really out to get a life. Buying a Leica is like buying most luxury items: it's not really about the dollars-and-cents practical value or bang-for-your-buck. There are plenty of women in the world walking around with $5000+ handbags. Hermes Birkin bags go for anywhere from $10K to $80K, depending on what material it's made of-- and that's for a handbag! There are people in the world who are spend $10,000+ for a single first-class plane ticket as we speak! Go to a place like United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Brunei, etc, and you'll see plenty of very wealthy people who would think nothing of spending $10-20K on Leica gear. There are plenty of very rich people in the world. This is not a camera for your average Walmart shopper.

@PliciPlici - there are plenty of extraordinarily wealthy people in the world for whom the price of a Leica M is a trivial matter. And I find it a bit absurd for you to say that a 5DIV, 80D, and M5 are "expensive gear". For some, that's "expensive gear". For others, it's "affordable gear". It just depends on where you're coming from, and what your economic status is. I have a friend who runs her own very successful business. She has a huge collection of handbags, ranging from $5,000 to $20,000! These are handbags and purses we're talking about! Google "Hermes Birkin bag" and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Not everything is about "bang for your buck" and "specs sheets". People find pleasure and appreciation in things that go beyond a specs sheet. This may be difficult for you to understand, which makes it difficult for you to understand why anyone would ever buy a Leica M. But just understand that not everyone is the same, and not everyone is like you.

Link | Posted on Jan 20, 2017 at 06:25 UTC
On article Leica Boss: Hands-on with new Leica M10 (137 comments in total)
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Steve Sanacore: It's very annoying when people complain or insult a product they can't afford and or have never even used. These are wonderful cameras with superb optics. Most of their lenses are still optically superior to almost all others. Many Sony A7R2 users have Leica M lenses on their cameras because of the unique quality of the images. Price is irrelevant to those who enjoy shooting Leica rangefinders. You can say the same for Hasselblad and Phase One, grossly overpriced for those that don't need it. The world is filled with super high priced items that provide nothing but glamor, like, $20,000+ watches etc. At least in Leica's case, it provides amazing lenses in a tiny form factor that few can compete with. Those that can see the nuances in the images that Leica's deliver appreciate it and are willing to pay for it.

Guys, if you can't afford it and don't like it, just buy cheaper stuff that suits you better. I don't get annoyed at people who drive a Range Rover when a Toyota 4Runner can offer similar performance for a lot less money! The reality is that there are people and products that cover a very wide economic and financial spectrum. There are plenty of people in this world for whom spending $10K for Leica M gear, in addition to $10K for a 1st-class airline ticket for a quick trip to Paris, is really no big deal at all. Travel to places like United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Singapore, Luxembourg, Monaco, etc, and you'll find all this whining about the Leica M price to be a trivial matter. It's just not a problem for these customers with extraordinary financial means that most people here can't even fathom.

Link | Posted on Jan 20, 2017 at 06:14 UTC
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tom43: Right now it looks interesting but the situation might be different once Nikon presents the new D820 (D900?). I expect to see 60-70MP full frame with base ISO 50. Together with the large set of high-quality lenses and the new MultiCAM 20k autofocus most likely the better system for most photographers....

The Fuji is not a camera designed for "most photographers." "Most photographers" don't need anything larger than FF, or even APS-C. MF has never been a format for "most photographers."

Link | Posted on Jan 20, 2017 at 01:28 UTC
On article Leica Boss: Hands-on with new Leica M10 (137 comments in total)
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Steve Sanacore: It's very annoying when people complain or insult a product they can't afford and or have never even used. These are wonderful cameras with superb optics. Most of their lenses are still optically superior to almost all others. Many Sony A7R2 users have Leica M lenses on their cameras because of the unique quality of the images. Price is irrelevant to those who enjoy shooting Leica rangefinders. You can say the same for Hasselblad and Phase One, grossly overpriced for those that don't need it. The world is filled with super high priced items that provide nothing but glamor, like, $20,000+ watches etc. At least in Leica's case, it provides amazing lenses in a tiny form factor that few can compete with. Those that can see the nuances in the images that Leica's deliver appreciate it and are willing to pay for it.

@lokiminion - "The only problem is that the real world performance is no better than cameras that cost less than half as much announced 2 or 3 years ago."

Well, the same can be said of a $5,000 Rolex Submariner (or any other luxury good). It's not strictly about the value proposition. People buy a Rolex because they appreciate that it's a Rolex, even though you can get an Invicta Pro Diver that looks almost identical to a Rolex Submariner for about $150. But what's different about the Leica is that, unlike the Submariner and the Pro Diver, you can't get a near-clone of the Leica digital rangefinder that is offered by another manufacturer at a fraction of the cost.

But my point is that people who buy a Leica aren't buying it for "bang-for-your-buck". They aren't looking for the best value proposition, just like someone who drops $15,000 for a fine Swiss mechanical watch aren't looking for the best value proposition in a device that tells the time.

Link | Posted on Jan 20, 2017 at 01:17 UTC
On article Leica Boss: Hands-on with new Leica M10 (137 comments in total)
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T3: People who are complaining about the price of this camera really out to get a life. Buying a Leica is like buying most luxury items: it's not really about the dollars-and-cents practical value or bang-for-your-buck. There are plenty of women in the world walking around with $5000+ handbags. Hermes Birkin bags go for anywhere from $10K to $80K, depending on what material it's made of-- and that's for a handbag! There are people in the world who are spend $10,000+ for a single first-class plane ticket as we speak! Go to a place like United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Brunei, etc, and you'll see plenty of very wealthy people who would think nothing of spending $10-20K on Leica gear. There are plenty of very rich people in the world. This is not a camera for your average Walmart shopper.

@PliciPlici - no one is saying that the specs "don't matter". I'm just saying that there are plenty of people in the world who can afford such a product. But specs and other qualities do matter to these people. It's like rich people who buy a Rolls Royce or Lamborghini or Ferrari or Astin Martin. Sure, they want to know how much horsepower these cars have, how fast they can accelerate, how fast they can go, etc. They love specs just as much as anyone.

Link | Posted on Jan 20, 2017 at 01:00 UTC
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SiberiaWolf: A 2017 camera that costs around 1k, without IBIS - that might be deal breaker...

Hey guys, there ain't nothing wrong with JPEGs, especially if the camera gives you what you want. It's like in the film days when some of us chose to shoot slide film rather than negative film. Slide film simply didn't have the range of adjustability and exposure latitude that negative film had-- much like the difference between JPEG and RAW today. But plenty of photographers were plenty happy with shooting slide film.

I think I'd be perfectly happy if I never had to process another RAW file in my life. But there are plenty of situations where I need the "safety net" that RAW offers. However, I still appreciate a good straight-out-of-camera JPEG.

Link | Posted on Jan 19, 2017 at 21:46 UTC
On article Leica Boss: Hands-on with new Leica M10 (137 comments in total)

People who are complaining about the price of this camera really out to get a life. Buying a Leica is like buying most luxury items: it's not really about the dollars-and-cents practical value or bang-for-your-buck. There are plenty of women in the world walking around with $5000+ handbags. Hermes Birkin bags go for anywhere from $10K to $80K, depending on what material it's made of-- and that's for a handbag! There are people in the world who are spend $10,000+ for a single first-class plane ticket as we speak! Go to a place like United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Brunei, etc, and you'll see plenty of very wealthy people who would think nothing of spending $10-20K on Leica gear. There are plenty of very rich people in the world. This is not a camera for your average Walmart shopper.

Link | Posted on Jan 19, 2017 at 06:46 UTC as 7th comment | 6 replies
On article Leica Boss: Hands-on with new Leica M10 (137 comments in total)
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PliciPlici: Can somebody explain to me why would someone pay this price for a body Leica? What makes it so different for such a price?

People pay $10,000 for a watch. I have a friend who has a collection of handbags, each one being about $5,000 or more. Hate to break it to you, but there are plenty of people in the world who would think nothing of dropping $10K for Leica M gear.

Link | Posted on Jan 19, 2017 at 06:34 UTC
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SiberiaWolf: A 2017 camera that costs around 1k, without IBIS - that might be deal breaker...

Uh, then I guess there are a LOT of cameras that fall into that "deal breaker" category. For example, Sony doesn't offer a single camera that has IBIS for $1K. Neither does Canon or Nikon.

Link | Posted on Jan 19, 2017 at 06:02 UTC
On article CES 2017: Hands-on with Nikon D5600 (322 comments in total)
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Slouch Hooligan: Every announcement of a new DSLR triggers responses from the mirrorless acolytes. Mirrorless does have advantages in camera body size which pleases those with tiny hands. These same mirrorless acolytes consistently fail to mention that lens size is a function of sensor size, which sharply mitigates any advantage of mirrorless. Not to mention the battery life brevity for mirrorless.
One may like apples without disparaging oranges.

@Stanchung- "I need a lot of buttons on my camera to access stuff quickly and smaller digital is not going to be very good at doing that."

Geez, you're making things sound a lot more complicated they really are. I use mirrorless and DSLR. I don't find it any harder to "access stuff quickly" on a mirrorless camera than on a DSLR! It may be different, but I don't find it to be any less quick. Seriously, you seem to think that aperture settings, ISO settings, or shutter speed settings are buried deep inside a menu! It's not! All key functions are readily accessible on mirrorless cameras. So your claim that "smaller digital is not going to be very good at...accessing stuff quickly" is just wrong.

As for "missing a shot while changing a battery", in theory that may well be true. But in practice, I've yet to encounter that problem. Again, I think you're blowing things out of proportion. As a long time DSLR user, I've been happily using mirrorless for a few years now.

Link | Posted on Jan 17, 2017 at 00:17 UTC
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Patcheye: XT-2 looks very similar to my old Asahi Pentax K1000 - which is still used occasionally - wonder whether this one will still be usable in 30 - 40 years time?

The only limitation with digital cameras is battery power. Other than that, there's no reason why they can't outlast film SLRs. For one thing, digital cameras have far fewer moving parts. In fact, they have barely any moving parts, especially with mirrorless cameras that don't even move flipping mechanical mirrors. With mechanical film cameras like the Pentax K1000, you had a very large number of moving parts that could wear out and break.

My last film SLR died when the film door latch broke, after so many film changes-- which was a lot, since I had to do it every 36 shots! But the main reason why so many film SLRs have been able to survive as long as they did was because of the cost of film, and the 36-shot capacity of each film roll. These factors basically kept most film SLRs to a fairly low shot count (low mileage) -- nothing close to how many shots the average digital shooter does today.

Link | Posted on Jan 12, 2017 at 05:31 UTC
On article CES 2017: Hands-on with Nikon D5600 (322 comments in total)
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Slouch Hooligan: Every announcement of a new DSLR triggers responses from the mirrorless acolytes. Mirrorless does have advantages in camera body size which pleases those with tiny hands. These same mirrorless acolytes consistently fail to mention that lens size is a function of sensor size, which sharply mitigates any advantage of mirrorless. Not to mention the battery life brevity for mirrorless.
One may like apples without disparaging oranges.

@Stanchung - "Have you guys ever shot an Indian wedding in Mauritius? 3 days and nights of nearly non stop action with no available powerpoint in sight at the location to charge your batteries?"

Hahaha, I remember film shooters used to say the same thing when arguing against digital photography. "Ever hike the Himalayas with no place to charge a battery? I can go months of shooting with my film SLR! You can't do that with a DSLR!" People also used the same battery argument when arguing against smartphones. "Smartphone batteries only last a day! My flip phone can last a week or more on a single charge!" The "battery issue" didn't prevent these products from eventually taking over the market. And it's not going to prevent mirrorless cameras from doing the same either.

DSLRs will never go away. But ultimately the smaller form factor and technology that mirrorless cameras offer will become the norm. I've been a lifelong SLR/DSLR user, but these days I mainly use mirrorless.

Link | Posted on Jan 12, 2017 at 05:19 UTC

While everyone waits with baited breath for Kodachrome to return from the dead, I recommend everyone go out any support the existing films that are currently in the market. They need your support too.

Link | Posted on Jan 11, 2017 at 00:07 UTC as 83rd comment
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rrccad: Meh, I'm sorry.. making a camera look and have the haptics of an old camera is cool .. if you want to relive the past. Analog controls in these days of setting banks? meh.

I guess it looks cool.. but I can go and get an old film camera, and it will look just as "cool" too.

*sits back and waits for incoming flames*

@rrccad - it's not a one-size-fits-all world. Some people like to drive automatics, while others like to drive manual transmissions. Do people who drive automatics argue with the people who drive manuals about how they can change gears without moving their legs and arms? No, they just leave it be. People have different preferences. And a lot of people who have a manual transmission car also drive automatics, too. Sometimes it's nice to switch back and forth.

Link | Posted on Jan 7, 2017 at 16:34 UTC
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arhmatic: You need to put passion and beauty into everything you do.

"pro" "tools" included. I always get shut down when criticizing Canikon's bubbly design. I will maintain my point, regardless...

@kreislauf - Canon used to have a little more variety in their body styling. Back in the film days, I had a Canon Elan IIe which had "classic camera" styling cues such as a squared silver top plate, knobs, and dials, sort of like today's Nikon Df.

Canon Elan IIe:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/My_Canon_Elan_IIe_(4659431483).jpg

I really loved that Elan IIe. Such a beautiful body. I loved the styling, and the knobs were very functional.

A little variety in a product line isn't such a bad thing. Nikon, after all, offers the aforementioned Df body.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 22:44 UTC
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Craig from Nevada: Basic black works for me.

Cameras need not be like Model T Fords. (Henry Ford famously said, about the Model T, “A customer can have a car painted any color he wants as long as it’s black.”)

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 22:37 UTC
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a voice of reason: i hate hipsters , but id like to thanks them for their role in the wonderful development

thanks , guy in porkpie hat , girl in 60s era sundress and scarf , your affectations are slightly less annoying to me now

Geez, this is bigotry at its core: I don't like how someone looks, therefore I hate them, and I will assume bad things about all of them. Nice. Like I said, people who hate in such a manner always think they are totally justified, righteous, and enlightened for doing so. Whether it happens on a small scale, or a large scale, it's all bad.

There's no rationalizing with the irrational. And there's always going to be people who find great comfort in hating another group of people. Sometimes it just empowers their false sense of superiority.

I'm a middle-aged man. But I appreciate diversity in the world. I don't want or expect everyone to be like me, talk like me, dress like me, act like me, listen to the same music as me, etc. I appreciate differences and diversity. Others obviously don't feel the same way! Haters are always going to hate.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 22:28 UTC
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rrccad: Meh, I'm sorry.. making a camera look and have the haptics of an old camera is cool .. if you want to relive the past. Analog controls in these days of setting banks? meh.

I guess it looks cool.. but I can go and get an old film camera, and it will look just as "cool" too.

*sits back and waits for incoming flames*

Nothing wrong with having variety in the market. You might like a digital watch, while another person might like a mechanical watch. Some people like to drive automatics, while others like driving manual transmissions.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 22:16 UTC
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OlyPent: Unfortunately, the days of real finishes (nickel, satin chrome) are gone along with brass top and bottom plates (unless you are Leica). So, now it's metallic paint which (based on my two Olympus cameras) isn't highly durable, but at LEAST it's a change from the stodgy black cameras Americans seem unable to part with.

@AbrasiveReducer - well, considering the exorbitant price of Leicas, some people have to chuckle that people would drop that kind of money on a manual camera. Buying a Leica camera is more like buying jewelry. And for the price, you should expect it to have a nice paint job. You really do have to take cost into consideration. The paint on a Rolls Royce is going to be better than the paint on a Toyota Camry.

Link | Posted on Jan 6, 2017 at 21:44 UTC
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