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jaberg: Lots of slippery slope fallacy applied here. It’s a feature requested by a small (relative to overall user base), but apparently significant market segment. Each can decide for themselves whether it’s worth the cost against improved workflow. There is no sign that the sky is falling, or that this a harbinger of insidious things to come.
But very important lines if you do commercial work for clients that need multiple formats from one shot....
And you buy the gridline option. you don't have to pay a subscription either...
Reilly Diefenbach: Here's an idea: If you squawkers don't like the price or any other aspect of the update, don't buy it.
skyisland that's a continuous cost. this is a one time payment. Very different things.
Now, do I want to buy a cheaper camera and pay extra if I want focus stacking and bug tracking af that I've never used and don't plan on using? Yes...
When you buy a computer you pay for the software you want to use. And you don't pay for the software you don't want to use...
jaberg: Lots of slippery slope fallacy applied here. It’s a feature requested by a small (relative to overall user base), but apparently significant market segment. Each can decide for themselves whether it’s worth the cost against improved workflow. There is no sign that the sky is falling, or that this a harbinger of insidious things to come.
But the massive program is an iteration of the previous generation. it's not like they code the entire program every time there's an update...
ottonis: Just cut fine 1mm-wide stripes of semi-transparent duct tape and attach them to the lcd rear screen at the position you want your specific frame line.
You can remove them anytime.
Costs a few cents and 5 minutes of time.
And by the way: all the professional users, e.g. portrait photographers, have already made their own custom solutions to align their subjects. Otherwise, how would they have done their work?
To be honest, 150 USD for custom frame lines is just ridiculous.
Thoughts R Us plugging a camera to a computer isn't easy? wow... you must be really bad with technology.
jaberg: Lots of slippery slope fallacy applied here. It’s a feature requested by a small (relative to overall user base), but apparently significant market segment. Each can decide for themselves whether it’s worth the cost against improved workflow. There is no sign that the sky is falling, or that this a harbinger of insidious things to come.
skyisland, do you think adding a couple of features to Capture One is worth $300 for the new version?
How do you price something like this?
Is $150 too much when it will save hours and hours of post production?
PAntunes: If you don't need those grids, I'm sure $150 feels like a lot.
But if you do, that's not a lot at all.
Go shoot ecom for different platforms on the same shoot and you'll be more than happy to pay $150.
Is there any other brand offering this feature?
Thoughts R Us Nikon doesn't offer anything similar. It offers an option to do an overlay of another picture ONCE. So if you're doing a full day of ecom shooting, you'd be going to the menu to set that option about 2000 times... yeah, that's not gonna work, is it?!
Panasonic option is better as it stays on until you turn it off, but unless it accepts transparent png, you're looking at a washed out image the entire day.
PAntunes: If you don't need those grids, I'm sure $150 feels like a lot.
But if you do, that's not a lot at all.
Go shoot ecom for different platforms on the same shoot and you'll be more than happy to pay $150.
Is there any other brand offering this feature?
Yeah, not ideal on the EVF.
If you don't need those grids, I'm sure $150 feels like a lot.
But if you do, that's not a lot at all.
Go shoot ecom for different platforms on the same shoot and you'll be more than happy to pay $150.
Is there any other brand offering this feature?
mikeo96: The sample pictures don't seem to show any shots that a current professional camera or high end enthusiast camera could not take. Seems like the GS is something that would benefit a very narrow group of professional or enthusiast sports photographers. Maybe those who take a lot of baseball, golf or tennis pictures. Even for those people, how many times really do they lose a good shot because of rolling shutter? So what if once in a great while the tennis racket or golf club is slightly distorted for an otherwise great shot.
Now, the big question is, are the images worst than they would've been with a stacked sensor?
Georgeee: With the global shutter, the shooting can completely silent I assume. But none has mentioned it or I missed it.
Mr Bolton, if the stars all alight, there isn't a shot that couldn't be taken with an old film camera.
The question is more of how easy it is to get the shot with a modern camera.
And then there are the things you can't see. You can't see that with a different camera you'd have banding or distortion.
fuego6: Lol.. all you need to do is mash the button.. then let some intern go through the 600 shots (5 seconds)) to find the best one... delete the rest.. photography has become a game of "hold the button and hope" it seems!!
Composition is all but simple.
gazza73: Anyone know if the global shutter work with flash sync too?
There are examples of the off camera flash syncing at 1/16.000s
fuego6: Lol.. all you need to do is mash the button.. then let some intern go through the 600 shots (5 seconds)) to find the best one... delete the rest.. photography has become a game of "hold the button and hope" it seems!!
Compact cameras from the 90's already had good exposure, specially with the latitude film had, and the AF was good enough when you also take into account the lenses they used.
Sorry, but getting a sharp and well exposed image is not a new thing.
Technology isn't increasing creativity. It's just bringing more creative people to the conversation.
And what's funny is that is pushing the non creative technicians away. Mastering some technique is no longer enough.
Kharan: 1) I think the camera’s cool, but… wasn’t this sensor better suited to an FX-something? I understand stacked sensors are a compromise, and in that sense, maybe they’re a better one for stills photography? The DR hit won’t be small. As it is, it’s absolutely pigeon-holed for sports/wildlife.
2) Those FW updates are coming like two years late, but at least they incorporate some cutting edge stuff, and aren’t just bringing two very expensive bodies back to spec. Still, Sony budged only after a LOT of pressure; they need to get back to their previous, customer-focused attitude.
3) The new lens is AWESOME. Anyone have $5,000 laying around that they can loan me? I’ll pay for the other $990 myself, don’t worry 🤣
Kharan, no, It's very, very different.
With the ND you reduce the total light input, including the flash. With a fast shutter speed you only reduce the light input of the continuous light but the flash is still the same. Totally different results. You're thinking about apertures, I'm thinking about light.
IE.
You have a 100w flash that shooting full power will give you the perfect light at iso100 f2.
You're outside on a sunny day, and to shoot at iso100 f2 you need to be at 1/3200, but your sync speed is 1/200.
Now you have 3 options that don't work. You can put a 4stop ND. But if you use a 4 stop ND, the 100w flash won't be strong enough. You'd need a 800w flash for that because the ND also reduces the light from the flash.
You can close the aperture 4 stops to f8, but again, you'd need a 800w flash.
Or you can try HSS at 1/3200, but you won't get full power from the flash, so it won't work.
With the global shutter you just set the camera to 1/4000 and it works.
Georgeee: With the global shutter, the shooting can completely silent I assume. But none has mentioned it or I missed it.
With fully Electronic shutter that's already the case, so it's not something new.
Husband80: I have read and watched a lot about this camera. Except from 120 fps for 1.6 seconds and 1/80000 sec (under certain circumstances), what are the major advantages of this over A1 and Z8/9 and R3? These camera already have very high readout speed.
Flash sync in daylight. For a lot of wedding, portrait and fashion photographers this is a massive advantage over any other camera on the market.
Kharan: 1) I think the camera’s cool, but… wasn’t this sensor better suited to an FX-something? I understand stacked sensors are a compromise, and in that sense, maybe they’re a better one for stills photography? The DR hit won’t be small. As it is, it’s absolutely pigeon-holed for sports/wildlife.
2) Those FW updates are coming like two years late, but at least they incorporate some cutting edge stuff, and aren’t just bringing two very expensive bodies back to spec. Still, Sony budged only after a LOT of pressure; they need to get back to their previous, customer-focused attitude.
3) The new lens is AWESOME. Anyone have $5,000 laying around that they can loan me? I’ll pay for the other $990 myself, don’t worry 🤣
Example:
Iso1000 f2 1/80.000 with global shutter
Iso 100 f11 1/250 with electrical shutter
You're gaining 8stops of light from your flash head for the same ambient exposure.
Kharan: 1) I think the camera’s cool, but… wasn’t this sensor better suited to an FX-something? I understand stacked sensors are a compromise, and in that sense, maybe they’re a better one for stills photography? The DR hit won’t be small. As it is, it’s absolutely pigeon-holed for sports/wildlife.
2) Those FW updates are coming like two years late, but at least they incorporate some cutting edge stuff, and aren’t just bringing two very expensive bodies back to spec. Still, Sony budged only after a LOT of pressure; they need to get back to their previous, customer-focused attitude.
3) The new lens is AWESOME. Anyone have $5,000 laying around that they can loan me? I’ll pay for the other $990 myself, don’t worry 🤣
Kharan ND filters also kill the power of the flash, not only of the ambient light.
This is totally different from the possibilities of ND filters. You'll be able to use less powerful flashes with much larger light modifiers and at bigger distances.
Shutter speed doesn't affect flash light,* so the max power of the flash is controlled by ISO and Aperture alone. If you can raise your iso and lower your aperture by using a much faster shutter speed, you're "gaining power" from your flash.
A cheap 100w flash that could only be used as a direct flash on a sunny day now has enough power to fill a large umbrella at half power.
Wedding photographers shooting large families can now have stunning studio light outside without having to find a way to power 1000w heads. Fashion and portrait photographers can now create beautiful soft light with much smaller setups and without having to worry about battery life, and getting much better recycling times...
A new world of possibilities...
gazza73: Anyone know if the global shutter work with flash sync too?
It does
razorfish: I want this for Sony. Sony needs to stop following and start innovating.
razorfish funny reading this comment only a couple of days later.