Sonny Camera

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I think all of us interested in buying a new camera are in agreement. We would rather have seen an A7R5. This is not something the Sony user base cannot afford or wants to pay for.
Give us an A7R5 or A74. Everyone is back to wishing and dreaming for cameras that may not be coming for awhile. Or like the A7000 and A99iii, ever.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 20:58 UTC as 186th comment | 5 replies
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onemoreguy: A lot of comments here are about the R5.
Clearly Canon really bothers Sony fanboys with that R5. Just wait for the R1. Lol
Oh I shoot Sony, but this fanboyism is just ridiculous. Anyway, good job Sony.

No rational person thinks the A1 competes with the R5.
In the spec that matters most the A1 loses badly. Price.
So the R5 will continue to out sell all other FF mirrorless cameras (when it’s in stock) and hardly anyone will buy the A1.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 20:48 UTC
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Photoman: Now Canon marketing ain’t going to be happy...a REAL 8K camera that does it job properly...tsk tsk marketing 😆

Have you seen what is the best selling camera everywhere?
That marketing sure works.
Ever see an A9 list as the best selling camera? Didn’t think so. This one won’t be either...ever.
A new A74 will take the top spot, but until then it’s going to be the R5.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 20:12 UTC
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JRFlorendo: AF Coverage: 100% vs 92%
AF Points: 1053pts vs 759pts
AF Sensitivity: -6EV vs -4.5EV
Buffer: 180ff raw vs 155ff raw
8K Color Space: 10bit 4.2.2 vs 8bit 4.2.0
8K Still Grabs: Yes vs No
8K down to 4K: Yes vs No
Overheats after 29 mins: Yes vs No(maybe)
Articulating Screen: Yes vs No
Price: 3.9k vs 6.5k

The R5 shoots 14 bit raw at 12 FPS. The A9ii shoots 12 bit raw at 20FPS (but with PDAF and artificial light artifacts)
The R5 also has near twice the pixels to go with the better quality stills.
And the R5 is $600 cheaper if you can find it.
It’s the top selling FF camera everywhere and has been for a while.
Mechanical shutter is always better than electronic shutter.
And the R1 Global shutter will be better than both.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 19:59 UTC
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Wide-Open: What most still don't understand is that Sony camera are not only good on paper but there bodies also live up the marketed specs and deliver in real life use, Just like A7siii 4K recording vs Canon R5's controversy.

Have you seen the A7siii video? It’s not even 4K in reality. You can sharpen it and trick people, but in the studio scene is ranks well below the A7iii 4K video.
And the A7siii doesn’t even offer 4K DCI or 17:9 4K even though the industry is moving to 2:1 and 21:9 video.

And did you see Sony doesn’t say you can get unlimited 8k video. They say up to 30 minutes while the R5 is up to 25 minutes now.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 19:25 UTC
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Kona Mike: For everyone complaining about price, expect more of that with each new mid/high/pro camera and lens released from here on out.

In a shrinking camera market, where they sell way less units, expect the unit price to increase. This is how they will stay profitable and keep supplying you with more nice equipment.

As the cameras become more complex, you should expect their price will keep pace as well. Each generation of camera has greatly increased the computing capacity and chip requirements, so to does the cost.

I expect the R5 price to drop.

It’s still better in a few ways (IBIS, 8K RAW internal, etc.)

So while the A1 is better in many ways, it’s not anything most want or need for the huge price difference.
In fact, many will laugh in your face at the suggestion of a $6500 camera.
So what we are seeing is boutique cameras that almost no one will buy.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 19:21 UTC
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Sonny Camera: LOL!!!!

Sony say only expect up to 30 minutes of 8k video. 8k that’s NOT RAW or even 4:2:2 bit.
They don’t say you will get 30 minutes only “up to”.
So about 6 minutes more than the R5 but a reduced quality.

Ouch.

And IBIS is still mostly useless during video.

It’s not the best $4000 can buy. Nor $5000. It’s not even the best $6000 can buy!😝

And I take the GFX100 over the A1 anyway. Twice the pixels with a lot more dynamic range.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 18:55 UTC
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JRFlorendo: AF Coverage: 100% vs 92%
AF Points: 1053pts vs 759pts
AF Sensitivity: -6EV vs -4.5EV
Buffer: 180ff raw vs 155ff raw
8K Color Space: 10bit 4.2.2 vs 8bit 4.2.0
8K Still Grabs: Yes vs No
8K down to 4K: Yes vs No
Overheats after 29 mins: Yes vs No(maybe)
Articulating Screen: Yes vs No
Price: 3.9k vs 6.5k

8 stops IBIS vs. 5.5 stops.

And I’d get the R5 for all the better Canon lenses.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 18:51 UTC

LOL!!!!

Sony say only expect up to 30 minutes of 8k video. 8k that’s NOT RAW or even 4:2:2 bit.
They don’t say you will get 30 minutes only “up to”.
So about 6 minutes more than the R5 but a reduced quality.

Ouch.

And IBIS is still mostly useless during video.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 18:50 UTC as 257th comment | 11 replies
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Sonny Camera: We were hoping for an 8k A7R5 that shot 20FPS. That idea seems dead. Sony is not going under cut this camera. So we are stuck with only this $6500 option for while.

And why can’t Sony improve IBIS? Still stuck at 5.5.

The $4500 A9ii was too expensive for most. This is $2000 more.
You are not going to buy one and neither am I.

A $3500 A7R5 would be a consideration though.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 18:39 UTC
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whitelens: Two years ago I switched from Nikon to Sony.
If I did not do it back then, I for sure would do it now!
And no, I do not need 50 MP or 30 FPS, but I WANT 50MP and 30 FPS and a great selection of NATIVE (no adaptor) lenses!

$6500 for camera. $500-$1000 for new vertical grip.
The camera only shoots 4:2:0 8K when competitors shoot RAW.
And IBIS is not competitive at only 5.5 stops, so forget slow hand held exposures.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 18:37 UTC

We were hoping for an 8k A7R5 that shot 20FPS. That idea seems dead. Sony is not going under cut this camera. So we are stuck with only this $6500 option for while.

And why can’t Sony improve IBIS? Still stuck at 5.5.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 18:34 UTC as 265th comment | 8 replies

Most Sony cameras don’t even support 17:9 video let alone 21:9.
The screen is smaller than my smartphone too.
I guess Sony is trying to find uses for all those old smartphones they could not sell.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 18:12 UTC as 58th comment | 1 reply

While it sounds like an amazing camera Sony is going to have some problems selling it. And remember the A9ii at $2000 was never a big seller.
First a good number of sports shooters just upgraded to the 1DX3. They are not going to up grade again.
Second, many of the people interested in this type of camera have already purchased the R5, or will choose the R5 because it is $2600 less. And by March if Canon can make enough, we might see the first price drop for the R5 (also a major FW update is coming in February).
Third, Canon is likely to announce the R1 before this goes on sale, and if the rumors are true about a global shutter and the specs, people with go with the Canon simply because of the name.

I still hold out hope for an updated A7R5 but I don’t think Sony wants more competition for the A1. There is already enough.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 18:08 UTC as 285th comment | 6 replies
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Sonny Camera: 5.5 stop IBIS
Yippee

No mention of 24p video. And no mention if it’s DCI 8k or only UHD 4K.
No mention of RAW video.

That’s internal or do you need to pay extra?

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 17:43 UTC
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QuietOC: Will it support screw-drive AF with the LA-EA5 adapter?

I thought not even the A9ii did and only 2 or 3 cameras were fully supported.

And the LA-EA5 doesn’t support AF during video at all for any camera.

Sony needs to fix that.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 17:42 UTC

5.5 stop IBIS
Yippee

No mention of 24p video. And no mention if it’s DCI 8k or only UHD 4K.
No mention of RAW video.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 17:39 UTC as 312th comment | 3 replies
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Wiel: Waaaw, what camera, now just wait for the a7iv and all the good things that come from the a1 to this one......

Yes, still waiting for the A7R5. Don’t think for a second Sony will sell something this year to take sales away from this though.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 17:34 UTC
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FlyinDoc: I'm a Sony shooter and this is the first camera I have no interest in buying. Overpriced and merely a spec war contest with the R5 - which costs a mere fraction of this.

No fully articulation screen and no mention of the quality of the rear screen, which was always a weakness. So, for professional movie making, what are they going to use? Buy the $2500 phone to monitor?

Truly, there are a lot of innovations and I hope they trickle down to the A7M4, but this seems a really niche camera at this price - a pure competitor to the 1DxM3. Non-pros can stay away. But I wonder if pros will look at this price and the A9ii at $4000 and pick this one.

Honestly there are a lot of us frustrated Sony buyers. Where is the A74 and A7R5?
This is a camera almost none of used wanted at that enormous price.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 17:29 UTC
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RhonaldJR: Very good camera for those who are willing to spend that much.

With Fujifilm GFX 100S set to be released tomorrow, most of the landscapers (who print big or do art photography) and studio photographers can go GFX (for that price point). For the rest (and the ones who don't want to bit the GFX due to the cost of their lenses), this is a really good option.

The price seems to be fine for the 1DX/D6 competitors. I don't think Canon is going any cheaper than this for their R1.

So your point is everyone will pick the R5 over the A1 because it’s about half the price while still doing some things like IBIS better.

Link | Posted on Jan 26, 2021 at 17:27 UTC
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