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Nien: Oh here we go. I have been reading articles with this same headline since the iphone 4. I can even remember when the first iphone picture of a photo journalist in some war zone won a prize, which was the very first time this happened.
And ever since, bloggers and writers in general just keep publishing the same crap - oh now phones can take such cool pics ohh ohhhh no more need for camera ohhhh, look, comutational photography, ohhh look hdr ++++++ ohhhh.
This is just pathetic. Phone pictures will keep getting better and that's cool. But it is different than a specialized camera. How hard is that concept?
Sensationalism is the cancer of modern news. I seriously can't understand how is it even possible for an editor to approve so much bull chit.
Well, that is the same point since the birth of the camera phones. Nobody needs an article that says "Real Pro Photography" which is absolutely subjective for that. Comparisons between phone cameras are useful to choose it wisely. But things like "It achieves images previously only seen in dedicated cameras" is the most useless repeated thing ever. Journalism without adequate moderation is like sharing gossip and calling it information. In a world where reading time is more valuable than ever and we are flooded with useless content, having this published here is almost an insult to our brains.
Oh here we go. I have been reading articles with this same headline since the iphone 4. I can even remember when the first iphone picture of a photo journalist in some war zone won a prize, which was the very first time this happened.
And ever since, bloggers and writers in general just keep publishing the same crap - oh now phones can take such cool pics ohh ohhhh no more need for camera ohhhh, look, comutational photography, ohhh look hdr ++++++ ohhhh.
This is just pathetic. Phone pictures will keep getting better and that's cool. But it is different than a specialized camera. How hard is that concept?
Sensationalism is the cancer of modern news. I seriously can't understand how is it even possible for an editor to approve so much bull chit.
Insert "but why" meme here
I love it how 99% of the comments are complaining about methodology or stating that all phones have great cameras or that quality doesn't matter. When the recent DP Review posts about other phones are full of comments like "this camera phone is certainly the best" and bla bla bla.
Fanboys will be fanboys. Haters are going to hate. Few people actually have the decency and enough brain function to acknowledge that each test, each opinion has it's value and different results. That there will be different winners in different methodologies.
We learn more about how people are stupid in these forums than about cameras. Which is naturally obvious.
Reactive: This is a very loose type of comparison, but the concept is great. Really makes me wonder why DP Review doesn't do exactly the same type of test but with some more scientific methodology?
COME ON DP REVIEW! Stop all the contentious click-bait phone articles and give us a proper blind test!
Because obviously they would loose their Apple ass kissing sponsorship.
And the most annoying soundtrack oscar goes to...
"Create"
It's hard not to love that glass...
Nice range. Good noise.
Nien: Excelent image quality, great improvements, very cool body. Log shooting seems like a huge improvement. I found the pinks a bit over saturated but that might have been color grading in pos. Not sure exactly.
Then, that's a good thing, probably easy to adjust. Nice.
Personal question - did you survive the Leica seduction or you ended up returning home a few (?) thousand dollars poorer?
martindpr: A great lens on a great little camera. I like those colors a lot, remind me of Leica M8. Notice the lack of CA in high contrast scenes wide open. The key question is whether the price is right? For a stills camera - no. I wouldn't pay more than $1200. For a video camera I guess it's worth the money.
CA in sigma lenses is usually very well controlled. I strongly recommend their glass.
Photodog2: Unquestionably takes better cat pictures than the SL2. I'm waiting for my favorite puppy's photos to make a final verdict.
You made a very good point. I think this is possibly (I don't know all details yet) the best ff portable camera. Sigma sensors are great and the lenses perfect. Hard to beat that combination in such a small body.
Mateus1: Really nice hybrid cam but with strange conception - no EVF means no serious for stills, and fixed LCD = not tempting for many video shooters who do not want to use external LCD.
"no evf means no serious for stills"
Sounds like some magic rule. So, even a great photographer can't do a good job because the lack of EVF/OVF? Sounds pretty lame to me.
Image quality looks great but why pick a contemporary lens for this test? Looks like sharpness could be better. At least, sigma lenses in general are great.
tabbyarthur: The out of focus area is pretty nice!
Indeed! Best blurry background per square inch of camera body size I've seen. Really impressive.
Excelent image quality, great improvements, very cool body. Log shooting seems like a huge improvement. I found the pinks a bit over saturated but that might have been color grading in pos. Not sure exactly.
Lessiter: I almost stood up when Jordan came on. The IQ of that shot is incredible. That cine lens sure is something. The lighting conditions were obviously very good but still. The usual dpreview videos don't look like that!
https://youtu.be/ajCU94KAUzU?t=506
That is very accurate. I agree completely.
Bezbozny: this is probably a stupid question but i ll ask it anyway.
About the 30x magnification for accurate focusing.... Shouldn t the focus for stars be the infinity?
Lots of comments that didn't even try to help the guy. @Bezbozny, it should from a general physics point of view. In the real life experience, when focussing on stars, you can actually go past it or before it as with any normal object because the lenses are able to focus past infinity, which is a good thing. Also, not all celestial objects are exactly in the same focus plane, depending on what you want to shoot. Point your camera to the moon one day and you will see how easily it is to miss manual focus (past or before it). So indeed, this helps a lot.
Can someone explain what was done to the colours in pp?
Nien: I like the Olympus gear a lot. But seeing them reducing material quality while Fuji just announced a Titanium X-Pro3 feel so much like a suicidal movement that I am seriously disappointed AND worried about their future steps. They've been very quiet and this product is clearly a step back.
@ozturert, we both know that your comment is an extrapolation. Clearly, that was not what I meant with my original comment. I used that as an example to illustrate the notion that - a strong competitor is stepping up their body build when Olympus seems to be stepping down, in terms of resistance.
This per se, is not the biggest issue. The issue is the subtle message that they are reducing costs, which does in fact raises concerns, considering the competitiveness of the market nowadays.
Also, just a quick comparison, the very well built X-T3 is 1300 USD and the X-T30 is 800 USD. Huge value for money.