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Jus in time for the Leica person to take photos and movies to view in HDR in the new Leica Cine 1. An ad for it showed up on my DPR home page and I regret clicking on it. :). The price is actually reasonable. What's the world coming to?
Today's top phones are the best point-and-shoot cameras ever. And next year's phones will be better still, year after that even better, so forth and so on. Limitations are the same as old PS cameras: small sensors and lenses. Phones try to make up for it by sheer computer processing power straight-out-of-device and multi-shot techniques. Smartphone shooters are satisfied by the results. Old-timers like us can tell the difference but will most of the younger generation be able to or care. Aesthetic taste and trends change over time and don't stay still. One example is that these ultra-wide angle shots are now accepted as the norm whereas they used to be a much smaller percentage of images taken and shared.
This is what happens when you let engineers loose in a company without adult supervision. They'll come up with a technology marvel for a very small market segment that is overpriced and over-featured for most people. Meanwhile where is the E-m5 mark 3? Pdaf in the pen-f? 20mp sensor in the E-m10 and epl lines? Good pancake primes? Profits for the shareholders?
Jacques Cornell: I'm surprised DPR has overlooked the amazing prices on Panasonic GX85 kits. You can get a GX85 with 12-32 and 45-150 zooms for $500. Now that's a steal.
Second that. I got this package last April through dumb luck. I traveled for a business meeting and wanted to do some tourism but forgot to bring anything other than my phone for photography. So I went to the local camera store, w/c shall go unnamed, and found this deal for the GX85. They were clearing inventory and it wasn't even advertised because it would violate Panasonic's pricing policy. I've taken more than a thousand pics and videos since then.
Bmark: That is no surprise, pretty much any competent camera and lens combination could capture those images. When I shot Alaskan bears I used both a D800 and D810 along side people that were using D5s and D500s. They probably got a few different poses because of their faster frame rate and larger buffers. But I think my images are every bit as good as what you have posted in this article. And at the time I was shooting a 400 f2.8 and the 200-500 and Sony did not have anything in that category for their A9. https://markburgess.zenfolio.com/p531239040
That's why this article came out. It is to point out that Sony now has the lenses for this type of photography in addition to the bodies.
Looks like a nice summer holiday was had by all and the photos look better than any cell phone could have done. Mission accomplished - for anyone who has 3k+ for a camera in the tough category.
Straw man...no one has ever said the D850 is a sign of Nikon on the ropes. It is undisputed that Nikon knows how to design cameras and dslrs in particular. Although the jury is still out about QC. What has concerned people is Nikon's long-term future because of their lack of action on mirrorless - so far. Every Nikon fan and that includes me expected the D850. What was unexpected was the pricing which does indicate the pressure on Nikon but which turns out to be good for the consumer. Contrast that to Sony - and I'm a Sony fan too - which has tactically decided - thus far - to go the opposite way in terms of pricing.
quintana: I don't want to know how sluggish Lightroom will get with such a huge megapixel count.
It's already pretty slow with the 36 MP of my D810 and I use a pretty fast i5 with 16 GB of RAM and an M.2 SSD.
Or stop using Lightroom.
dansclic: Nomore necessary to buy à fuji gfx for twice the price....
I tried to take pictures with a rumor yesterday...it didn't work.
CallumG: Good thing I was planning to upgrade my CPU! Can't imagine what RAW's will be like, and how big they'll be.
I can't tell from the exif but others may want to check with other software,
Which begs the question of why $6,000 cameras have LCD screens that are worse quality, less functionality and smaller than the screens of $150 smart phones.
fedway: I just converted some D850 raws from the Web on rawtherapee. Wow! It's as if I just cleaned my glasses. No surprise, it also looks like Nikon used some of their best lenses on their official samples. Put an Otus in front and I would like to see that output.
Add: just from limited playing around, it looks like ISO2500 is about as clean as ISO100. We might have the new iso invariance champ. Be interesting to see when DPR tests it.
CallumG: Good thing I was planning to upgrade my CPU! Can't imagine what RAW's will be like, and how big they'll be.
The raws from the Web are around high 50s to low 70s MB.
I just converted some D850 raws from the Web on rawtherapee. Wow! It's as if I just cleaned my glasses. No surprise, it also looks like Nikon used some of their best lenses on their official samples. Put an Otus in front and I would like to see that output.
princecody: Is Nikon superior over Canon these days 🤔
Correction-for most things yes including pricing.
Photographyblog site has D850 raws for your PPleasure. I'm not connected with them, all you need to do is google D850 sample raw images. Edit: I just saw that the link was already posted below. Apologies.
Marty4650: I'm glad Nikon "pulled out all stops" since $3,300 is a lot of money.
Even today.
Your eyes see what you want to see. Applies to everyone.
Steve Bingham: Pretty worthless test. Is your monitor calibrated? Is it calibrated correctly? Have you had a great deal of experience calibrating monitors? The monitor you use and how you have it calibrated will determine your likes and dislikes far more than your choice of camera bodies. And then there is the lens you use? Does it have a color cast? Most do, to some degree or another. Again, a totally worthless test. Blind test indeed!!!!!
Different displays plus different eyes plus different brains behind the eyes.
Terry Breedlove: Neither of these cameras are meant to be a portrait camera right. They would be better testing them doing what they are good at Sports and wildlife maybe. Non of them hold a candle to the Nikon D810 when it comes to portraits and Canon has always been very strong with great skin tones.
They are certainly heavily used by wedding and event photographers not just sports and wildlife so skin tones are also important.
Mine came out Nikon, Sony, Canon. I wonder if that's because I shoot Nikon and Sony not Canon and I'm just more used to the rendering. I've actually been considering getting a Canon body due to its reputation as having better color for skin. Not to replace but just to add to my GAS collection.