TrojMacReady

TrojMacReady

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Life recorder: "Most of the mirrorless shipments are going to the Asia region, though, which still accounts for more than 50 percent of all mirrorless cameras shipped"

And we know last year with only a couple mirrorless ILC bodies, Canon outsold BOTH Sony's aspc AND ff mirrorless offerings in Japan.

Can Canon keep that up with only a couple basic models? And what happens to Sony next year when both Canon and Nikon enter the FF mirrorless market?

We can criticize Canon all we want, but they are still dominating everyone else.

Funny because some of the hardcore Canon loyalists in this very thread have posted Amazon lists as... exactly such "proof". You know who you are.

But it's not just Amazon, it's Sony's own words that back up their relative growth of success in the USA and the same message came from for example Lensrentals:
https://petapixel.com/2017/10/26/sony-now-popular-nikon-lensrentals/

Obviously, none of that, or anything for that matter, will ever convince hardcore detractors.

Link | Posted on Dec 7, 2017 at 23:29 UTC
On article Nikon D850 vs Sony a7R III: Which is best? (1037 comments in total)
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John Koerner: Actually, the conclusion is false. They rate the lens availability as equal, which is a joke. Sony only has a bare-bones lens profile, and nothing that can come close to matching Nikkor's super-telephoto lens profile. Not by a country mile.

The AF acquisition of difficult subjects decidedly goes to Nikon, while the 'eye focus' of Sony for human portraits is overrated.

To compare the functionality of the menus, etc. as 'even' is also false, as 100% of users favor this to Nikon.

They didn't even discuss the ergonomics, where Nikon wins by another country mile.

The tiny bodies of mirrorless, used on heavy glass, is an impediment, not a virtue. The claim of "less weight" is a myth, given the hungus glass Sony keeps putting out.

If 100 photographers were asked to hold a camera all-day, shooting top-tier glass, 100% would find the curved shape/grip of the D850 to be more comfortable and better suited to serious use ... than the thin/dinky, right-angled Sony.

" To make it fair and make it an equal comparison, you can check the lenses sharpness by using the Sony A7rI vs. the Nikon D810, which are both 36 megapixels, once you do this you will find that the Nikon lenses outperform the Sony equivalents"

No they don't. Some do, but most of the new Sony glass actually performs quite a bit better on a similar sensor.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2017 at 21:43 UTC
On article Nikon D850 vs Sony a7R III: Which is best? (1037 comments in total)
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Matt_Anderson: I sold all my Nikon gear after comparing the two systems for a three week trip.
14-24, 24-70, 70-200, 200-500, 85/1.4, 50/1.4Art all sold.
Really happy with Sony A7R316-35, 24-105, 100-400, 85/1.8, and hopefully a Sigma FE optimized 35/1.4 art in the future.
My fstop backpack went from 35lbs to less than 20lbs with the system switch.

Nothing against Nikon, I’ve be en shooting Nikon for ten years, but after comparing the two, Sony clearly feels more modern and the results are every bit as good. My keeper rate, equally good. And I really love the smaller form body.

Don't be sorry for someone actually being happy with the choice they made. If it makes you feel sorry he did, your loss.

Even in the scenario where he would have gone with lenses covering a similar range and apertures on the Nikon, the total weight would have been 8% higher, including extra spare batteries that.. he doesn't need. And many of those Nikon lenses would simply not be up to the resolving standards of the Sony equivalents, let alone what the D850 can do. Meaning, you would have to invest in more/other heavier glass to get similar resolving powers and other optical qualities. Which brings him closer to his starting point and that brings me exactly back to my point above.

" all of the new Sony lenses are as heavy or heavier"
False. 3 of the 4 Sony lenses he mentioned are lighter than the closest Nikon equivalents (which in are on average 10% heavier) and the D850 is still 39% heavier too.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2017 at 21:19 UTC
On article Nikon D850 vs Sony a7R III: Which is best? (1037 comments in total)
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Matt_Anderson: I sold all my Nikon gear after comparing the two systems for a three week trip.
14-24, 24-70, 70-200, 200-500, 85/1.4, 50/1.4Art all sold.
Really happy with Sony A7R316-35, 24-105, 100-400, 85/1.8, and hopefully a Sigma FE optimized 35/1.4 art in the future.
My fstop backpack went from 35lbs to less than 20lbs with the system switch.

Nothing against Nikon, I’ve be en shooting Nikon for ten years, but after comparing the two, Sony clearly feels more modern and the results are every bit as good. My keeper rate, equally good. And I really love the smaller form body.

No you don't, not if those extra batteries were dead weight to begin with, simply because you never required them.

The same goes for the lens comparison. In the real world comparisons can be totally different, when based on your requirements, lower tier lenses (or lenses covering different FL's) from brand B, offer for example similar sharpness as higher tier lenses from brand A, while still doing everything else you need. If you never needed the larger aperture or certain FL's that came along with it => more space, money and weight saved.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2017 at 20:45 UTC
On article Nikon D850 vs Sony a7R III: Which is best? (1037 comments in total)
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Richard-on-Thames: Well Ok, my two cents:

What you see in the evf of the Sony is a jpeg simulation. What you see in the ovf of the Nikon is the scene itself, with which the photographer is (supposed to be) engaging. The evf element of wysiwyg only applies to photographers that aren’t equipped to visualise the photograph they are making – but need the machine to help them to be a photographer.

DSLR is a proper camera requiring photographic knowledge, Sony gadgets are for those who don’t really understand the connection between the photographer and the subject.

The DSLR (or medium format / large format film cameras) will always be the choice of educated photographers.

As I said – just my two cents - ;)

No, no, Richard edits and prints with his eyes closed and when the printer grows silent, only then he will see his majestic efforts that he visualized through the optically (filtered) viewfinder. That's a real "pro" for you.

Have I told you about his video pro workflow? He does it without any framing and visual judgement of output whatsoever. His eyes are his frame and the ultimate judge. Terminator style.

The doorbell, his mom with what looks like a lunchbox.

;-)

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2017 at 06:53 UTC
On article Nikon D850 vs Sony a7R III: Which is best? (1037 comments in total)
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junk1: I surmise Nikon FF cameras still have more Nikon lenses available (than Sony has) and perhaps more 3rd party support Nikon than Sony?
And what about accessories - flashes?

Two thirds of the Nikon glass is not even on Nikon's own recommended list for the D850, for resolution and other reasons.

Link | Posted on Dec 5, 2017 at 21:48 UTC
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Life recorder: "Most of the mirrorless shipments are going to the Asia region, though, which still accounts for more than 50 percent of all mirrorless cameras shipped"

And we know last year with only a couple mirrorless ILC bodies, Canon outsold BOTH Sony's aspc AND ff mirrorless offerings in Japan.

Can Canon keep that up with only a couple basic models? And what happens to Sony next year when both Canon and Nikon enter the FF mirrorless market?

We can criticize Canon all we want, but they are still dominating everyone else.

Asia in this context (the statistical analysis mentioned) excludes Japan (which is mentioned separately). So those Japan numbers are not too relevant to begin with, not in the least because the rest of Asia saw 4 times larger shipments than Japan during the same period and on a world scale Japan accounted for just 8% of all sales.

Link | Posted on Dec 4, 2017 at 22:12 UTC
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LessMirrored19: The Nikon D850 and the Song A7RIII are both fantastic cameras, no doubt. You could take amazing photographs with either....
* Get the Sony a7r3 if you want :
- Ibis
- pixel shift
- form factor
- EVF
- e-shutter
- video capabilities
- AF features and capabilities
* Get the Nikon d850 if you want :
- ergonomics
- lenses lineup
- battery life

Gotta love the deflection towards a camera this wasn't about to begin with (A9).

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 14:46 UTC
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random78: Once again the DxoMark 'score' hides away the more useful information contained in their measurement graphs. If you look at the graphs the A7R III sensor performs slightly better than D850 across the ISO range. The SNR for A7rIII is better throughout the ISO range, the Dynamic Range is better at most of the ISOs and so on. The only trick that D850 has up its sleeves is the ISO 32 mode but even that only gives 0.11 EV higher dynamic range compared to A7RIII at ISO 100. So overall A7RIII seems the superior sensor though not by a huge margin.

Not just one particular snippet. Basically *all* shadow areas in the low light scene (hit the light bulb at the top, which mimics light that is shorter in the blue spectrum).

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 07:05 UTC
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vesa1tahti: But OVF is more reliable than EVF. And much more convenient to use. So, Nikon rules.

@fluppeteer:
" And then the image tonality is changed?"

Yes, but you also wrote:
"but since I usually do significant tonal editing"

At which point the usefulness of " correctly" displaying reality becomes a little moot.

Link | Posted on Nov 28, 2017 at 21:12 UTC
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vesa1tahti: But OVF is more reliable than EVF. And much more convenient to use. So, Nikon rules.

Using the Log preview, the EVF can show a larger DR too.

Link | Posted on Nov 28, 2017 at 20:21 UTC
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random78: Once again the DxoMark 'score' hides away the more useful information contained in their measurement graphs. If you look at the graphs the A7R III sensor performs slightly better than D850 across the ISO range. The SNR for A7rIII is better throughout the ISO range, the Dynamic Range is better at most of the ISOs and so on. The only trick that D850 has up its sleeves is the ISO 32 mode but even that only gives 0.11 EV higher dynamic range compared to A7RIII at ISO 100. So overall A7RIII seems the superior sensor though not by a huge margin.

I do see a very perceptible difference:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=nikon_d850&attr13_1=sony_a7riii&attr13_2=nikon_d850&attr13_3=sony_a7riii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_1=1&attr171_0=2&attr171_1=2&attr171_2=2&attr171_3=2&normalization=compare&widget=554&x=-0.19561091606668832&y=-0.8643480307170809

Link | Posted on Nov 28, 2017 at 20:18 UTC
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LessMirrored19: The Nikon D850 and the Song A7RIII are both fantastic cameras, no doubt. You could take amazing photographs with either....
* Get the Sony a7r3 if you want :
- Ibis
- pixel shift
- form factor
- EVF
- e-shutter
- video capabilities
- AF features and capabilities
* Get the Nikon d850 if you want :
- ergonomics
- lenses lineup
- battery life

The D850 actually has a smaller viewfinder (0.75x vs 0.78x) with a lower eyepoint (17mm vs 23mm).

Link | Posted on Nov 28, 2017 at 18:49 UTC
On article Sony a7R III added to studio scene comparison (453 comments in total)
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Azathothh: The A7rmk3 is noisier at high ISO than a 5DkmIV, even when viewing at comparable sizes.

And this isn't really unexpected, if you look at the DR graphs on DXOmark where at ISO12800, the A7RII already had up to 0.5EV advantage over the Canon (in terms of shadow noise) and the A7RIII seems to improve a little again over the older Sony, improving that to almost about a stop in the low light shadows of actual images.

And it's not that the A7RIII (or Adobe really...) is trying to hide noise with a different gamma curve, because if you compare the ISO6400 crop from the 5DMKIV above with that from the ISO12800 shot from the A7RIII, the RGB values in the darkest areas are nearly identical, where as it's the ISO12800 shot from the Canon that shows on average brighter shadows instead, mostly because of the increased noise and a drifting black point (those two often go hand in hand after a certain threshold).

Link | Posted on Nov 19, 2017 at 01:13 UTC
On article Sony a7R III added to studio scene comparison (453 comments in total)
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Azathothh: The A7rmk3 is noisier at high ISO than a 5DkmIV, even when viewing at comparable sizes.

Regardless of " tints", there's simply quite a bit more shadow noise in low light high ISO shots from the 5DmkIV, where ISO 12800 from the A7RIII looks more like ISO 6400 from the 5DMKIV.

Those darker shadows are usually the most limiting factor in low light shooting, A because they tend to be rather ... prominent in pictures and B, because the exhibit the most noise in general and C because they are the hardest to clean without affecting (lower contrast) detail too much.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a7riii&attr13_1=canon_eos5dmkiv&attr13_2=canon_eos5dmkiv&attr13_3=sony_a7rii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.1250877363673263&y=-1.0187377345045905

Set both back to ISO 12800 and you'll see that the letters on the bottle become much harder to read on the Canon image, due to noise.

Link | Posted on Nov 19, 2017 at 01:10 UTC
On article Sony a7R III added to studio scene comparison (453 comments in total)

Everything as expected (mostly similar to the A7RII, minus variations due to probably the lens used), except this:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a7riii&attr13_1=nikon_d850&attr13_2=sony_a7rii&attr13_3=sony_a7sii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.16847859095050105&y=-0.9019021739130434

Seems like a nice shadow noise improvement still, creeping closer towards the A7S(II) in this area as well (the last still imaging stronghold of that sensor).

The difference is even much more pronounced at ISO 51200 and its top ISO (102k), but here the addition of the usual RAW NR muddies the waters of most of these sensors.

Link | Posted on Nov 17, 2017 at 22:37 UTC as 38th comment
On article Sony a7R III added to studio scene comparison (453 comments in total)
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lensberg: The Sony A7 III .... The undisputed king of kings.

If the D850 was supposedly putting in a medium format equalling performance - This beast just trounces the competition. Always knew this sensor was superior to the D850's sensor.

Just waiting for Canon's response.

You can't compare sensor sharpness without taking lenses out of the equation first. At best, you can compare sensor noise.

Here the mkIII seems similar to the mkII, minus maybe shadow noise in low light, where it's now approaching A7S II levels:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a7riii&attr13_1=nikon_d850&attr13_2=sony_a7rii&attr13_3=sony_a7sii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.16847859095050105&y=-0.9019021739130434

Link | Posted on Nov 17, 2017 at 22:32 UTC
On article Sony a7R III added to studio scene comparison (453 comments in total)
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Sdaniella: using just limited reference exemplar:

"best IQ resolution at base unboosted ISO" jpegs straight ooc is not adequate
nor
"best DR at base unboosted ISO" raw pp to fix-it-afterwards is not adequate

there are other reference exemplars that matter to far more endusers
and that is "practical immediacy" of:
"best IQ resolution at progressively higher ISOs as light progressively diminishes"
until
"any+all undesireable digital artifacts spoiling IQ resolution become unacceptable"
more so jpegs ooc, than "fix-it-too-late" raw

with the latter "practical immediacy" reference exemplar
i've been using 20mp+ FF Canon EOS 6D ISO 12,800 as my "acceptable minimum norm"

any+all others must exceed it, 20mp or higher, ISO 12,800 or higher, jpeg first, raw always second, and CLEAN UPSCALABILITY (NO downscaling shenanigans), in order to gain my due attention
otherwise, failing my minimum "reference norm" requirements, the other candidates instantly drop from any consideration

So your "reference" tells us that you like mushy detail from noise reduction, even in higher contrast areas and at base ISO (green detail gets destroyed at all ISO's) and thick Canon sharpening halos.

Someone had to translate that to make it readable. ;-)

Link | Posted on Nov 17, 2017 at 22:19 UTC
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janist74: My Galaxy S8 has no such issues....

@Capi:

No they don't. You have 4 profiles to choose from, one accurately matching sRGB, one Adobe RGB, one DCI P3 and one that is indeed oversaturated, exploiting the full capabilities of the OLED gamut at the cost of accuracy.

But even if you choose the latter, when you for example display supported HDR video material, the phone still switches to the calibrated P3 profile, unless you manually override it with a software switch.

This myth was put to bed many years ago when the choice for calibrated profiles was made available.

Link | Posted on Nov 9, 2017 at 22:37 UTC
On article First iPhone X hands-on field test with sample photos (386 comments in total)
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supeyugin1: IPhone is copying Samsung now: bezel-less design, and both lenses have OIS now. Also the screen size, wireless charging, finally an AMOLED screen and Gorilla Glass. Everything is like 3 years late to the game. The only things left are USB-C, headphone jack and SD card slot. Dual SIM will also help. Switch to Android, and you gonna be OK second tier phone like LG or HTC. Bravo Apple, you're getting there!

It's clear that someone in here hasn't used a Samsung phone in years. Their calibration is top notch when using the right profile (sRGB, Adobe RGB or DCI P3) and they have been well calibrated for at least 3 years. Their white balance has been closer to 6500K than Apple's (too blue) for years too.

And no the X is not closer to being bezelless, even if fake renders want to make you believe so. The actual bezels are 3 times thicker all around than the promotional material shows. Which leads to a smaller screen to body ratio than say an S8 or Note 8. Simple math.

Link | Posted on Nov 1, 2017 at 16:44 UTC
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