tkbslc

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On article Sony announces Cyber-shot RX100 VI with 24-200mm zoom (756 comments in total)
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Rensol: Did you try to use any of previous models in windy weather on beach?
One-two days and they get sand into lens assembly.
It happened to all of m1 m2 m3 m5 i had before as well as happening now with panas 1000.
More flimzy rectracting sections lens has = less perfect it will keep its alignment.
In my understanding $1200 camera must me durable as well and not just innovative!
For those who say that built is just fine do a simple test
Go to your camera store. Fully retract the lens. Slightly push front part right and left.
Hiw many mm it moved? 3-4mm?
For the lens this size it is a disaster. They are built to fail in couple uears of occasionall use.
And you will pay for it.... because you can afford to
:)

It's always windy at the beach, isn't it?

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:55 UTC
On article Sony announces Cyber-shot RX100 VI with 24-200mm zoom (756 comments in total)
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tkbslc: If it's not going to be good in low light, and not let you really control DOF, why pay for the large sensor? Same question I ask about the ZS100/200. If you want a daylight camera with crazy zoom range, we have dozens of those with 1/2.3" sensors for 30% of the price.

I guess, but $900 is a lot to pay for marginally more DR.

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:29 UTC
On article Sony announces Cyber-shot RX100 VI with 24-200mm zoom (756 comments in total)
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Big Stick: While Sony's raking in the profits, Nikon's biggest claim to fame in this 1" segment is its shelved DL line.

Talk about turning tail and running!

And?

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:28 UTC
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ottonis: I am not sure that trading aperture for longer zoom reach in an ultra compact camera was the right decision.
Nowadays, camera phones do already cover a 3× optical and 5x (hybrid) zoom, covering ranges between 26-100 mm. (The Huawei P20 pro does that).
Now, the main distinguishing factor between a high end cameraphone and dedicated camera is always going to be IQ and DoF and range. Sony has now tried to increase the range at the cost of DoF and IQ (less light = more noise = lower IQ).
Sorry, but who is going to carry a second camera alongside a cameraphone just to increase the range from 100 mm to 200 mm? Maybe only if you plan on doing sports photigraphy, but even then you might rather want to get a really capable action shiiting camera instead of an RX100.
Instead, I would have tried to increase the long end max to 100 mm while doing some clever hacks to the optics in order to maintain wide aperture.

I don't think that they are the same kind of customer.

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:19 UTC
On article Sony announces Cyber-shot RX100 VI with 24-200mm zoom (756 comments in total)

If it's not going to be good in low light, and not let you really control DOF, why pay for the large sensor? Same question I ask about the ZS100/200. If you want a daylight camera with crazy zoom range, we have dozens of those with 1/2.3" sensors for 30% of the price.

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:12 UTC as 137th comment | 9 replies
On article Sony announces Cyber-shot RX100 VI with 24-200mm zoom (756 comments in total)
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ottonis: I am not sure that trading aperture for longer zoom reach in an ultra compact camera was the right decision.
Nowadays, camera phones do already cover a 3× optical and 5x (hybrid) zoom, covering ranges between 26-100 mm. (The Huawei P20 pro does that).
Now, the main distinguishing factor between a high end cameraphone and dedicated camera is always going to be IQ and DoF and range. Sony has now tried to increase the range at the cost of DoF and IQ (less light = more noise = lower IQ).
Sorry, but who is going to carry a second camera alongside a cameraphone just to increase the range from 100 mm to 200 mm? Maybe only if you plan on doing sports photigraphy, but even then you might rather want to get a really capable action shiiting camera instead of an RX100.
Instead, I would have tried to increase the long end max to 100 mm while doing some clever hacks to the optics in order to maintain wide aperture.

You basically described the G7X II with your last sentence... :)

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:11 UTC
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matthew saville: Whoever did the market research that told them a SLOWER, 24-200 equivalent superzoom lens would be more successful than an even faster 24-70 lens, (like the Panasonic LX10's f/1.4 at the wide end) ...I hate you.

I want a 35mm f1.2 with an optical finder on my custom RX100 model.

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:07 UTC
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justmeMN: The Canadian price of this camera is loony. :-)

I think the price is a heavy bag of Loonies.

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:04 UTC
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ewelch: I have model III of this camera, and am constantly amazed at its performance. But $1,200? Nope. Not for a sensor that size.

Tell me another camera that is that expensive that will be as poor in low light scenarios?

Tell me of another camera that expensive that will eventually be killed by uncleanable dust?

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:03 UTC
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tkbslc: 2 concerns:

1) 1.5 stops slower than my G7X II on the wide-normal range means far less low-light ability - which is pretty essential while traveling.
2) Panasonic made a longer zoom 1" camera with an even slower aperture, and the lens was still very soft. What are the odds that Sony used a faster lens, and made it sharper?

Well, I appreciate the thoughtful replies, but I'll believe it when i see it. :)

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 17:00 UTC
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Barmaglot_07: ...and this marks the end of RX100 line being the delight of underwater photographers. This new lens, with external zoom, will be impossible to put into a housing.

They still sell the M1! :)

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 16:57 UTC
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LessMirrored19: 24-200mm in your pocket!! Crazy what Sony is doing
Just saw Manny Ortiz samples with rx100m6 😍😍

Panasonic has 24-360 in the same size. 24-900 is available with smaller sensors.

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 16:56 UTC
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LessMirrored19: Zs100 doesn't have phase detection AF , please stop comparing it with rx100m6 ...

ZS100 is literally 1/2 the price. It's okay if it's not 100% feature parity. They go after the same pool of customers.

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 16:55 UTC
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winkalman: Wow, I know camera companies are under pressure to move upmarket with higher margin products, but it will be interesting to see how long Sony can get away with bumping up the price on each new release.

MSRP at launch
RX100 $649
RX100 II $749
RX100 III $799
RX100 IV $999
RX100 V $999
RX100 VI $1,199

No competitor? Panasonic and Canon both make great 1" compacts. Fuji and Ricoh make great APS-C compacts (albeit with no zoom).

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 16:55 UTC
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GHPhotography: "24-200mm F2.8-4.5 zoom lens,"

NO. Just no.

Do not post the fake ("equivalent") focal length next to the actual f-stops. It's deceptive. This is an awesome looking premium shirt
pocket camera, but it does not have a 200mm f4.5.

Post the real focal length next to the f stop numbers.

real focal length doesn't make sense for compacts. The sensor size is not always apparent, and since the lens cannot be used on another camera, it is not very relevant.

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 16:52 UTC
On article Sony announces Cyber-shot RX100 VI with 24-200mm zoom (756 comments in total)

2 concerns:

1) 1.5 stops slower than my G7X II on the wide-normal range means far less low-light ability - which is pretty essential while traveling.
2) Panasonic made a longer zoom 1" camera with an even slower aperture, and the lens was still very soft. What are the odds that Sony used a faster lens, and made it sharper?

Link | Posted on Jun 5, 2018 at 15:31 UTC as 176th comment | 5 replies

I really think Olympus should release this in a kit with the 17mm f1.8 and that 17mm hot-shoe optical finder from the original E-P1 kit.

Link | Posted on Jun 2, 2018 at 03:33 UTC as 66th comment

I'm not ashamed to admit that I think that's a fantastic looking camera.

Link | Posted on Jun 2, 2018 at 02:20 UTC as 69th comment | 2 replies

I am more shocked that it was still being supported!

Link | Posted on May 31, 2018 at 17:01 UTC as 49th comment
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semorg: Silicon Valley is making the technology that will ultimately be used for evil and would make military and police state around the world more powerful.
This is all cool, but I know Pentagon generals and generals around the world are salivating to make a bigger version of this thing so they can put a gun on it.

That's why I mentioned the small one first.

Link | Posted on May 30, 2018 at 22:13 UTC
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