Preternatural Stuff

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gsum: No doubt the image quality and lenses will be of the usual high standard but no optical viewfinder and a plethora of 'features' such as the ridiculous touch screen.
Shame on Canon for producing another gimmick ridden toy.

@gsum - R u not capable of reading anything. There are the numerous hands-on videos for you gen-Youtube types.

A single touch on the touchscreen can focus AND shoot immediately if you choose to enable that. The touchscreen is the future & any Android user will understand that. Changes & improvements can be implemented with a download, not a new body. You can customize endlessly. Your face isn't plastered to the back of the camera, so if you are framing with the screen, the touchscreen IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO.

You're obviously still living in a cave.

All the idiots are complaining without reading the positive reviews of the UI & whining without having used them yet. Amazingly ludicrous. This is supposed to be a serious forum of repute?!

Regarding the common complaint that the price is high? Of course I'd like lower prices too. But blame it on M4/3 - the prices are ridiculous given the inferior quality !!!

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2012 at 02:58 UTC
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Sergey Borachev: This is the EOS-M killer!!

This is exactly what is needed by all those Canon owners who have been waiting for a Canon mirrorless camera and who are now giving up on Canon releasing anything worthwhile any time soon.

This Kipon adapter will allow all Canon EOS lenses to be mounted and therefore also stabilised on the Olympus E-M5, since a builtin IBIS should work with any lens.

Who is still going to buy the Canon EOS-M at $1000 apparently for the camera plus the Canon adapter now? How can such a basic camera sell? It was released apparently to target Canon owners who have Canon lenses, since no new buyers will buy such a camera, but this adapter is going to make it very hard to sell even to Canon owners.

"if this Kipon adapter works"

Who thinks it is going to provide full AF/AE performance with Canon's EF lenses? U gotta kidding me!

Link | Posted on Jul 30, 2012 at 08:04 UTC
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Preternatural Stuff: Look, I want all the camera manufacturers to buck up, but so much of the arguments here are just plain stupid.

"Pocketable or not" - Which mirrorless camera is pocketable with a lens attached (save for the smallest of pancake lenses)? To slam this product's largish sensor is stupid cos its a good thing.

"Cost" - Who wouldn't want things to be cheaper? Yet, there are idiots who claim the NEX or M4/3 is cheaper?
- Only the top of the line NEX has a better sensor & its more expensive by far.
- M4/3? Some bodies may be cheaper but all have inferior IQ, inferior noise & inferior resolution. The usual excuse that they come close is BS. Everything is similar if you print from at 4R or view at VGA resolution.
M4/3 lenses - Like I keep saying, only decent lenses are the primes. Zooms are crap & the pro zooms with large f2 apertures are so ridiculously large, heavy and expensive... don't get me started.

Not impressed with the value proposition of either NEX or M4/3.

To be continued...

@Plastek - So what's the point u're making?
Cheaper at what IQ level? "people telling facts"? I've done my sums & NEX or M4/3 with lens combos at the equivalent IQ levels cost no less! What facts do you have? Notice I've always been stressing apple-apple comparisons.

NEX 5 sensor is superb to you? Against what? U've downloaded the EOS-M samples yet?

NEX has more lenses? More than Canon's APS-C range? You gotta be having a laugh.
And when you throw in the entire EF range (plus the 2 STM ones)...

This pocketability thing is ridiculous. Didn't I just say anything with pancake lenses are the only to stuff mirrorless into pocket?

If you're such a cam-in-your-crotch fan, buy the STM with the EOS-M. V. few choices in pancake lenses across all brands, so its obviously a niche thing. I don't understand all that whining?

@999 - U're not getting it. NEX5 vs Nex7 is a reso-vs-noise compromise issue. Doesn't mean one sensor is better than another. But it means a larger sensor is always better.

Link | Posted on Jul 25, 2012 at 03:55 UTC
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Preternatural Stuff: "Size/weight" - Compare apples to apples pls, else its just stupid.
- EOS-M with STM pancake lens is as pocketable as anything on the market.
- with an APS-C lens, its no different from any NEX
- vis a vis a M4/3, it's an apple to orange comparison - an APS-C sensor with APS-C lenses or 35mm lenses offers superior IQ.

"IQ" - Don't kid me with stupid arguments that there is no difference between M4/3 & APS-C. Think the bokeh from a prime lens M4/3 is sweet? Think bokeh from an EF 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm on APS-C. Lenses u can get for a song & which are light and compact.

Back to the value proposition then. M4/3 being open standard & universal somehow manages to rip off consumers. Smaller size, lower material costs and lower IQ somehow equals high price? Why?

I hate the fact that Canon/Nikon are not offering consumers true value (i.e. no in-body image stabilization).

I hope for better value for consumers but for that to happen the quality of the arguments here have got to improve.

I find it ridiculous that there are arguments of top of the line M4/3 lens combos matching or beating consumer grade EFs. Are the ppl trying too hard or they trying to pull a fast one.

Really? M4/3 f1.4 having better IQ & bokeh? M4/3 f1.4 does not have the same shallow depth of field of an 35mm format f1.4 (even on APS-C). Its just physics, not opinion.

@Andy Crowe - M4/3 users like yrself try too hard to make M4/3 sound as good as APS-C, evidenced by yr bringing in of something totally irrelevant - comparisons against full-frame! What?
U make generalist comments like M4/3 lenses are "best in class". Nonsense, there are crap kit lenses and zoom lenses with the M4/3, so don't kid me! Like I KEEP SAYING - only the top M4/3 primes are any good & they cost no less than the top 35mm format ones. Value in M4/3 - never felt so!

4. "This ... sensor is a dog of a sensor, easily matched by 4/3 and even the Nikon 1 sensor."
- Exactly the kind of gibberish I mentioned blighting this thread.

Link | Posted on Jul 25, 2012 at 03:33 UTC
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Preternatural Stuff: "Size/weight" - Compare apples to apples pls, else its just stupid.
- EOS-M with STM pancake lens is as pocketable as anything on the market.
- with an APS-C lens, its no different from any NEX
- vis a vis a M4/3, it's an apple to orange comparison - an APS-C sensor with APS-C lenses or 35mm lenses offers superior IQ.

"IQ" - Don't kid me with stupid arguments that there is no difference between M4/3 & APS-C. Think the bokeh from a prime lens M4/3 is sweet? Think bokeh from an EF 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm on APS-C. Lenses u can get for a song & which are light and compact.

Back to the value proposition then. M4/3 being open standard & universal somehow manages to rip off consumers. Smaller size, lower material costs and lower IQ somehow equals high price? Why?

I hate the fact that Canon/Nikon are not offering consumers true value (i.e. no in-body image stabilization).

I hope for better value for consumers but for that to happen the quality of the arguments here have got to improve.

Recurring theme still: Non apple-apple comparisons again.

1. Pocketability - @999 - Seriously, does any self-respecting photog look to stuff theirs into pants pockets? U either break something or u look like u hv a permanent Viagra hard-on bulge. Let it rest unless u strictly go for pancake lenses. Like I keep saying, anything with pancake lenses might fit into pockets.

Don't use stupid comparisons like "But but it won't fit into pockets with APS-C lenses & adapters". You don't try to stuff an NEX into yr pants so don't whine that this one can't.

2. M4/3 users try too hard with silly apple-oranges comparisons. @DarkShift - U use top-of-the-line M4/3 prime lenses to talk bokeh and resolutions - vis-a-vis consumer EF lenses? How much do the Zuiko 45/1.8 or Summilux 25mm f/1.4 cost?

@999 - Know how much the equivalent quality EF 50mm f1.4/f1.8, EF 85mm f1.2/f1.8 costs? Do u even know the IQ u get with those? Not just the bokeh but the depth of field?

To be continued ...

Link | Posted on Jul 25, 2012 at 03:29 UTC

"Size/weight" - Compare apples to apples pls, else its just stupid.
- EOS-M with STM pancake lens is as pocketable as anything on the market.
- with an APS-C lens, its no different from any NEX
- vis a vis a M4/3, it's an apple to orange comparison - an APS-C sensor with APS-C lenses or 35mm lenses offers superior IQ.

"IQ" - Don't kid me with stupid arguments that there is no difference between M4/3 & APS-C. Think the bokeh from a prime lens M4/3 is sweet? Think bokeh from an EF 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm on APS-C. Lenses u can get for a song & which are light and compact.

Back to the value proposition then. M4/3 being open standard & universal somehow manages to rip off consumers. Smaller size, lower material costs and lower IQ somehow equals high price? Why?

I hate the fact that Canon/Nikon are not offering consumers true value (i.e. no in-body image stabilization).

I hope for better value for consumers but for that to happen the quality of the arguments here have got to improve.

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2012 at 08:21 UTC as 75th comment | 9 replies

Look, I want all the camera manufacturers to buck up, but so much of the arguments here are just plain stupid.

"Pocketable or not" - Which mirrorless camera is pocketable with a lens attached (save for the smallest of pancake lenses)? To slam this product's largish sensor is stupid cos its a good thing.

"Cost" - Who wouldn't want things to be cheaper? Yet, there are idiots who claim the NEX or M4/3 is cheaper?
- Only the top of the line NEX has a better sensor & its more expensive by far.
- M4/3? Some bodies may be cheaper but all have inferior IQ, inferior noise & inferior resolution. The usual excuse that they come close is BS. Everything is similar if you print from at 4R or view at VGA resolution.
M4/3 lenses - Like I keep saying, only decent lenses are the primes. Zooms are crap & the pro zooms with large f2 apertures are so ridiculously large, heavy and expensive... don't get me started.

Not impressed with the value proposition of either NEX or M4/3.

To be continued...

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2012 at 07:54 UTC as 80th comment | 4 replies
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Mike Sandman: A small camera with the quality of an APS-C sensor and a smartphone-like interface is very good idea.

The market for P&S cameras is shrinking because we have passable cameras in our phones, so offering a camera that's a huge step up from a P&S in terms of image quality is a good strategy. It's not supposed to appeal to DSLR owners who are tired of carrying their heavy gear; it's supposed to appeal to people who want something better than the output from their iPhones, and who like the touch interface. But the price does seem out of line with the rest of the market.

For those comments that trash this first offering: Canon could either start at the top and build something to compete with he NEX-7 or it could do something a bit easier, for a larger market. If I was Canon, I'd choose to start with a proof-of -concept camera like this. Just wait for the next version and you'll get your EVF.

@Francis Sawyer

Smartphone-like interface is the ONLY progressive step. Who the hell doesn't use one except for grandparents (& yourself?). Even with a smartphone, you can turn off a lock screen, unless you are using something from a fruit company or you are somebody who believes whatever that fruit company tells u.

$25 for a remote? There are things like DSLR controller from Chainfire that you can use to do that with any USB cable & an Android.

Try crawling outta that cave. The next real innovation frontier are digital cameras running on Android OS that allows 3rd party app development.

A lot of the critics seems to be dyslexic in some way. The reviews seem to have given it the best reviews ever about a touch screen interface. But the empty vessels here seem to have dissed it without having touched it? Can't figure it out.

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2012 at 03:29 UTC
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mvxray: Pros:
* compact design
* EF adapter gives access to large range of good lenses
* nice large high res screen

Cons
* ugly
* only 2 lenses available (that can be used without adapter)
* ergonomics
* no accessory mount for EVF etc.
* no build-in flash
* and did I mention ugly ?

Conclusion
VERY UNDERWHELMING ! I think most people agree: " Too little too late"

I was so looking forward to Canon's mirror-less camera thinking they would come up with something really nice, instead we get this.

@NetMage
"fixed focal length kit lens" - is NOT a con! Its called a prime lens. Change it if u are like those 18-200mm freaks.

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2012 at 03:12 UTC
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Preternatural Stuff: Really unimpressed ... with the rants & uninformed whines.

I, too, wished it was full-frame 36MP, with EVF, in-body IS, universal lens mount for any brand, brain-wave thought reading capability etc.

Wished it had more DSLR knobs & dials, but er... wouldn't it be juz ... bigger?

Here's my take. I've been wanting to upgrade my derelict Canon DSLRs.
I've seen friends who like me aren't as free to shoot seriously due to work (& age/maturity related laziness) give up their DSLR systems to downgrade to M4/3. But I've got my L lenses & EFS10-22mm, EX580IIs etc.

The thought of having to get all the new lenses & flashes to go with a new system would have been a royal pain. Plus, I did not want to give up on DSLR quality images.

EOS-M would allow me to use it with small prime or STM lenses if minimal size/weight was everything. Yet I can selectively bring any one of my heavy artillery glass if need be without bringing my DSLR with vertical grip.

There... the raison d'etre for the EOS-M?

@ DarkShift

I have to agree with @zxaar on this. You can't have your cake & eat it too.

All things being the same, the APS-C has 18MP of resolution, way more resolution than most M4/3s & second only to the top of the line NEX. In most comparisons, all things being the same, noise levels will always be at least as good if not better. Its the laws of physics.

I don't know why you bring up the M4/3 vs 1st gen APS-C sensor thing. This is hardly a 1st generation APS-C sensor, its the latest.

Talking about the diff between APS-C & FF is moot & irrelevant too. There isn't any on the market, stop dreaming. I was only kidding. Anyway, all the whiners who complain about a 35mm system FF lens being blasphemous on a mirrorless body would get their knickers in a twist about that.

I on the other hand always feel, use whatever lens on whatever body that gets the shot!

C'mon guys, I'm still waiting to be convinced by a sensible, logical criticism.

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 17:17 UTC
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richard2012: Contrary to many negative comments, I believe Canon has pulled off the best introduction of a mirrorless system (and I am a Nikon/Sony user).

Which other mirrorless system had (on launch date) such a vast choice of available full function lenses(albeit with an EF adapter) and flashes? While the Alpha NEX lens adapter requires aperture and AF electronics($$$), the EF adapter is nothing more than a tube with contacts. Canon is just milking that cash cow, and can just give it away if they choose. Expect third party EF to EF-M adapters that costs much less, yet retain full EF/EF-S compatibility.

Okay, it does not presently have an EVF, but that HDMI output can be easily wired to one. As for PDAF, let's wait patiently for production firmware.

The only thing missing I see is the remote release socket, but who knows, perhaps even that is implemented via the USB? Or, perhaps a release socket on an add-on ($$$) battery grip ?

I see lots of potential with the EOS-M system.

Actually, the remote release socket can be easily done with the USB port.

Chainfire's DSLR Controller for Canon DSLRs already shows that one can get all that functionality with an Android phone and any length USB cable.

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 17:00 UTC
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Edmond Leung: This is the camera what we need !
Simple, small, light weight and able to use the whole range of Canon lenses.
An excellent choice for business travel.
I will take this one instead of NEX or other cameras with smaller sensor.

@Dave Oddie - Yr "second lightweight system" would involve carrying a not so lightweight second set of lens systems? Er, yeah right, like that makes sense?

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 16:57 UTC
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Preternatural Stuff: Really unimpressed ... with the rants & uninformed whines.

I, too, wished it was full-frame 36MP, with EVF, in-body IS, universal lens mount for any brand, brain-wave thought reading capability etc.

Wished it had more DSLR knobs & dials, but er... wouldn't it be juz ... bigger?

Here's my take. I've been wanting to upgrade my derelict Canon DSLRs.
I've seen friends who like me aren't as free to shoot seriously due to work (& age/maturity related laziness) give up their DSLR systems to downgrade to M4/3. But I've got my L lenses & EFS10-22mm, EX580IIs etc.

The thought of having to get all the new lenses & flashes to go with a new system would have been a royal pain. Plus, I did not want to give up on DSLR quality images.

EOS-M would allow me to use it with small prime or STM lenses if minimal size/weight was everything. Yet I can selectively bring any one of my heavy artillery glass if need be without bringing my DSLR with vertical grip.

There... the raison d'etre for the EOS-M?

Further comparisons as & when they come...

@Winston Loo: "Fuji X100" - I find mention of this as a competitor STUPID. Its a FIXED lens camera!!!

If I want super light weight, a top prime lens on the EOS-M would match/beat anything out there in terms of price/weight/volume/performance?

Surely I'm not the only photographer left who feels that lens variety/choice & selection is what makes a photographer?

(Things like AF/handling etc. aside until actual test results pls.)

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 09:43 UTC
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Preternatural Stuff: Really unimpressed ... with the rants & uninformed whines.

I, too, wished it was full-frame 36MP, with EVF, in-body IS, universal lens mount for any brand, brain-wave thought reading capability etc.

Wished it had more DSLR knobs & dials, but er... wouldn't it be juz ... bigger?

Here's my take. I've been wanting to upgrade my derelict Canon DSLRs.
I've seen friends who like me aren't as free to shoot seriously due to work (& age/maturity related laziness) give up their DSLR systems to downgrade to M4/3. But I've got my L lenses & EFS10-22mm, EX580IIs etc.

The thought of having to get all the new lenses & flashes to go with a new system would have been a royal pain. Plus, I did not want to give up on DSLR quality images.

EOS-M would allow me to use it with small prime or STM lenses if minimal size/weight was everything. Yet I can selectively bring any one of my heavy artillery glass if need be without bringing my DSLR with vertical grip.

There... the raison d'etre for the EOS-M?

@Chris Tofalos - "arms length"? Ever heard of a monopod? I reckon its a lot more comfortable than sticking my face against the back of a body.

@DarkShift
"46% larger in area than m4/3" - like that's not significant? U realise the IQ difference with L glass in front with its sweeter centre spot?

" the features you mentioned (except 36MP full frame) can allready be found on other mirrorless cameras" - really? Mind control?

"loyalist"? - No juz plain logic

I keep hearing ppl say that other mirrorless camera systems are better. Really?

APS-C mirrorless category: NEX - great body. Only the 24MP version is better than the EOS-M's. But shitty lens choices to go with them! NEX lenses are no smaller nor lighter than EF-S lenses. Neither are they of any better quality. Certainly not better than L glass.

M4/3: Expensive! Like idea of an open universal standard mount. However, only good glass are the primes. Zooms are crap & high end large aperture ones are ridiculously big/heavy/expensive.

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 09:23 UTC

Really unimpressed ... with the rants & uninformed whines.

I, too, wished it was full-frame 36MP, with EVF, in-body IS, universal lens mount for any brand, brain-wave thought reading capability etc.

Wished it had more DSLR knobs & dials, but er... wouldn't it be juz ... bigger?

Here's my take. I've been wanting to upgrade my derelict Canon DSLRs.
I've seen friends who like me aren't as free to shoot seriously due to work (& age/maturity related laziness) give up their DSLR systems to downgrade to M4/3. But I've got my L lenses & EFS10-22mm, EX580IIs etc.

The thought of having to get all the new lenses & flashes to go with a new system would have been a royal pain. Plus, I did not want to give up on DSLR quality images.

EOS-M would allow me to use it with small prime or STM lenses if minimal size/weight was everything. Yet I can selectively bring any one of my heavy artillery glass if need be without bringing my DSLR with vertical grip.

There... the raison d'etre for the EOS-M?

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 08:32 UTC as 321st comment | 10 replies

If you are a pro and depend on your camera for a living, you wouldn't go with Nikon.

Canon customer service has always been first rate because their centres are not just for camera owners but also printer/scanner/copier owners. Wherever one travels, Canon service centres are more widely available too.

The economies of scale means that they can operate more official Canon service centers without consumers having to rely on a network of affiliate/independent players. The prices for repair has always been good and response time for quick no fuss checks has always been 1st rate.

Its not just the Canon professionals who benefit.

Link | Posted on Mar 13, 2012 at 07:50 UTC as 115th comment | 1 reply
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