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fruehaufsteher2: In terms of image quality quality and practcability: is the TG6 superior to my iPhone XSmax? I have proshotcase and only go snorkeling.

At the end of his review Jeff Kellers conclusion is "Not good for those who want smartphone IQ or better...", completely agree.

iPhoneXSmax has two cameras with fixed lens at 26, 52mm equivalent, Oly's zoom power is 100mm equivalent. But you could use a 2x add on lens to reach that with your iPhone and keep much better IQ than the Oly.
Tough cameras, Oly and other brands, show mushy details that look really bad even without enlarging, specially in foliage and other fine structures.
This 6th version is not an improvement in IQ to the previous 5th version in my opinion.

Another reason to keep using you iPhone is video quality which is far superior.
My solution was to keep using iPhones 8/8+ for most situations and a GoPro Hero5 for those moments when using the iPhone could be dangerous.
This could also be a possible solution for you specially that now Heros 6 and 7 had dropped in price or if you can get the Hero8 is seems to have a really good improvement in video stabilization πŸ˜€

Link | Posted on Apr 13, 2020 at 17:02 UTC

Thanks for also bringing this out, as Robin Wong also did in his blog, it is a good reminder and a very ecological one too.

https://robinwong.blogspot.com/2020/03/real-reasons-why-you-are-not-improving.html

Link | Posted on Mar 15, 2020 at 18:32 UTC as 29th comment
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Tons o Glass 0 Class: If you have a smartphone with three rear cameras/focal lengths to choose from, are these add-ons more interesting or less interesting than they were before?

iPhone 11 pro 3 cams are great and certainly lessens the need for clip on lenses but consider that they still don't do macro and that with a 2x teleconverter it would reach 100mm equivalent. I use the Ztylus iPhone6 case plus revolver 3 lenses and polarizer which is removable, light and certainly easier to carry than my OMD e-M 10 + 14-150mm zoom + Raynox M250 macro converter + 9mm f8 cap lens. Sure IQ doesn't compare in most situations but still is usable.

https://ztylus.com/collections/revolver-m-series

If I switch to an iPhone 11 Pro I would still consider buying a macro and teleconverter with a case but probably from Moment.

Link | Posted on Nov 22, 2019 at 20:52 UTC
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007peter: ***Replacing Dedicated camera is NO LONGER a JOKE *** I had always dismissed the smartphone threat as (not good enough yet). Iphone 7's Fake-Bokeh was flawed, and IQ falls apart when zoom in, so I dismissed it. But just 3 generation later (from 7→8→ X→11), Apple has release a smartphone that deliver image better than 1" compact: use multi-frame-stacking to improve DR, use NightMode to improve Lowlight, and Intelligent Fake-Bokeh that is improving, best-of-all, it can deliver Bokeh (fake or real) that Micro43 and 1" compact can't do. Replacing dedicated camera with smartphone is NO LONGER a JOKE to me. This can be potentially dangerous for camera & lens maker alike. You no longer need to buy a $1200 Olympus 17 F/1.2 PRO to get that bokeh on M43. I can just use a $699 Iphone 11....ouch!

Even if your photos are shown on a fullHD or 4k TV it is hard to notice the difference, except in some particular situations that phones still have difficulties competing with the higher dynamic range of "real cameras".

Link | Posted on Oct 28, 2019 at 22:31 UTC
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Jonathan F/2: I love the 9mm BCL for Olympus, this will be great for Sony shooters if it works well. Though I find the Sony crowd has more gear heads and pixel peepers, so it won't be so appealing to those who just like to look at their equipment versus actually taking nicely composed photos!

I also love the Oly 9mm f8 cap, always in my cam bag, quite sharp in the center and if you crop a little on corners and far sides it is not bad at all.
Keep in mind that f8 in M43 sensors is equivalent to f16 for full frames so real f8 for Sony users could be actually better that for us M43 users.

Link | Posted on Oct 28, 2019 at 22:22 UTC
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007peter: ***Replacing Dedicated camera is NO LONGER a JOKE *** I had always dismissed the smartphone threat as (not good enough yet). Iphone 7's Fake-Bokeh was flawed, and IQ falls apart when zoom in, so I dismissed it. But just 3 generation later (from 7→8→ X→11), Apple has release a smartphone that deliver image better than 1" compact: use multi-frame-stacking to improve DR, use NightMode to improve Lowlight, and Intelligent Fake-Bokeh that is improving, best-of-all, it can deliver Bokeh (fake or real) that Micro43 and 1" compact can't do. Replacing dedicated camera with smartphone is NO LONGER a JOKE to me. This can be potentially dangerous for camera & lens maker alike. You no longer need to buy a $1200 Olympus 17 F/1.2 PRO to get that bokeh on M43. I can just use a $699 Iphone 11....ouch!

I own a M43 OMD and definitely seeing it being challenged by better phones such as these in IQ and practicality, at least when using normal not so expensive kit lenses, so I do have to agree with both of you, basically cameras are becoming a niche for professionals, expensive FF mostly, and phones are in fact the vast majority of what we see in tourist places, parties, etc. Except for those old timers ;-)

Link | Posted on Oct 9, 2019 at 00:29 UTC
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Zvonimir Tosic: Paradox 1: Original Pentax Q still beats this is terms of sheer image quality because superior optics is always superior answer – regardless of how much computational imaging you apply. Computation only compensates for the lack of real optics.
Paradox 2: But the irony is that tiny sensors are major part of the digital photography, and ARE defining the imaging expectations. Same "nerds" who laughed at Q are now buying iPhones, each time Apple announces a new device with more computational tech.
Let's sum these two paradoxes: are the large sesnors really the answer for the rest of camera industry? Nope. Statistics tell they don't mean a thing. Major imaging development and industry's money is poured in use of small sensors.
That is why the photo camera industry dives like the Titanic: more they focus on larger sensors, faster they plunge.

great summary !
and that will keep going on as CompPhoto algorithms and hardware keep evolving.

Link | Posted on Sep 11, 2019 at 02:36 UTC
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Prognathous: A single 1" sensor (similar to what the 2012 Nokia 808 had) produces better pictures than 5 teeny weeny ones. Get this through your skull Nokia.

You are actually right !

In short adding current image stabilization, cpu processing power and software could turn old Nokia 1/1.2" sensor into a winner :

https://www.dxomark.com/nokia-808-retested-new-dxomark-mobile-protocol/

And so was thinking Sony at least in 2018 it seems :

https://nokiamob.net/2018/07/24/sony-takes-on-nokia-808-lumia-1020-with-its-48-mp-sensor/

Several photos taken with my old Nokia 1020, still working fine, have better IQ than my newer iPhone8.

Link | Posted on Jul 11, 2019 at 18:03 UTC
On article Samsung launches 64MP image sensor for smartphones (264 comments in total)
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Gesture: Interesting developments. Do any of these smart phones with advanced photo and video capabilities display histograms.

Yes, many smart phone photos look great on camera or in small form on the web, but don't hold up to enlargement. But it doesn't matter. Smartphones are democratizing photography and I see some great stuff by regular "citizens." This is all re-invigorating photography and making it as relevant as ever.

I do carry a standalone camera with me at all times, but don't look down at what is being accomplished.

Gesture and Karroly, I think both of you have very good points since democratizing a device that takes better pictures is actually better for both clients, the ones that mainly communicate info as well as the ones that communicate their vision of reality.
As far as I know all this started with Nokia's PureView tech back in the 808 and 1020 days. It is a practical way of solving low light image quality and zoom with one lens, what probably are the main weakness of phone-photography.
They could go further and allow the oversampling to reach 8x producing 8MP pictures to get better results with even less light, taking into account that most people don't own 8k TV, so 8MP with higher dynamic range would be preferable in many situations.

Link | Posted on May 11, 2019 at 15:38 UTC

Going to try some of those ideas.
Thanks !

Link | Posted on Apr 23, 2019 at 01:49 UTC as 15th comment
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Frank Verschuren: Looks awesome, wanted to try but read the following note:
AI-based stabilization features are only available on devices with a Neural Engine (iPhone 8 and later)
Maybe that's why some people experience poor results?

Full text from appstore:
Spectre works on iPhone 6 and newer and requires iOS 11 and up.*
Spectre’s smart Automatic Scene Detection requires iOS 12. AI-based stabilization features are only available on devices with a Neural Engine (iPhone 8 and later**).
** (Full compatibility device list: iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone X, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR)

actually iPhone8 64Gb is U$449 if you trade in a iPhone6 for example, or less if you have something newer, totally worth it coming from iPhone6 because of the low RAM on those. Processor speed doesn't really matters in everyday apps but upgrade from 1GB to 2GB of RAM makes a lot of difference.

Link | Posted on Mar 2, 2019 at 20:37 UTC
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Xerien: This reminds me of the old pureviews (808 and Windows mobile one) - excellent camera phones but with slightly outdated hardware. To be honest, I don't mind using one year old processor at all, but there are people who would have a different mindset and will not buy it cause - it's "old".

They could add a new processor and more RAM to the Nokia Lumia 1020 (64Gb model) + Android and would still be a great phone today.

Link | Posted on Feb 28, 2019 at 20:49 UTC
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dtssound: aaaaaand....it will be full frame

Small mirrorless full frames is were the market is pointing right now, like it or not seems to be a fact.

Please have a look at this video from Tony Northrup, which I found quite possible as for the near future :

https://youtu.be/qjXSnNMZ0PU

I agree with most of the comments on that video that the end of M43s could be near.

Unless they include computational features that are present in smartphones and not in today's cameras. Need to keep price lower than fullframes also 😏

Link | Posted on Jan 19, 2019 at 20:37 UTC
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Protogonus1: It should be noted that, according to the NASDAQ stock exchange website, Olympus may give up cameras to focus on "global med-tech" (https://www.nasdaq.com/article/refocused-olympus-provides-a-flash-of-hope-20190113-00103). NASDAQ says: "The so-called imaging unit, which produces the OM-D body and M.Zuiko lenses, accounts for less than 8 percent of group revenue, but has distracted management with its falling sales and mounting losses." The "market" the hedge fund vultures are driving Olympus towards is highly profitable "med-tech" market and not the low-profit consumer camera market. Nevertheless, if Olympus really does want to be known in consumer photography and not just in medical imaging, it will continue to puts its name on beautiful, relatively compact imaging systems (the PEN F being a great example)--highly capable and versatile cameras with impeccable matched lenses.

I trully like my OMD M10, would hate to see Oly leaving the camera market really, but I think it is plausible in the long run, maybe a few years from now, if they insist on keeping the current track. Who would invest in M43 system + lenses for profesional use, the clear pro market tendency is Sony's style fullframe right ?

IMHO Oly should concentrate in future small size not so expensive systems, including desired features such as :
- 8k/30fps video (LG is comming with 8k TVs)
- computational photoprocessing tech that we see in todays smartphones (incamera auto focus stacking, better HDR stacking and please auto panorama)
- easy and fast connection with smartphones, PCs, TVs
- USB charging possibility
- Android + apps

I guess photo devices will be basically divided in two maing groups : smartphones and pro-cams (fullframe and medium format). Maybe M43s could be for those (like myself) that look for something in the middle ground, and Olympus could get most of that market share.

Link | Posted on Jan 19, 2019 at 20:16 UTC
On article Nikon Coolpix P1000 Review (643 comments in total)

Could you give an example of the same subject taken at : 1000, 2000 and 3000mm ?

I have a Fuji HS50 and HS20, which have great stabilization and manual zoom,
but hardly reach the 1000mm, also have a teleconverter that takes it to 1700mm. But reach seems not linear, the real zoom factor going form 500mm to 1000 (2x zoom on mm) is less noticeable than going from 1000 to 2000mm).

Moon photos that I took with the less powerfull HS20 looked better than the ones at 1000mm with the newer HS50, so more zoom isn't allways better.

It is intersting to see that they fixed Moon Mode default at 1000mm and Bird Mode at 500mm, maybe going more than 1000mm is not that practical ?

Link | Posted on Oct 12, 2018 at 21:03 UTC as 127th comment
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Battersea: When will point and shoot or compact cameras feature computational photography in a greater way? Wouldn't a one inch sensor 24-120 compact camera like that be awesome?

Yeap !!!!
I'm hopping for the same computational tools to be available in M43 also, like real time stacking : HDR, focus stacking (for macro), multiple exposure averaging for low light etc

Link | Posted on Oct 5, 2018 at 23:47 UTC
On article Leica releases Elpro 52 close-up lens adapter (45 comments in total)
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Dpreviewmember: Does is work with the Olympus 14-150mm, using a 52-58mm step-up ring ?

Currently I'm using the Raynox m150 but it is a 43mm thread so it vignettes up to 100mm

Thanks !
The Leica is big and very expensive, much better to buy the Oly 60mm f2.8 macro lens instead of the Leica adapter.
But the 500D is much cheaper and easy to carry, seems a good idea with a 58mm thread like the one on my lens.

Link | Posted on Aug 28, 2018 at 22:53 UTC
On article The PureView trademark is now owned by HMD Global (84 comments in total)
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Marty4650: I suppose this proves our attention span keeps getting shorter and shorter.

We now get nostalgic about things that are only five years old like a Nokia 1020. And we call them "retro."

You are absolutely right !

I just called my Lumia 1020 "vintage".

I guess it has to do with our change in the perception of time. Time is measured by our brains by noting how something changes, since things are changing faster, more new models every year, with new gimmicks and all we have the illusion that it went way more than 5 years since Nokia1020.

Link | Posted on Aug 28, 2018 at 22:49 UTC
On article The PureView trademark is now owned by HMD Global (84 comments in total)
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Jake2046: I really missed the old Nokia...they lead the innovation in smartphone camera. Too bad MS/Nokia missed the train...and could catch up.

Believe it or not, I also liked the Windows Phone OS 8.1, I can believe I'm saying this but it was actually good, secure and showed a lot of potential. Too bad it ended so fast. Others like Ubuntu Phone when down faster.

Link | Posted on Aug 28, 2018 at 22:39 UTC
On article The PureView trademark is now owned by HMD Global (84 comments in total)
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CaPi: The 1020.. I never should have sold that.

Yeap, I still use mine when I travel, as a phone and camera, camera grip included. Veeeery slow image processing compared to iPhone but low light photo IQ and the manual camera UI and manual focus (including infinity focus) are awesome.

Friends usually ask if I used a real camera to take the photos I send, my answer is 'nope, a vintage smartphone with a real sensor'.
They never ask this question when I send them iPhone photos !

Bad thing is that some apps are going to stop working at all.
Whatsapp is ending support next year and will stop working :(
Spotify, Skype, Viber and many others still working but is a matter of time they end too.

Link | Posted on Aug 28, 2018 at 22:29 UTC
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