Steven Ar

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Nikon hit a home run with D850.
DSLRs still dominate and there are only 2 major players (and Pentax).
When they and Canon offer mirrorless versions of their FF cameras they will quickly dominate the smaller mirrorless segment too.

Link | Posted on May 15, 2018 at 14:12 UTC as 21st comment | 3 replies

Free trips to Vegas where Sony pays for EVERYTHING has a lot to do with it too.
Did everyone here think that DPR paid for that studio setup and models?
Not to mention dinners, drinks, hotel rooms, entertainment, etc.

As for "innovation". Sony's 5 axis IBIS is about the worst in the business. Other companies pioneered it and Sony tried to copied it. While Minolta pioneered IBIS, Sony first shunned it on mirrorless E mount, while others embraced it.
Pixel shift? They were late to the game with that too.
What about OSPDAF? Nikon did it first and better. Sony's suffers from "striping" with no fix in sight.
Touch screen tech? Sony either doesn't offer it or it has very limited functionality with a painful delay.
Fast sensor readout for less rolling shutter? Olympus was first before the A9.
60 FPS RAW shooting, Sony can't do it.
10 bit 4:2:2 in camera? Sony won't offer it.
I am running out of characters, but Sony either doesn't offer or copied most "innovations".

Link | Posted on May 15, 2018 at 14:00 UTC as 152nd comment | 41 replies
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)

It is really strange that Sony's cameras does so poorly compared to other cameras with 1 inch sensors. Even the old FZ1000 is noticeably better (and its images are underexposed - a big disadvatange!). The RX10 iv is a mess.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=panasonic_dmcfz2500&attr13_3=canon_g9xii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=6400&attr16_3=6400&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0&y=0

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=panasonic_dmcfz2500&attr13_3=canon_g9xii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0&y=0

Link | Posted on May 15, 2018 at 13:27 UTC as 19th comment | 3 replies
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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jaykumarr: I read the review again..
There are somethings I noted in studio comparion.
Sony RX10 IV was better than (or close to) Canon 80 D in all ISOs. Both in color and sharpness. For such a zoom lens , slightly smaller sensor it is achievement. Sony accomplished something new both in lens engineering and sensor engineering. Remarkable.

The RX10 IV is TERRIBLE in low light. With the smaller aperture zoom, this will be even more of a problem.

The RX10 iv is a complete mess compared to the 80D and the FZ1000 at higher ISOs.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=panasonic_dmcfz2500&attr13_3=canon_eos80d&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=6400&attr16_3=6400&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0&y=0

Link | Posted on May 15, 2018 at 13:24 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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UllerellU: Look at the product page of the Sony Rx-10IV, now look at the sample images, note that it does not let you see 100% any image with iso greater than 250, no more questions ....You are selling a camera at a professional price, which can not be used professionally, because that small 1 "sensor can not do it anymore The maximum aperture of F4 is slow for action photography, slow with this sensor, since with an APS- C (or higher) you can go up the ISO a lot without too much degradation, if at least it were F2.8 at its long end it would be twice as fast, and i now perfectly what a 1 "sensor gives because I had rx100 (I , III and IV) and Lumix FZ1000.The Lumix FZ300 should cost € 1200 since no one offers anything like it, a 25-600 with 2.8 constant, despite its sensor being small and disappointing ¿No?. The price for Rx10 iv must be € 1,000, and I am being generous for its technology, if not I do not conceive that a 1 "camera costs more than € 500.

The RX10 iv in low light is pretty bad too. That small aperture means bad indoor shots without a flash.
Look how terrible the RX10 cameras are compared to the FZ cameras.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=panasonic_dmcfz2500&attr13_3=sony_dscrx10&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=6400&attr16_3=6400&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0&y=0

Link | Posted on May 15, 2018 at 13:20 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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nandadevieast: I own this camera and it’s fantastic. I came here to write this because its being compared with FZ1000. I have owned that too and it didn’t work for me. The images from Sony are better quality and the autofocus (tracking) is exceptional, FZ was no match for it.
Pls see some of the pictures i have made with this camera.
https://flickr.com/photos/41109263@N00/sets/72157664433728808
Thank you,
Nde

I've owned several RX10 cameras, it did not take long to learn that the latest suffered from the same issues and that there was little to no IQ improvement.
Honestly if you prefer Sony, then the A6000 or A6300 with a super zoom is a better option.

Link | Posted on May 15, 2018 at 13:15 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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Jonathan F/2: If I'm going to spend this kind of money for an all-in-one setup, I'd rather get an Olympus M43 body and a 12-100mm zoom instead. Probably better image quality and flexibility.

Only a troll would say the EM1/2 is $2000. It is $1699.
And "balances well"? That was funny. It works superbly on the latest EM10, and one can get grips for the other bodies too.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 21:12 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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nandadevieast: I own this camera and it’s fantastic. I came here to write this because its being compared with FZ1000. I have owned that too and it didn’t work for me. The images from Sony are better quality and the autofocus (tracking) is exceptional, FZ was no match for it.
Pls see some of the pictures i have made with this camera.
https://flickr.com/photos/41109263@N00/sets/72157664433728808
Thank you,
Nde

I had the RX10 4 for a week. It was no better than the FZ1000 for me, so I bought some new lenses instead. Lenses last more than a couple years. I know people with the original RX10 that have them in a box in their basements. It is silly to spend that much on a fixed lens that can NEVER be used on new body.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 19:23 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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Steven Ar: Fixed lens cameras are basically "throw away" cameras that can never be updated. You can never buy a wider a wider aperture lens, and never put the current lens on a new body. Why buy a $1200 lens than can never be used on another body???
Think about it...if you bought a $1500 RX10 iii, are you going to pay $1700 for the virtually identical lens? That's insane to many.

But a large number of people still use their FZ1000's which some say are the perfect travel camera. They are significantly a better value, and IQ is near identical. If the camera is dropped and stops working you won't be out $1700 either.
The truth is tracking with FZ1000 is darned good, and the IQ is about the same as any 1 inch sensor camera. And the best part is you can find them for $1000+ less.
Then spend that $1000 on a REAL lens that can be used on multiple cameras.

@Focus Shift Shooting

Thanks for making my point. People like you want to replace their camera bodies. With the RX10 that means dumping the very expensive lens that can NEVER be used on a new body. If you upgrade from the RX10 iii to the RX10 iv, even though the lens is the same you have to buy the lens all over again. OUCH.

This is why so many prefer a less expensive fixed lens camera and save the real money for an ILC.

Many of us have lenses that are 30-40 years old. I have an F/2.8 Minotla AF lens from the 1990s, and a few Canon lenses from the 80s and 70s. That RX10 lens will be near useless in a few years, sonner if the camera breaks. It is basically a disposable camera with a disposable lens.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 19:16 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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Steven Ar: Upon further review...
The FZ1000 has better IQ at higher ISOs. .
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=apple_iphonex&attr13_3=apple_iphonex&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=32&attr16_3=32&normalization=full&widget=1&x=-0.8765355722492267&y=0.17988165680473372

Even in this example where the FZ1000 is underexposed and at a disadvantage, the results are better:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=apple_iphonex&attr13_3=apple_iphonex&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=3200&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=640&attr16_3=640&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.06979952683768458&y=-0.6531431342931973

@ particleman78
It is obvious the FZ1000 images were under exposed and its sensor was at a disadvantage...
You need to read what DPR says. The reason there was more time was because of less light. They adjust the light and lights vary (dim) after use. It is impossible to always get it the same for every camera. In fact one can quickly see the FZ1000 images were under exposed because of less light. So, if anything the FZ1000 was at a disadvantage.
But I think it is fair to call them even since no one can see a difference in the final PP results. They'll only notice the extra $1000 in their pocket.

Of course we must remember that even though the FZ1000 sensor has traditionally done better than the RX10 series (DPR points this out in reviews), the new RX10 sensor suffers from the the OSPDAF issues such as striping. IT also can't focus as well in low light due to only the small number of pixels dedicated to focusing vs. the hundreds of thousands used with DFD.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 19:10 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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Steven Ar: Upon further review...
The FZ1000 has better IQ at higher ISOs. .
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=apple_iphonex&attr13_3=apple_iphonex&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=32&attr16_3=32&normalization=full&widget=1&x=-0.8765355722492267&y=0.17988165680473372

Even in this example where the FZ1000 is underexposed and at a disadvantage, the results are better:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=apple_iphonex&attr13_3=apple_iphonex&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=3200&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=640&attr16_3=640&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.06979952683768458&y=-0.6531431342931973

You are making my point.
These cameras are so close is it impossible to say one has better IQ. In the examples above the FZ1000 looks better despite the disadvantage of being under exposed. But if not pixel peeping they are very close.
So since IQ is "identical" (they both use the 1 inch sensor) why pay 3 times the price for a lens that can't be used on another camera?
For most people the FZ1000 is easily the smartest option.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 17:47 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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Steven Ar: I agree with everyone else.
Since you can't upgrade and you can't put the lens on a newer body someday, it is much smarter to get the less expensive FZ1000 or FZ2000 (used or open box - even better).
It is near impossible to see any difference in the output of those cameras and you might save $1000+. A usable touchscreen, stepless aperture, 10bit 4:2:2 output, ND filters means video will be superb too.
You have to remember with fixed lens cameras, one tiny issue and the camera and the lens becomes useless. One scratch on the lens and you have to replace the camera body too.

So the best advice is to stick with the FZ series which outputs virtually identical IQ, and in some cases better video....and possibly save over $1000!!!

The lenses are actually pretty good.

As the studio scene here shows, in many cases the RX10 IV is step down despite being triple the price.

No one is going to notice a difference either way, unless you get the FZ2500 and use the 10 bit video. That will make a difference.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 17:44 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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nandadevieast: I own this camera and it’s fantastic. I came here to write this because its being compared with FZ1000. I have owned that too and it didn’t work for me. The images from Sony are better quality and the autofocus (tracking) is exceptional, FZ was no match for it.
Pls see some of the pictures i have made with this camera.
https://flickr.com/photos/41109263@N00/sets/72157664433728808
Thank you,
Nde

In the studio test here the FZ1000 still beats the RX10 IV at higher ISOs, and skin tones are noticeably better.
The RX10 iV suffers from the PDAF stripes, so never shoot towards a bright light.

It is pretty amazing that a camera that can be had for 1/3rd the price performs better than the $1700 RX10 iv. But unless you are made of money it is never wise to spend a lot on fixed lens camera that can NEVER be updated.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 16:14 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)

Upon further review...
The FZ1000 has better IQ at higher ISOs. .
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=apple_iphonex&attr13_3=apple_iphonex&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=32&attr16_3=32&normalization=full&widget=1&x=-0.8765355722492267&y=0.17988165680473372

Even in this example where the FZ1000 is underexposed and at a disadvantage, the results are better:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcfz1000&attr13_1=sony_dscrx10iv&attr13_2=apple_iphonex&attr13_3=apple_iphonex&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=3200&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=640&attr16_3=640&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.06979952683768458&y=-0.6531431342931973

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 16:11 UTC as 25th comment | 5 replies
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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Jonathan F/2: If I'm going to spend this kind of money for an all-in-one setup, I'd rather get an Olympus M43 body and a 12-100mm zoom instead. Probably better image quality and flexibility.

@tbcass
Well, you just used the classic troll argument.
After all for both FF and Medium format, "Sensor is too small to give the best IQ"
That is a troll argument and ignores 99% of what photography is.

Another great example of your trolling is calling the FZ1000 "outdated". Not only does it have a better touchscreen, but it can take pictures indistinguishable from the RX100 IV in most cases. It shoots 4K video (unlike the newest A mount APSC camera or any Sony ILC under $900). But best of all it is $1000+ LESS than the RX camera.
Ironically, your argument is that is stupid to pay $1700 for an RX10 iv because it will be "outdated" in a few years... and you can't replace the body or lens. What's next, calling the NX1 outdated? LOL!!!

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 15:01 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)

Fixed lens cameras are basically "throw away" cameras that can never be updated. You can never buy a wider a wider aperture lens, and never put the current lens on a new body. Why buy a $1200 lens than can never be used on another body???
Think about it...if you bought a $1500 RX10 iii, are you going to pay $1700 for the virtually identical lens? That's insane to many.

But a large number of people still use their FZ1000's which some say are the perfect travel camera. They are significantly a better value, and IQ is near identical. If the camera is dropped and stops working you won't be out $1700 either.
The truth is tracking with FZ1000 is darned good, and the IQ is about the same as any 1 inch sensor camera. And the best part is you can find them for $1000+ less.
Then spend that $1000 on a REAL lens that can be used on multiple cameras.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 14:34 UTC as 27th comment | 5 replies
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)
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Jonathan F/2: If I'm going to spend this kind of money for an all-in-one setup, I'd rather get an Olympus M43 body and a 12-100mm zoom instead. Probably better image quality and flexibility.

@tbcass

Saying M43 sensors are too "small" then recommending a much smaller 1 inch sensor makes you look like troll. (especially since the M43 cameras have native F/0.95 and F/1.2 lenses)
Lying and saying the FZ1000 is only a "couple bucks" cheaper than the RX10 IV makes you look even more like a troll.

The RX10 IV zoom is PAINFULLY slow and leads to missed shots. That is a simple fact.

Even the Samsung NX1 is a better option than the Sony, and it will yield significantly better results, with greater detail. You can't put "new" lenses on either camera (and never will), but at least the NX1 destroys the Sony in low light.
Sadly the RX line are "Throw away" cameras and will never be updated and better parts will never be offered. So the best advice is get the FZ1000 and save well over $1000.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 14:24 UTC
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Jonathan F/2: If I'm going to spend this kind of money for an all-in-one setup, I'd rather get an Olympus M43 body and a 12-100mm zoom instead. Probably better image quality and flexibility.

Much more flexibility.

in a couple years you can replace the camera body too. With the RX line, one scratch on the lens or one chip inside going bad and the whole camera/lens is off to the land fill.

tbcass, having owned both cameras, I can say with the latest FW update the EM1/2 AF is far superior. The RX has a MAJOR FLAW too. It takes FOREVER to zoom. The RX is kind of rip off too. You can't replace anything and it sucks in low light because of small aperture lens, Get an FZ1000 instead, then add a cheap M43 body with the 25mm F/1.4 lens.

btw, The A mount line is dead. A mount lenses are crippled on E mount (even the latest A7iii can't shoot faster than 2.5 FPS with those lenses). Spending money on A mount these days is like buying Samsung cameras.

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 13:11 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Sony RX10 IV Review (267 comments in total)

I agree with everyone else.
Since you can't upgrade and you can't put the lens on a newer body someday, it is much smarter to get the less expensive FZ1000 or FZ2000 (used or open box - even better).
It is near impossible to see any difference in the output of those cameras and you might save $1000+. A usable touchscreen, stepless aperture, 10bit 4:2:2 output, ND filters means video will be superb too.
You have to remember with fixed lens cameras, one tiny issue and the camera and the lens becomes useless. One scratch on the lens and you have to replace the camera body too.

So the best advice is to stick with the FZ series which outputs virtually identical IQ, and in some cases better video....and possibly save over $1000!!!

Link | Posted on May 14, 2018 at 13:05 UTC as 31st comment | 8 replies
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BlueBomberTurbo: So much for only Fuji adding features in firmware. Fake news continues to be revealed!

@Magnar W

You started with the arrogant language and the proved you had no clue what you were talking about.
It is near impossible to know when a bird might fly into a scene or when the wind might kick up and move foliage. One great way to lessen the chance of unexpected events is to use exposures that are 2 seconds instead of 8, if possible. Your failure to understand this says it all.

Link | Posted on May 11, 2018 at 19:00 UTC
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