fwellers

fwellers

Lives in United States Ashburn, United States
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Joined on Jun 28, 2010

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On article Submit your best shots of 2016! (79 comments in total)
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fwellers: Just a note about the categories. Many people (mainly all Vegans) do not consider animals to be things. They should go into the people category, as anyone that has sentience and is interested in their own life, is a person.
If you can't see that, you should t least be able to see that they are not "things" as is a block of wood or a bottle cap.
Please make a distinction in the categories, to reflect respect for animals. And for Vegans.
Thank you,
Floyd

Versa, I wish you happy Holidays also, but I won't be partaking in the flesh of other animals.
You made one comment that stands out as one of the crux's of our impasse.
Humans are at the top of evolution and are intended to control the world.
For one thing, I am not so sure we are at the top of evolution. Only in one sense, that we can use our brains in a special way.
But we can't fly, we can't smell a drop of blood miles away, we can't do a great many things that Non Human animals can do.
You also said that we are intended to control the world. Who told you that ?
What text book did you read that in ? I think we would do much better to cooperate with the world. Matter of fact, our control and domination over the word will most likely be the cause of the next great extinction, which would also include us.
In our supposed advanced state of evolution, we should realize that causing other beings to suffer for our own pleasure and nothing more, is beneath us.

Link | Posted on Dec 20, 2016 at 17:59 UTC
On article Submit your best shots of 2016! (79 comments in total)
In reply to:

fwellers: Just a note about the categories. Many people (mainly all Vegans) do not consider animals to be things. They should go into the people category, as anyone that has sentience and is interested in their own life, is a person.
If you can't see that, you should t least be able to see that they are not "things" as is a block of wood or a bottle cap.
Please make a distinction in the categories, to reflect respect for animals. And for Vegans.
Thank you,
Floyd

Vesa1, your plant argument is just trying to cloud the issue.
If Animals matter morally at all, then they should be respected and not exploited. They are not things.
By your argument, since plants are alive, and we eat them, then we should eat animals. The same logic would say that we should eat humans also, because we eat plants.
If you love your dog or cat enough see that they are a person and not a meal, or a jacket, then you should treat other animals with no less respect. Because morally they do matter.

Link | Posted on Dec 20, 2016 at 14:23 UTC
On article Submit your best shots of 2016! (79 comments in total)
In reply to:

fwellers: Just a note about the categories. Many people (mainly all Vegans) do not consider animals to be things. They should go into the people category, as anyone that has sentience and is interested in their own life, is a person.
If you can't see that, you should t least be able to see that they are not "things" as is a block of wood or a bottle cap.
Please make a distinction in the categories, to reflect respect for animals. And for Vegans.
Thank you,
Floyd

Well I have to admit, I don't consider plants having an sentience in a physical sense. They don't even have a brain. I wouldn't deny the possibility of them having intelligence on another level though.
Humans have to eat somethng though. We can't harness our energy from the sun yet. <grin>. So in doing the least harm possible, or put another way, causing the least suffering possible, I am forced to eat plants.

Link | Posted on Dec 19, 2016 at 20:32 UTC
On article Submit your best shots of 2016! (79 comments in total)
In reply to:

fwellers: Just a note about the categories. Many people (mainly all Vegans) do not consider animals to be things. They should go into the people category, as anyone that has sentience and is interested in their own life, is a person.
If you can't see that, you should t least be able to see that they are not "things" as is a block of wood or a bottle cap.
Please make a distinction in the categories, to reflect respect for animals. And for Vegans.
Thank you,
Floyd

I wrote you a long reply, with a lot of logic and facts in it, only to realize afterward that I have a small word limit in the forum.
So I am not going to continue this conversation. I think you need to read up on animal rights, and veganism. there is just too much scientific evidence even concerning our own physiology being way more closely aligned with herbivores than carnivores or omnivores. You're just gonna have to do some research if you care at all about learning the truth about what how you satisfy your appetite really means to the world and to others.
My initial request stands.

Link | Posted on Dec 19, 2016 at 17:15 UTC
On article Submit your best shots of 2016! (79 comments in total)
In reply to:

fwellers: Just a note about the categories. Many people (mainly all Vegans) do not consider animals to be things. They should go into the people category, as anyone that has sentience and is interested in their own life, is a person.
If you can't see that, you should t least be able to see that they are not "things" as is a block of wood or a bottle cap.
Please make a distinction in the categories, to reflect respect for animals. And for Vegans.
Thank you,
Floyd

Vesa1, they aren't smart in the same way as humans, but they definitely have a capacity to suffer, to desire, a D to think. To say that they are "instinctive' and therefore just things with no moral value is the height of speciest arrogance. If they are just things, why do people go to jail for certain mistreatment of them?

Link | Posted on Dec 19, 2016 at 00:03 UTC
On article Submit your best shots of 2016! (79 comments in total)
In reply to:

fwellers: Just a note about the categories. Many people (mainly all Vegans) do not consider animals to be things. They should go into the people category, as anyone that has sentience and is interested in their own life, is a person.
If you can't see that, you should t least be able to see that they are not "things" as is a block of wood or a bottle cap.
Please make a distinction in the categories, to reflect respect for animals. And for Vegans.
Thank you,
Floyd

Vesa1,
Animals and humans have intrinsic moral value. Things do not have any moral value. That is all the difference!

Link | Posted on Dec 18, 2016 at 21:41 UTC
On article Submit your best shots of 2016! (79 comments in total)

Just a note about the categories. Many people (mainly all Vegans) do not consider animals to be things. They should go into the people category, as anyone that has sentience and is interested in their own life, is a person.
If you can't see that, you should t least be able to see that they are not "things" as is a block of wood or a bottle cap.
Please make a distinction in the categories, to reflect respect for animals. And for Vegans.
Thank you,
Floyd

Link | Posted on Dec 16, 2016 at 22:55 UTC as 10th comment | 19 replies
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