Dave Seeley

wow....  very similar sharpness w the ef v2.  Looks like less CA, but otherwise, it seems like an "acceptable" L, like the ef version is.  Too bad, given that R is the future, better would have ...

You are correct, though it should be easier with a smaller resolution sensor to do downsampled 4k w no crop.  Even still, the Nikon z7 seems to be pulling it off with a 46mp sensor.

I didn't think the R crop on adapted ef-s lenses was 1.6x....  I thought is was only an additional slight crop

They will certainly make and R16-35mm but maybe not small given that speed will also be a thing...   The efs equivalent of the M11-22 DOES mount on the R, though w some crop.... AND it's stm for ...

I care.  I want awesome 4K in a compact travel body.  One of my top priorities.  I want it in my travel system more than my studio system...

On the last point....  I'd argue that 31mp can mitigate that with a crop shooting mode...  given that the M successor may be stuck at 24mp.

I think if you don't like using the fast L glass on the M... that you likely won't be happy with the R.  It's looking like the lenses lineup won't be smaller than ef.  The 50L and 28-70L are ...

So I'll say that even w eos M....  I immediately wanted touch screen and touch focus on my 5D series too.  It seemed an obvious game changer.  It's one of the main things I want in any ff ml ...

I've been video taping my oil painting process w my 5Diii w 24-70mm L 2.8ii, but did a couple that went out of focus maybe because of jostling the camera or surface inadvertently...  thinking face ...

HOPE

I think the largest factor in expecting a sooner release, is the competition from competitors.  It makes logical sense that Canon needs to compete, even if customer loyalty mitigates customer ...

I am very skeptical that Canon would make an aps-c R model.

So the two aps-c listed are the same resolution as the current models... so could be anywhere in the M line...   It makes some sense that Canon may not increase resolution in the M line even in a ...

So another R...  a lesser model or the Sony A9 competition, and two APS-c w the same resolution as the current crop of M sensors...  If one of those was an upgraded M flagship w robust 4K, I'd be ...

but important to say that while I'm sad that the R is not for me...  I am very glad that Canon has jumped in big time, and the R lens lineup looks delicious if crazy expensive in two cases.

Marco... thanks for the thoughtful response...  and yes, between you and inthecards, I'm about to cancel my preorder.  I want two things from ff mirrorless that seem somewhat at odds...  high ...

No no... BIG difference in size and weight of the body at least when compared to the 5D lines...  but not as big a difference for the lenses, as physics is the limiter...  We know that from Sony.  ...

great point, and according the BH livestream event today...  more R models coming not so far away.  True that the high MP are less suited to 4K tho...  Love to get the next flagship M for 4K, and ...

I hear you, but I need the FF system for my job...  so not going anywhere until there's and R that does 50mp or more. Agreed on Z...  I'd go for it, if they had been Canon.

This is a canon ambassador compensated panel, but they claim it is sharper than the ef versions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=149&v=YU2ngPExP04