armandino

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On article Ask the staff: electronic or optical viewfinder? (889 comments in total)
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Camley: I use an EVF and it has several advantages such as ability to view the crop mode full size in the VF. Unlike many, I find the histogram miserable to use but I do like the large VF image in my camera (A7Rii) and features such as image magnification, focus peaking and eye tracking.

For me, the big disadvantage of an EVF is its use of battery power and the internal heating that occurs when I am looking for the best composition or waiting for the subject to be have the right expression, situation etc.. I don't want to be rushed into a shot and I take my time getting ready to press the shutter button. For this reason my vote goes to an OVF but these are rare on mirrorless cameras.

Histogram on A7RII is not so good, but it is useful in combination with Zebra.

Link | Posted on Mar 17, 2017 at 23:37 UTC
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Manny316: I don't understand the constant complain about EVF "lag". I shoot indoor sports using manual focus lenses(f/1.8) and use "single shot" and have never noticed any of the "lag" that everyone here seems to complain about. I get the action shots in the peak moment so "lag" I've never noticed.

@Manny316
completely agree, the issue is overblown. It used to be a problem, not anymore.
For NexLupus
in my case I definitely do not use mf single shot...

Link | Posted on Mar 17, 2017 at 23:33 UTC
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taktak91: Never taken EVFs seriously.
When I shoot with a DSLR, I use OVF.
When I shoot with a compact or a mirrorless, I use live view.

@taktak91
whatever makes you happy. Just keep if for yourself if that is all you can share out here.

Link | Posted on Mar 17, 2017 at 04:21 UTC
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David GranoDeOro: The instant view of OVF is easy on the eyes and replicates the dynamic range our eyes will see. But this is only meant for framing when shooting with film per the very reason it was invented. But the days of film are behind us and today to shoot in OVF is quickly showing it's age when compared to modern EVFs as the formers benefits give way to ever improving technology.

The very first EVF I've used was on the Fuji HS10 which was after using a Canon 5D for 3 years working in a photo studio and renting out a Canon T3i during my time at SCAD. In that time I greatly enjoyed the OVF but had the constant issue of chimping. After every shot I had to check the photo on the live view to be curtain I had exposed correctly and had nailed the focus and froze the action. Often I wouldn't realize I had moved from strikinglydifferent lighting all indoors and went an entire shoot with the same settings only to find many of the photos overexposed, blurry, missed focused, etc. Chimping wasn't a solution as I would often miss shots or would have the subject waiting while I checked.

Now on my Fuji HS10 the EVF was terrible in every respect to OVF except one crucial difference that blew away most of its weaknesses and that's exposure preview. This alone allowed me adjust on the fly while actively shooting and with playback in EVF I never missed a shot. Bc of this function I quickly developed my own style of shooting around the weaknesses of EVF to get as close the my experience with OVF. When time came for my first purchase of a DSLR I had a difficult choice. Go back to the system of OVF or see if there were EVF DSLRs. This easily sent me in Sony's direction as they were the only ones doing DSLR with EVF. After a few years shooting with the A65 I upgraded to the A7Rii.

There simply is no point to OVF looking through the lens when the camera will never record what you have seen as no camera is capable of recording the dynamic range of the human eye, nor the perception of the brain. It's far better to see what the camera will see and adjust in real time before taking the shot.

Today's EVF has nearly matched OVF in every way while exceeding it in orhers. And contrary to the comments of DPreviewers writer's comments it's incredibly useful in low ligjt. I've used the Sony A7Sii in total darkness out doors where I was shooting the milky way for the first time. I was amazed at the fact that it was able to display a live view of the milky way by gaining up on ISO and setting my shutter to 30s. Never before could I actively frame the galaxy in real time through the viewfinder before taking the shot.

I also love to focus manually with an 85mm f1.4 but on an OVF this was a pain as nailing focus truly was guess work. EVF on the other hand allows for image magnification and focus highlights which utterly trounced my experience with manual focus with OVF.

As far as I'm concerned OVF is a thing of the past best suited to diehard purists who would enjoy it along with driving the Model T and hand writing letters to friends....it's more of an emotional self serving experience that is no longer practical nor reasonable in today's world.

Just my humble opinion.

@David GranoDeOro
btw I like the way you write

Link | Posted on Mar 16, 2017 at 08:09 UTC
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PedroMZ: Quite simple really,what you see is more or less what you get with an EVF,especially the newer 2+MP ones. For somebody like me who is an amateur it helps a lot ,it is also fun to see how with a change in exposure the scene might be enhanced. I am sure Pros know exactly what to expect and thus an OVF has significant advantages but for the rest of us ........ I also find reviewing a photo on the EVF easier and more detailed than on the rear screen.

Actually, it is best for most pros in most shooting conditions too. The reality is that most pros are in love with their workflow and they also tent to look down to innovative technology that is not part if it.

Link | Posted on Mar 16, 2017 at 02:38 UTC
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Windeguy: Once you use a good EVF like the one on the X-T1 it makes you think twice about how much you think you like an OVF.

The "What you see is what you get" image from the OVF is quite helpful.

Fair enough ;-)

Link | Posted on Mar 16, 2017 at 02:35 UTC
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Windeguy: Once you use a good EVF like the one on the X-T1 it makes you think twice about how much you think you like an OVF.

The "What you see is what you get" image from the OVF is quite helpful.

@shigzeo
sorry to contradict again. While I might agree on low refresh rates and dark OVF preferences (although, I still think that who dislikes the EFV slower refresh rates it is only because is not used to it) , EVF kills OVF with manual focus when using magnification all the time if image stabilization is available (camears with IBIS are perfect for this). I have de facto manual focused conditions with the A7RII in which OVF does not allow you to see anything at all (i.e. very dark with not bright point sources).

Link | Posted on Mar 15, 2017 at 16:30 UTC
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Windeguy: Once you use a good EVF like the one on the X-T1 it makes you think twice about how much you think you like an OVF.

The "What you see is what you get" image from the OVF is quite helpful.

@shigzeo
likewise, I have no interest in defending EVF. I shot my whole life DSLr, and to get a sense, I shoot anything between 1/4 M to 1/2 M pictures/year. Professionally.
I am not assuming that you are shooting with slow lenses, I am asking what lenses is your experience with, because that can dramatically affect the results, and in order to better understand your argument I need to know where you come from.
Refresh rates issue is overblown for current state of the art EVFs, and the added brightness compared to an OVF easily offsets such disadvantage (again, with fast glass). No technology is perfect, there is a trade off in anything. Fact is if I have to shoot in a darker environment and I have in my bag both 1DX and A7RII (which I generally do) I will reach for the Sony without hesitation.

Link | Posted on Mar 15, 2017 at 06:19 UTC
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Windeguy: Once you use a good EVF like the one on the X-T1 it makes you think twice about how much you think you like an OVF.

The "What you see is what you get" image from the OVF is quite helpful.

@shigzeo and @Stu 5
you should specify what lenses you are using on the cameras. If you are using fast primes The EVF wins hands down.
Dear Stu 5 sorry I do not shoot the D700 or the 5DIV, I use instead the 1DX which has a superior OVF, yet with fast primes I take the A7RII any day in low light. I shoot sports, night events and even astro photography.

Link | Posted on Mar 15, 2017 at 03:04 UTC
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LDunn1: I looked through a Panasonic mirrorless a number of years ago, think it may have been a GH4, but I can't remember, but it was when EVF's had first started to appear. It was obvious that I was looking at an LCD, the LCD 'mesh' was noticeable. I disliked it immediately.

End of last year, I tried a Sony A7Rii for a couple of days, & the tech had really moved on, The EVF was not an issue to me at all, in fact, I kind of liked it!

I Don't know if the A7Rii EVF is now typical of all modern/current EVF's, but what would have been a deal breaker for me, is now at least acceptable to me, & possibly actually desirable.

@LDunn1
Battery grip on the A7RII is no brainer. Makes the camera to be one of the most comfortable to hold in your hands, weighting in total like a full sized DSLR without battery grip, so the grip of a probody with the weight of a semipro. Dual battery give you a decent life.

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 16:53 UTC
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armandino: I think there are mixed feeling and opinions because they offer very different experiences and there is a huge range of quality for both options, so if you mix and match them all it is hard to see a winner. Here is my opinion, note that I have been shooting with the best OVF for over a decade (1DX/s series) and I shoot with one of the best EFV (A7RII) on the market.
Comparing top of the class EVF and OVF, EVF wins in any situations but extremely fast sports, not all sports but only the ones demanding the the fastest responsiveness:

1) EVF gives you all the information you need before shooting. Couple this with manual exposure, auto iso, and a physical dial for exposure compensation, it beats anything else in terms of all conditions exposure set up.
2) It is far brighter with a fast lens in low light
3) Much more usable manual focus lenses especially if there is IBIS too
4) Zebra/focus peak
5) review images in daylight
6) seamless switching from monitor to EVF

Fois Giovanni

Go down the water and shoot some kite surfers, a lot more fun! Shoot wide from right underneath!
I got great pictures like that with a fisheye down in the Lagoa, Floripa.

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 07:49 UTC
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samfan: There are situations where one offers a clear advantage over another (e.g. fast sports for OVF, video for EVF etc.) but in general it boils down to this: OVF offers a more personal experience, a real connection to the subject, while EVF is more accurate regarding the output, and has some extra practical features (zebra etc.).

The way I see it, OVF is for having more fun during actual shooting, while EVF is for more clinical work with direct visualization of the result.

I prefer OVF as I like to have the direct light connection with the world in front of the lens. I also like to tinker with the images in post anyway so having an accurate preview isn't all that important. And manual focusing is quite possible even with the low-end DSLRs and fast lenses with a bit of training (I used to have Voigtlander 58/1.4 on Nikon D60), and better focusing screens are for sale too so I've never really missed focus assist either. But it depends on the eyesight too of course.

@samfan
what lenses do you mf with? For me for instance I like to shot wide open with fast lenses. Really not an option mf with an OVF even if you have a proper focus screen on it.

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 07:42 UTC
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Marco Cinnirella: surprised at how folks think an OVF is best in low light - really? Have you tried the best EVFs out there? You can set them to gain up in low light so you can see a lot better than you would through an OVF. They might be laggy if you make very rapid left-right movements but otherwise lag is also much improved on earlier EVFs. Also surprised by some forwarding the idea that even in good light EVFs introduce some lag that can make you miss a shot. The lag is imperceptible and I've never missed a shot because of an EVF. Perhaps the only remaining advantage an OVF has is when shooting sports at high FPS bursts where some EVFs will blackout at some point. Even there EVFs are getting better (e.g. EVF in the Sony a99ii). I used to shoot film SLRs but honestly, once you fully appreciate a good quality big EVF like that in the Fuji X-T1/X-T2 or Sony a99ii it's really hard to go back to OVF.

@NexLupus
actually they are 50-50, and some of the reasoning of the OVF supporters are often strongly biased (old school shooters) or straight out irrational (Sam Spencer, sure there might be a delay but if so small that is close to null compared to human response time, does it really matter?).
I own or owned 1DX, 1DsIII, 1DsII which have the best OVF on the market. I take the A7RII EVF any day over the 1DX OVF. Is not that I like it somewhat better, I like it A LOT better. And the 1DX is visibly better than the 5D series and D8xx series.

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 06:37 UTC
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Zoom Zoom Zoom: Like it or not, EVFs are the only future. There are positively zero advantages to an optical viewfinder as soon as brightness, contrast ration and pixel density count matches the human eye's resolution limit. And it's almost there. The technical and workflow advantages of EVFs compared to glass, are basically endless. In a few years, except hard-core boutique cameras, there are no optical viewfinders anymore on any camera. In fact, they don't make any sense anymore..as in.. don't we all go look at the back screen display of our cameras immediately after taking a photo? Well, then just look at it directly when you are actually taking the photo. I only respect those who insist in optical viewfinders if their camera is analogue film or if they don't have a back display as well, like with the Leica M-D for example. That's real photography and a workshop that purely justifies no EVFs or screens at all.. just you and your photo. Everything else, is hybrid nostalgic rethoric..

@shigzeo
"I'm not debating whether or not an EVF is helpful in arriving at a desired output."
Agreed
"I am debating whether or not EVF technology is at all close to the human eye "
Agreed
"and therefore able to replace an OVF"
DISAGREE - previous point does not imply this point.

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 06:26 UTC
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mbaginy: I've come to like EVF better. It shows me the histomgram and I get less blown out highlights using an EVF. The OVF requires more experience which can still end up wrong in more extreme situations.

Bottom line for me: EVF of my Fujifilm cameras, the Canon gear is going on ebay.

@shigzeo
I'd say "some benefits". There is a lot more to like about the EVF that OVF does not. The funny thing is that some of these you get to realize only after you have been using it for a bit, so who here is making a call based on a superficial experience with a good EVF, really hasn't clued in yet how much more is there to like.

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 04:03 UTC
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Zoom Zoom Zoom: Like it or not, EVFs are the only future. There are positively zero advantages to an optical viewfinder as soon as brightness, contrast ration and pixel density count matches the human eye's resolution limit. And it's almost there. The technical and workflow advantages of EVFs compared to glass, are basically endless. In a few years, except hard-core boutique cameras, there are no optical viewfinders anymore on any camera. In fact, they don't make any sense anymore..as in.. don't we all go look at the back screen display of our cameras immediately after taking a photo? Well, then just look at it directly when you are actually taking the photo. I only respect those who insist in optical viewfinders if their camera is analogue film or if they don't have a back display as well, like with the Leica M-D for example. That's real photography and a workshop that purely justifies no EVFs or screens at all.. just you and your photo. Everything else, is hybrid nostalgic rethoric..

@shigzeo
I really do not think that what you are seeking is actually the point, at least for most: it is far more informative looking at a screen that closely matches the output, rather than you having to process mentally filtering out the extra that will not be there at the end. Some might like what you want, but it is not something that helps you in taking the right shot.

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 03:59 UTC
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Windeguy: Once you use a good EVF like the one on the X-T1 it makes you think twice about how much you think you like an OVF.

The "What you see is what you get" image from the OVF is quite helpful.

@shigzeo
yours is a general believe based on old or low quality EVFs, or working with really slow glass. I have not tried an X-T1, but with my A7RII you will get such an issue only when it is so dark that an OVF is completely useless, so I guess still better than a totally black OVF.

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 03:52 UTC
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nawknai: At night: Always OVF
During the day: Mostly EVF, but sometimes OVF.

@nawknai

you must be kidding me! In low light it where the EVF shines!!!! Why in hell you would want the OVF ad night?

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 03:47 UTC
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Wally Brooks: Wow many more comments than normal!

Formula is simple Tripod = EVF; Handheld/Monopod = OVF.

I have both and found for any action photograph OVF is the way to go. For landscape, studio, even single shot street work EVF is great.

I disagree, a GOOD EVF works extremely well for action. Real time feedback on exposure, magnificent to look at in low light conditions, more sophisticate overlay information (i.e. level, face tracking, histogram, zebras...).

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 03:45 UTC
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left eye: One aspect of EVFs that I really don't like is the often childish design of the overlay information, it's not only in the way but often of a distracting brightness and font size.

Granted you have the option to shrink the view in the EVF and place the info above / below - but even this is ugly, and the shooting view then becomes too small for how the EVFs are optimally designed, so generally overlay is the only way to go.

Ok you can turn some EVF info off, though this is often in terms of full or minimum.

I wish EVFs had a large shooting view, with the info just at the bottom discretely, in one or two colours and the info not too bright [or with a brightness adjustment], and in a small professional font, basically to mimic info displayed in OVFs.

A7RII has a massive EVF and the information is hardly intrusive, you can toggle a different level of info details, you can also customize what to have as information

Link | Posted on Mar 14, 2017 at 03:38 UTC
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