franzfifty

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On article Sony Xperia 1 Mark II sample gallery updated (93 comments in total)

In general I'm very pleased with the camera output. You can see it's a smartphone camera, but it's not producing those horrendous overprocessed pictures of other apparent best in class smartphones. What I'm disappointed in is the heavily advertised quick focus and sharp pictures it should take..of moving subjects.. those pictures towards the end of the gallery of the dog show they either have still a lot of tweaking to do or - i hope not - they caught up with others with false advertising...

Link | Posted on Jun 3, 2020 at 16:04 UTC as 13th comment | 1 reply

They don't want to invest more time in app development. They are selling hardware and other "services" so maybe the app was not profitable.
Me personally i don't miss it. I tried it on the Pixel 2 XL, the Nokia 8.1 and the Pixel 4 XL. On none it worked particularly well, so why bothering anyway. I don't think it's a fragmentation issue, but lack of dedication in following up on a software product they didn't bother about in the first place. There are tons of Devs who work on their own and have amazing apps.

Link | Posted on Mar 5, 2020 at 13:45 UTC as 3rd comment
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Guy R: Sony's mobile imaging hardware has always been good, it's their software (and stubbornness) that's the issue.

Unless they wake up and smell the computational photography, my $300 Pixel 3a will likely continue to take better photos than their top flagships.

I'm also running a GCam Mod on my Nokia 8.1 which bests the Pixel 4 XL i had (and sold again) in absolutely any situation. I want to have a more granular control (manual) like the Sony Xperia can offer, but that's for some specific occasions. Otherwise i would just run a GCam mod all day because it's so good. Seeing the hardware on the new Xperia 1 Mark 2 is really interesting. Not a wild and seemingly random sensor and mpx setup (108, 13, 8, 20 etc like many others do) and this could be a good thing. But again, having tested the Xperia 1 in a store and the pictures were really great. I do simply NOT believe all the good reviews those Samsung and Huawei receive, it's just not true

Link | Posted on Feb 25, 2020 at 08:58 UTC
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franzfifty: I have tried the camera of the S20 Ultra in a store on Saturday and yesterday in a different store. The Main camera is really bad. Washed out and paint effect all over the place. The pictures looked like from a camera from 2015 of a phone costing 150 euros.
Then i compared with Huaweis and the S10 from Samsung which were all better. Then..i tried a Sony Xperia - since a long time i haven't touched one - and the camera was by far the best of all i tested. I'm seriously considering waiting until the new ones are out to test!

@panther fan: I don't know where you are, but if you have the possiblity to go to a store where they have the S20 line, try it out. The picture of a person taken from approx. 1.5-2 m distance look extremely noise reduced, grey skin tones (washed out) and also no details at all. Pictures taken from the shop were out of focus and also showed ghosting effect. Noise reduction was crazy.

Link | Posted on Feb 24, 2020 at 15:29 UTC
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Guy R: Sony's mobile imaging hardware has always been good, it's their software (and stubbornness) that's the issue.

Unless they wake up and smell the computational photography, my $300 Pixel 3a will likely continue to take better photos than their top flagships.

look, i absolutely agree here. I haven't touched for that reason a Sony smartphone in years. But on Saturday i tested the Xperia 1 (i think it was that one) and in that shop it took by far the best pictures compared to Huaweis, Samsungs etc. If they get it right with this Mark 2, then it's a different story. I always liked them, but couldn't stand their processing of pictures

Link | Posted on Feb 24, 2020 at 11:19 UTC
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franzfifty: I have tried the camera of the S20 Ultra in a store on Saturday and yesterday in a different store. The Main camera is really bad. Washed out and paint effect all over the place. The pictures looked like from a camera from 2015 of a phone costing 150 euros.
Then i compared with Huaweis and the S10 from Samsung which were all better. Then..i tried a Sony Xperia - since a long time i haven't touched one - and the camera was by far the best of all i tested. I'm seriously considering waiting until the new ones are out to test!

@panther fan. Why should this be BS? If i take a picture (after i reset the camera app to avoid using any strange configurations with beauty mode etc) and then shoot with 3 same phones but from different shops and the pictures look just bad at 12mpx, then it's not a problem i have if some are hurt in their feelings. I tried an A71 and an S10 of Samsung and they produced better looking pictures. Maybe that S20 Ultra is only capable of taking great pictures when shooting during conditions they want us to shoot. But that's not the case. Noise reduction is ridiculous. Anyway, maybe some people are happy with it and it's ok. I won't be buying it anyway but i just wanted to see how it really is.
I spoke to a Samsung employee and showed him the picture i took with the Nokia 8.1 and Gcam and he agreed the one from the S20 Ultra looked...depressing :-)

Link | Posted on Feb 24, 2020 at 11:15 UTC

I have tried the camera of the S20 Ultra in a store on Saturday and yesterday in a different store. The Main camera is really bad. Washed out and paint effect all over the place. The pictures looked like from a camera from 2015 of a phone costing 150 euros.
Then i compared with Huaweis and the S10 from Samsung which were all better. Then..i tried a Sony Xperia - since a long time i haven't touched one - and the camera was by far the best of all i tested. I'm seriously considering waiting until the new ones are out to test!

Link | Posted on Feb 24, 2020 at 09:00 UTC as 83rd comment | 12 replies

I find these features brilliant. Why would i bother carrying a camera with lenses around for the same if not worse effect like overexposed background etc. Google (but not only) shows how AI can create an effect which looks fantastic..
PS: If you don't like AI or computer-generated pictures why are you still using a DIGITAL camera? Or you think that picture from your Dsrl was done on a film..?

Link | Posted on Dec 18, 2019 at 15:45 UTC as 2nd comment

...in 3 years they will have invented it...:-)))

Link | Posted on Dec 13, 2019 at 15:59 UTC as 27th comment

This article is ANOTHER example of the situation. Enthusiast - so basically 0.001% (just a number, not reality) - claim a camera is better than a smartphone. In some cases yes, in others not. The reality is very different though! How exactly is saying "Cameras take better pictures" going to help the Camera Market which is being destroyed by smartphones? Cameras are going to be history very soon because the market doesn't care about them anymore. And whatever a camera enthusiast thinks about a smartphone, it won't matter anyway. Or can you prove the contrary? Seriously, nobody cares about a DSLR - they can't take a Night Mode picture as good in 2 seconds and post it into social media or send it to a group of friends right away. And again, those 0.001% do not matter.. Manufacturers had and are having the chance to change that. If they don't, find those canons and nikons in your nearby Museum soon..

Link | Posted on Nov 14, 2019 at 10:56 UTC as 53rd comment | 7 replies
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Matija Prajo: Or make the f***ng phones thicker, so we can have bigger batteries, easier to hold phones, and no bumpes!

@gonzalu - i don't have a car :-) but the iphone 5 was built mostly out of metal and not glass like today, so i can imagine quite easily you still have that one. i doubt anyone has still non-broken glass phones of first generations. i have also one or two older android phones which are made of plastic... i mean of course anyone has a choice to get what they want, but manufacturers make it easier to have their products broken also in scenarios where it shouldn't...

Link | Posted on Oct 16, 2019 at 13:53 UTC

I've seen "normal" pictures taken by users using the iphone 11 and the huawei p30 pro. the P30 Pro was always very bright in very low light but the iphone is a huge step brigher. the iphone tends to do what most phones do - create a pleasing picture, but do not zoom in. Have a look at highlights which are totally blown. The Pixel does that too, but in general has a better exposure.
have a look on twitter @RedSkullPro and his comparisons where you can clearly see some brutal highlight/artifacts from the iphone - something nearly every user doesn't care about, but i tend to not like at all.

Link | Posted on Oct 15, 2019 at 10:07 UTC as 29th comment | 1 reply
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Matija Prajo: Or make the f***ng phones thicker, so we can have bigger batteries, easier to hold phones, and no bumpes!

I get you, but apparently it's not clear to the User, that Business/Manufacturers work different than what the user wants. If I listen to the user/client, I give you a phone which is so durable and long lasting, you would only buy one every 3 or 4 years. But i want you to buy one every 6 weeks... So i'll make it thin, full screen so it breaks when i shout at it and there you go with costs to fix it (because you're not capable of using it (quoting apple)) or make you buy a new one. Business is NOT equal to Client need!

Link | Posted on Oct 13, 2019 at 11:15 UTC

Of course nobody cares because it's not from Apple. Once they will be having an iphone with 8K recording, it will be revolutionary.

Link | Posted on Sep 27, 2019 at 14:55 UTC as 12th comment
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franzfifty: As usual...when reading about Computational Photography from Google, everyone is about to shoot the "fake photography" or "Google collects data" bullets. Then apple releases and iphone and everyone is astonished at what they achieve with Computational photography...

So, Google gives away your data to 3rd parties? I think you meant Facebook! Facebook does that to earn money. Google KEEPS your data to make money. The ads you see is what you see for yourself. They place ads on YOUR screen so they make money. Apple is selling hardware and using Google products to make money as well.

Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2019 at 10:42 UTC

As usual...when reading about Computational Photography from Google, everyone is about to shoot the "fake photography" or "Google collects data" bullets. Then apple releases and iphone and everyone is astonished at what they achieve with Computational photography...

Link | Posted on Sep 18, 2019 at 15:19 UTC as 52nd comment | 4 replies

I never cared about the design or material of a phone, the only thing that annoys me is a notch. That's the reason i never got the Pixel 3XL. But from a usage point of view, software integration and camera experience, all other phones (Android and iphones) come second to any Pixel. This year i am going for an orange Pixel 4 XL. Astrophotography? If Google nails this mode as well as Motion Mode like they did with Night Sight / HDR+, then I'm pretty sure other manufacturers will have fuming brains.

Link | Posted on Sep 12, 2019 at 10:48 UTC as 4th comment
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wats0n: I used to be a Google fan, but they have abandoned so many products as of late. They have lost focus and don’t seem to put much effort into finished products. They seem a fractured company with internal issues and political divide hampering success.

so...this comment is a general sentiment towards Google and has nothing to do with the astrophotography mode. i assume you don't like this mode and prefer to invest in lindt&spruengli shares.

Link | Posted on Sep 12, 2019 at 10:30 UTC
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Imager of: And then Apple announces the next iPhone in September and once again, kills all the other competition out there! Anyone see a pattern here? Like every year!

@Jefftan - that's my setup (redmi note 7 and gcam) but it's not just better than an iphone, but also better than some high end Android smartphones. You can have a very cheap smartphone today with amazing camera - for everyone without having to spend thousands

Link | Posted on Jun 13, 2019 at 11:18 UTC
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donsalvadori: why would anyone spend 1000 on a camera phone when you can get an ASPC camera for around same price? World is nuts

why would anyone buy a crazy expensive DSLR if any cheap second hand film camera still produces better pictures... world is nuts really

Link | Posted on Jun 13, 2019 at 07:24 UTC
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