ThomasH_always

Lives in United States Santa Clara, United States
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Gotcha! Adobe is at it again, with practices which are completely foreign to us: Petapixel reports that Adobe took upon itself to delete Lightroom and replace it by the CC version during update:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/26/adobe-updater-deletes-lightroom-6-heres-get-back/

And in another interview, Adobe CEO was asked by an Australian journalist, how can they justify charging Australians more money by a drastic margin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78yigV0GYGQ

This is the interview from which the famous collage "parrot create-a-cloud" comes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2anU4t67wI

We are in heaven, full of beautiful clouds...

Link | Posted on Oct 27, 2017 at 14:25 UTC as 4th comment
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agnost: Adobe Lightroom "classic" has now become malware -- I'm serious. This morning I returned to working on a job that I started last night in Lightroom 6 and there was a screen blocking access to my work and prompting me to turn on the cloud version. But when I tried to get rid of the screen, the computer froze and I had to do an emergency reboot. When the computer restarted, the catalog with the photos I was processing had vanished, which required me to rebuild all my work. And Just a few minutes ago the same screen came up but this time I was able to make it disappear. Seriously Adobe, are you trying to precipitate a lawsuit?

Lawsuit? They do not care. I made similar experience already around 2015, if memory serves: Without any consent Adobe installed some Cloud Assistant, created numerous directories on my C: drive, despite the fact that I keep all applications on a separate drive called E:. It was difficult to remove this process and cleanup the mess. (In the age of the conventional hard-drives running applications on a separate drive delivered often a substantial performance boost.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2anU4t67wI

The next horrifying idea would be to "rent on time" firmware in cameras. They could do it just as well, yes? Lets pay $5 every month and each camera, or else camera would freeze: 'No License to take a Photo, please renew your subscription.'

Link | Posted on Oct 26, 2017 at 13:27 UTC
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sjprg: I don't use and don't give a DAM. I tried to reload the latest LR which installed OK as a clean install but as soon as I started to create a new catalog it started creating the catalog on the C: partition which is my system partition. It also started creating a cloud folder to sync on my C: partition. I kept trying to delete it but it kept coming back. F U Adobe, my 23 year old relationship is OVER. take your product and shove it.
What happened to the old setup routines that let you put your data files on different SSD or HDs.

Adobe CEO the "Create a Cloud" call to arms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2anU4t67wI

Link | Posted on Oct 25, 2017 at 14:40 UTC
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roderickma2000: As reported by other: "I tried to reload the latest LR which installed OK as a clean install but as soon as I started to create a new catalog it started creating the catalog on the C: partition which is my system partition. It also started creating a cloud folder to sync on my C: partition. I kept trying to delete it but it kept coming back. F U Adobe, my 23 year old relationship is OVER. take your product and shove it."

This is serious. What happened? Can someone tell me? Do you mean updating your standalone LR6 would syn your photos to Adobe without your permission? If it is true, is it legal for Adobe to do so?

Its sadly our "welcome to the future", according to one writer here.

Lookup MS Drive One, what issues they have: Some processes rattle your drives for 30-40min at a time, CPU consumption raises to 50-75%. OS gurus found out how to disable this stuff, delete some system files, and the system calms down.

On my Android phone came an Cloud Update, at 4am. The night dim clock was replaced by full-bright display and woke me. In half sleep I must have touch "yes" and Android updated itself. Phone dingle woke me again, strange numbers appeared on the screen:
04
34
What is it, I was stunned? Its.... time. Someone actually wrote an animation to move the customary display 04:34 toward this two lines display. I spend 2h online with t-mobile support to remove it. Icons got replaced by disturbing disgusting ones, and when I tried to download a similar looking ones, I had to create acc with Samsung, still cant do it. But Samsung Cloud sync's my files now, no clue which ones.

Heaven!

Link | Posted on Oct 25, 2017 at 14:22 UTC
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ThomasH_always: I have a memo note with all LR version purchases. I see purchases:

LR6 at Oct 10, 2015, and
LR5 at Aug 10, 2013. Etc. It goes back years and years to LR1

And except LR1, the purchases were for "upgrade", not the full new price. I calculate that the forcible switch to $10 per month, with following invalidation of product when I stop paying, TRIPLES the average cost of use for me. And the "invalidation" of the product is a major scare, of course. The dependency on ever existing and available internet is also an issue: Remember that Adobe's user data was also hacked, and we were asked to change our passwords, etc.

As I mentioned in another post: War Of The Clouds is at hand. Numerous entities openly, covertly, or forcibly make us "login" someplace, and fight for our files, which are copied god knows where and when. I have Samsung, Google, T-Mobile, Microsoft and now also Adobe Cloud. The MS OneDrive is so bad, that it caused CPU to collapse for 10-20min while "syncing".

Absolutely: PS standalone was, what $699 or about, if my memory serves. It is a serious classic application with an unmatched image manipulation potential for Pro's or artists. In such a case the $10 for access to all this functionality is surely attractive. No argument here!

Link | Posted on Oct 24, 2017 at 22:11 UTC
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ThomasH_always: I have a memo note with all LR version purchases. I see purchases:

LR6 at Oct 10, 2015, and
LR5 at Aug 10, 2013. Etc. It goes back years and years to LR1

And except LR1, the purchases were for "upgrade", not the full new price. I calculate that the forcible switch to $10 per month, with following invalidation of product when I stop paying, TRIPLES the average cost of use for me. And the "invalidation" of the product is a major scare, of course. The dependency on ever existing and available internet is also an issue: Remember that Adobe's user data was also hacked, and we were asked to change our passwords, etc.

As I mentioned in another post: War Of The Clouds is at hand. Numerous entities openly, covertly, or forcibly make us "login" someplace, and fight for our files, which are copied god knows where and when. I have Samsung, Google, T-Mobile, Microsoft and now also Adobe Cloud. The MS OneDrive is so bad, that it caused CPU to collapse for 10-20min while "syncing".

Thanks, Mystic38, I just wanted to say just that. Generally this "bundling" is a bad habit, or downright a menace to customers. How about offering LR 7 only in CC at (say) $4, min subscription 2 years to turn it into a perpetual license for the "major version of LR", here LR7. Than it would compare, and no one would be angry.

They can still offer their LR+PS or LR+storage bundles. Its called "freedom of choice." But by hiding of the standalone version of the LR for years already, and endless smoke campaign of confusion Adobe tries to force people into their money-sucking scheme. And that is the PR-issue which they face now.

Link | Posted on Oct 24, 2017 at 21:21 UTC

I have a memo note with all LR version purchases. I see purchases:

LR6 at Oct 10, 2015, and
LR5 at Aug 10, 2013. Etc. It goes back years and years to LR1

And except LR1, the purchases were for "upgrade", not the full new price. I calculate that the forcible switch to $10 per month, with following invalidation of product when I stop paying, TRIPLES the average cost of use for me. And the "invalidation" of the product is a major scare, of course. The dependency on ever existing and available internet is also an issue: Remember that Adobe's user data was also hacked, and we were asked to change our passwords, etc.

As I mentioned in another post: War Of The Clouds is at hand. Numerous entities openly, covertly, or forcibly make us "login" someplace, and fight for our files, which are copied god knows where and when. I have Samsung, Google, T-Mobile, Microsoft and now also Adobe Cloud. The MS OneDrive is so bad, that it caused CPU to collapse for 10-20min while "syncing".

Link | Posted on Oct 24, 2017 at 14:12 UTC as 63rd comment | 6 replies
On article RIP Lightroom 6: Death by subscription model (1630 comments in total)
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Dave Oddie: When LR came out I thought brilliant, sensibly priced software backed by a big company. Got to be a safe move from what I was using (Imatch) which was developed by one person. How wrong was I !!

I have worked in software developement myself for 35 years. The O/S on the hardware sold today (HP NonStop servers, formally Tandem) will still run software I wrote all those years ago. Corporate users demand this and would never stand for what Adobe is doing here. So called legacy systems still do lots of work.

Adobe can get away with this because most users are not of the size of Lloyds Bank but are individual pro or amateir photographers who on their own, lack clout.

Personally I think Adobe should be the subject of a class action due to effectively taking away the ownership of images unless you keep paying. It's blackmail in my book. There is a difference between a subscription model for software and having to subscribe to access your own assets, the images.

I so agree with every word you say. I do to work in software development for a comparable time. This entire Cloud fashion is being thrown at us, propelled by herd mentality and corporate interests. Cloud is of course of great interest to businesses and people using the product constantly. And like the "social media" hype, is now thrown at regular people, who might fire up the product every now and than. They are being taken hostage.

Link | Posted on Oct 23, 2017 at 14:41 UTC
On article RIP Lightroom 6: Death by subscription model (1630 comments in total)
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PredatorsPrey: Now Adobe tells us it will continue Lightroom Classic but I guess it will discontinued in a few years as well. So with this step, I'm not going to pay monthly for much longer. Like they said before: "Future versions of Lightroom will be made available via traditional perpetual licenses indefinitely."
Now we know, what adobe tells us is worthless, they proved that they wont keep their word even after just a few years.

And cloud storage.. I would only accept zero knowledge with on the fly client side encryption and public source code including build tools as a proof. Or if they want access to it and let Adobe Sensei learn from theses photos, then one shouldn't pay for it. As if one should pay for usage of their own photos.

And only 1TB for photographers? Honestly?

They lied, plain and simple.

And Tom Hogarty has the shameless audacity to step forward and give interviews with 'fake claims' that they simple follow the will of the majority. Well, maybe its the herd mentality? Confused people who believe that they step into a bright future of a better kind? They are being taken for fools.

I will NEVER subscribe to a software, which expire and annihilate my work, I will find an alternative. Its that simple, that decisive.

Link | Posted on Oct 23, 2017 at 02:38 UTC
On article RIP Lightroom 6: Death by subscription model (1630 comments in total)
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ThomasH_always: The big issue in the room is the unholy cloud development. Yes, unholy. We have now a War Of The Clouds on our hands. Everybody has a cloud drive and openly, covertly or contractually forces us into enlisting with their cloud and so our files somehow land somewhere "in the cloud". In my case I deal with Samsung Cloud, Google Cloud, T-Mobile Cloud, Microsoft One-Drive Cloud. And, wait for it: now also Adobe Cloud. Every each time we need to create an account in order to do anything, our files are "synced" in some dubious ways. The settings menus are often convoluted, wording is confusing, life is too fast and too busy to enroll into "a semester of NN-Cloud operations".

We would like to have our lives back. We would like to pay for a freaking product and have a stability in its operations. Once learned interfaces and flow of control should be preserved. We have untold TB's for pennies at home, we have the right to opt to stay private.

Dear Sirhawkey: they bundle the "cloud storage" in their packages, or you have to also bundle Lightroom with Photoshop. I do not Photoshop, and I will not do it. Sorry, this Old Gazer does not have the time left to learn it. What would I have to pay for? And if I would not touch my LR for 6-9 months, as I often do not do due to busy schedule and professional obligations, what do I pay for? The "Cloud" will expire.

My wife did it with MS Office. I was so upset, she insisted on licensing it (MS does not sell a license either). She paid $99 for 'Office' one year, wrote one paper and it expired before she wrote one or two more letters, for which she paid again $99. I use Open Office, and I am a pro, happy with Open Office, screw MS.

Well now I downloaded Capture One and I am fascinated. Super, cost more, but I will pay and have it working for as long it works in o the OS. I will file one BBB complaint after another against Adobe, not that they will care. But I will not waiver.

Link | Posted on Oct 23, 2017 at 02:26 UTC
On article RIP Lightroom 6: Death by subscription model (1630 comments in total)

The big issue in the room is the unholy cloud development. Yes, unholy. We have now a War Of The Clouds on our hands. Everybody has a cloud drive and openly, covertly or contractually forces us into enlisting with their cloud and so our files somehow land somewhere "in the cloud". In my case I deal with Samsung Cloud, Google Cloud, T-Mobile Cloud, Microsoft One-Drive Cloud. And, wait for it: now also Adobe Cloud. Every each time we need to create an account in order to do anything, our files are "synced" in some dubious ways. The settings menus are often convoluted, wording is confusing, life is too fast and too busy to enroll into "a semester of NN-Cloud operations".

We would like to have our lives back. We would like to pay for a freaking product and have a stability in its operations. Once learned interfaces and flow of control should be preserved. We have untold TB's for pennies at home, we have the right to opt to stay private.

Link | Posted on Oct 22, 2017 at 13:32 UTC as 61st comment | 3 replies
On article Hello Lightroom CC: Embracing the future (510 comments in total)
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ThomasH_always: This is a horrible article, full of buzzwords and pro-corporate arguments. This kind of arguments is called sophistic. By the subscription Adobe
1) literally triples the cost of use for LR
2) hooks to stream of money, or else you will lose your editing work
3) exposes to risks of remote access and adds an additional point of failure
4) forces people into a way of live which is a "live on pump" and not live on what you can afford.

The author seems to "come from far afar" and seem to be either very naive, or disingenuous. As I said: A sophist. Subscriptions are understandable for goods which we consume, like a flow of water, flow of electricity, bandwidth on internet. I will never lease a car, I will drive the one I can afford. I will never lease a software.

As of now we are surely traumatized, because we are losing our editing work and craftsmanship.

Dear mosswings: I happen to be in the software industry, I do it for life. Your argument is at fault, and the proof is simply the fact that billions of perpetual licenses were sold for almost half a century, and it works. This new "money sucking" scheme can be devastating to occasional users. For example: my wife insisted on getting a new Microsoft Office to write a few pages. She paid $99 annual license, since MS did it 1st a while ago: They stopped to sell Word, you have to lease it. She did not used it for 13 months, and when she needed to write something else she paid again $99, I was outraged. Even I use Open Office to avoid just that. Similarly with LR: When I am busy with file, I sometimes do not touch my LR for several months.

Now imagine we would also be forced to "lease camera firmware". Shutter is blocked, camera prompts for payment for the monthly License To Take Image. But the internet connection is spotty, or your credit card bank is down... Get it where it goes?

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2017 at 13:00 UTC
On article Hello Lightroom CC: Embracing the future (510 comments in total)
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stratplaya: I must say that I'm not too keen on this seemingly compulsory move to the cloud. Clouds can and do get hacked. It's not a matter of if, but when.

Oh my god, really? You need to ask? Research the story of the Wired Magazine writer whose Apple iWhatever was rebooted remotely and wiped out by a hacker, who "could", and all of his new born baby images were also wiped out from the Apple Store , because it was so tempting to do so. Being a professional, he opted to grant a full immunity to the perpetrator and rather talk with him and write about him, to grasp the reasoning as to "why to do such a thing to someone". The conclusion was , it was irresistible, simply put: He did it because he could.

Link | Posted on Oct 19, 2017 at 14:40 UTC
On article Hello Lightroom CC: Embracing the future (510 comments in total)
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I have a dream: "Whether or not you like the subscription based model, either way you pay for software updates, whether it's when you buy a new version (upgrading from 5 to 6) or continually via a subscription method"

The big difference is that when I buy, I can skip versions, buy one every 3, 4, 5 years or even only when my version is no longer running on a new version of Windows...

Exactly, but there is more: Imagine the, lets call it "Rishi Future":
You boot your computer, but it merely beeps and asks for a renewal of the subscription fee. The computer is no longer yours: You merely have a right to rent it. At noon all stops working, you have to pay a fee for renting of the OS, it happen to run out on this day.

When you try to take an image, camera prompts for a Camera Usage Fee for the week, which happen to not have been paid yet. But the internet access is weak where you stand, and when you finally get it, punch in your credit card number, the bank site is in maintenance and cannot process your payment.

Welcome Rishi to "your future".

Cloud and SaaS, Paas or IaaS are good models for corporate and business activities. We have now a flood of our customers going for it: They drop the need for hardware and its maintenance, they get a service for inventory and trade. Private users who grab the camera once a month are not interested.

Link | Posted on Oct 19, 2017 at 14:32 UTC

But I do not want to have storage from them. This is called "bundling of services" and should be combated by law. For example: You can only drive a car by licensing it, but you also get 1000 parking lots in a Cloud Parking everywhere where you go, and access to a car wash in the Corporate Pool of Car Washes.

Or: you try to take an image, but the shutter is disabled: You must add a new Camera Usage Fee for the week. But the internet connection is dead whee you stand. Or the bank web site is in service and cannot process your payment. What a world, unless Law Makers will take their job seriously and prevent this by law. I want to use what I can afford. I will purchase it and call it mine.

Link | Posted on Oct 19, 2017 at 14:10 UTC as 65th comment
On article Hello Lightroom CC: Embracing the future (510 comments in total)

This is a horrible article, full of buzzwords and pro-corporate arguments. This kind of arguments is called sophistic. By the subscription Adobe
1) literally triples the cost of use for LR
2) hooks to stream of money, or else you will lose your editing work
3) exposes to risks of remote access and adds an additional point of failure
4) forces people into a way of live which is a "live on pump" and not live on what you can afford.

The author seems to "come from far afar" and seem to be either very naive, or disingenuous. As I said: A sophist. Subscriptions are understandable for goods which we consume, like a flow of water, flow of electricity, bandwidth on internet. I will never lease a car, I will drive the one I can afford. I will never lease a software.

As of now we are surely traumatized, because we are losing our editing work and craftsmanship.

Link | Posted on Oct 19, 2017 at 13:43 UTC as 80th comment | 11 replies
On article RIP Lightroom 6: Death by subscription model (1630 comments in total)
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Zoom Zoom Zoom: :
I live by the motto of not paying for anything to become owned by the people that make it.

I only pay what I can own.

Exactly. Same here. Storage is very affordable, why to entrust private images to some remote server farm, why to be enslaved to a corporation ?

Link | Posted on Oct 19, 2017 at 05:43 UTC
On article RIP Lightroom 6: Death by subscription model (1630 comments in total)

I am also OFF Adobe by this move of theirs. I joined them as a Pixmantec customer, user of RawShooter. They bought RawShooter to destroy it, and to inherit its customers. After a shaky start, the reliability of LR 1, 2 maybe even 3 was catastrophic, it got really better, and clearly they made superb breakthrough in both functionality specification and implementation. But since TeraBytes of storage are easy available, I do not see any incentive to store my private files on any "clouds," or whatever you might call it. Why would I risk exposing my content to a storage farm, maybe located anyplace abroad for a better profit? And why would anyone of sound mind "rent a software" and risk losing the entire life long edits of images, should the rented product would go out of business, or its subscription would end???

As I see it, Adobe lied to us. I will file a BBB complaint, not that they would care, but its a matter of principle.

Link | Posted on Oct 19, 2017 at 05:32 UTC as 419th comment
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matthew saville: Wow, this is downright embarrassing. Manfrotto profits must really be tanking, if they've decided to just throw in the towel and concede victory to the cheap junk market.

Not that I'm surprised, with the sheer volume of "I bought an XYZ for only $$ and it's great!" ...that I've seen in recent years.

I don't know what you people consider "heavy use" or "smooth operation" WRT tripods, but I've lost count of all the knock-off brand tripods I've destroyed over the years. The center column starts wobbling. The leg angles start flapping incessantly and constantly need to be tightened. The legs start jamming because the cheap plastic shims inside the leg locks get all sloppy after a while. The rubber on the leg locks starts melting off and/or spinning freely, making a catastrophic failure increasingly likely. The rubber on the ballhead knobs dries and cracks and falls off. The ballhead itself gets hopelessly prone to either jamming or sloppiness.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

Indeed, I second what Matthew wrote completely. These knock-off product resemble in real life that car in Toyota ad, in which the car withers away to dust, to prove how environmentally good they are. With the downfall of middle class in our society came the need for a cheap junk, and with this need came the raise of untold tons of knock-off items in all disciplines of our lives. They literally 'wither away' as we use them, forcing us to constantly pick up a new item, and that in a long term adds up to these trillions, which now China can "proudly" present in as the new largest economy on the planet. A maker of Withering Dreams... Or Nightmares, rather.

If you have just a little money, and look at that $30 tripod to save some money, please do yourself a favor and get rather that $150-300 model. It pains at the purchasing point, but it will serve for life.

Link | Posted on Oct 10, 2017 at 13:51 UTC

And... this is the new "DPreview standard" for a newsworthy article?

Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2017 at 04:49 UTC as 71st comment | 3 replies
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