Revenant

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fedway: New youngish photographers will be moving up from smartphones. The Canon seems to have a better understanding of this audience. Then again, the mirrorless makers might have an even better understanding of that segment. Which includes Canon eos-m btw, and makes Nikon's lack of anything mirrorless as Nikon-1 dies a glaring deficiency.

"Which includes Canon eos-m btw, and makes Nikon's lack of anything mirrorless as Nikon-1 dies a glaring deficiency."

Yes. Canon's market share has increased recently, despite the fact that DSLR sales are declining. Nikon, on the other hand, has lost market share. Could the explanation be that Canon now has a viable mirrorless system, while Nikon hasn't?

Link | Posted on Aug 7, 2017 at 18:23 UTC
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Ben Herrmann: Y'know, I've long since accepted the fact that when you take away all of the super features that you pay for in more advanced (and expensive) DSLR's - when you get right down to it - the IQ coming from these more modest "entry-level" (I really hate using that term) can stand up to the best of 'em.

Some of the nicest images (read for "clarity" and "color balance" here) have come from so called entry level cameras. I realize our opinions on cameras and what we're looking for are all subjective, but for me, "it's the IQ stupid."

My only foray into Canon products at the moment are 4 cameras from their M series, which I thoroughly enjoy (but they sadly, need "MORE" EF-M lenses to make the system a growing and increasingly competitive one). But this new SL2 (regardless of how it is viewed - i.e. "entry level," "beginner," or what have you) has me very interested. I may pull the trigger on one in the next several weeks.

Yep, Canon's lens mount and the lenses made for it are called EF-M, while the bodies are called EOS M.

Link | Posted on Aug 7, 2017 at 14:23 UTC
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montventoux: it is kind of weird that when comparing the sensors not a single word is said about dynamic range

With the latest generation of Canon sensors (which the new 6D2 apparently hasn't been equipped with), there really isn't much between them in real-world use. Certainly not so much as to be more important than features, handling and general performance. I can't say that I've ever thought of the DR as a problem in older Canon cameras, either, but that may have something to do with the kind of pictures I take.

Link | Posted on Aug 7, 2017 at 13:31 UTC
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HenryDJP: While I do not know (or will pretend to know) Leica's financial health status, I cannot see how they are going to continue to survive catering to an extremely niche amount of consumers. When an aspiring photographer that wants to go "pro" for his business or a photographer that is a diehard enthusiast, the 2 major brands that will come to mind are Nikon and Canon. Sony's name may come up in 3rd, followed by Olympus and possibly FujiFilm. Leica just isn't in the top ten for consideration.
I've bought many cameras for years but needed to get a couple of pro cameras for my business. I've always known of Leica but was not going to pay for it, period. The camera body's are insanely too expensive when glass is first and foremost the most important along with the photographer's skills.
During sporting events, Nikon and Canon are used only. That's enough to tell you that Leica is not the preferred camera for pros.

"I cannot see how they are going to continue to survive catering to an extremely niche amount of consumers."

Maybe because that "luxury" niche is more stable than the consumer mass market, and with a more loyal customer base? A lot of people are happy to replace their camera with a smartphone these days, but someone who wants a Leica camera, and can afford one, probably won't settle for anything else.

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 17:27 UTC
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Dan DeLion: It has been a long time since Leica produced competitive bodies or lenses. Recently they’ve tried to be competitive in the fashion accessory realm with mixed results right along with murses (man purses.) It is tough to be a small company in an evolving segment when the competitors are large, hungry, innovative, and financially strong. Obviously, Leica can no longer compete and must look for rich savior. The question is: “will there be anything unique about the Leica brand after it is absorbed into whomever comes to its rescue”?

Leica isn't in trouble, they are doing pretty well at the moment. This is about an investor wanting to make a profit by selling their stock, which any smart investor does while business still is good. And since it's not a majority share, whomever they sell it to won't take control of the company.

I actually think that Leica's "luxury" niche is less threatened by the market decline, than the much bigger consumer part of the camera market is. They have little competition from the rest of the camera makers in that niche, and perhaps more importantly, less competition from the smartphone makers.

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 15:33 UTC
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Glen Barrington: Leica was a "fixer upper". Like a battered old house that needs repair, a smart investor comes in, does some repairs, and sells it off at a profit.

I have renewed confidence in the Leica marque now that I've read that the Kaufmann family has long term (i.e. hundred years) goals for the company. Maybe it isn't just a red dot people are buying!

I wonder if Blackstone is selling because those Kaufmann plans are at odds with the sort of profit taking Blackstone wanted. If so, I hope the next buyer is one of the old line camera companies with an interest in good optics (Canon? Olympus?) or one of the newer companies with a strong commitment to photography. (Sony? Panasonic? Samsung?)

Blackstone is likely selling because Leica is doing very well at the moment. It would be a poor business strategy for an investment company to wait with selling their stock until it goes downhill. They are looking to make a profit, and apparently think this is a good time to do so.

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 15:22 UTC
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cshyde: Wonder how much of Leica's income is derived from licensing it's trademark on lenses such as those that Panasonic puts on their enthusiast cameras like the LX100? They can't possibly sell more than a couple of hundred or so of their cameras and lenses a year at those prices.

I recall from a few years back, that Leica's market share was reported to be around 1-2%. According to CIPA, about 24 million cameras were shipped globally last year (yes, that's how small the market for dedicated cameras has become!). Let's round that upwards to 25 million, to account for the few non-Japanese camera makers still being around. This means that Leica sold at least 250,000 cameras last year, maybe more if it's true that their market share has increased recently.

Now, I know that there's a lot of uncertainty in that calculation, but I think it's safe to say that Leica is selling more than a couple of hundred of even their most expensive cameras.

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 14:16 UTC
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Trundling: This is actually some interesting piece of news. Huawei (and Chinese in general) are not likely. They do want Leica's name on their bamboo blowers but are they ready to chunk out X00 million American to OWN it as a minority? I'm not sure. Huawei produce "as cheaply as possible", Leica is on the opposite side of the spectrum. German engineers might just walk away, and finding high-quality engineers from Huawei's agricultural labor force may be very difficult.

Zeiss is interested but are they interested on their own behalf? The last thing they want is a half-dead nuveauriche-friendly brand that manages to suffer from quality issues despite being German. And managing two lines of products with enormously famous names may not be easy. But they may be interested on behalf of their long-time partner Sony who would be too shy to say they want in? I think the desire to buy a majority proves it's possible.

"finding high-quality engineers from Huawei's agricultural labor force may be very difficult."

I hope you were at least a little bit tongue-in-cheek there.

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 13:50 UTC
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newe: Maybe Nikon will buy!

Absolutely, Nikon hasn't been performing well recently, and may just have to accept reality as a smaller player in the camera market than they used to be. But there has been a lot of talk about Nikon being on the brink of extinction and going out of business in the near future. Nothing in their financial reports suggests that their current situation is that grim.

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 13:40 UTC
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dash2k8: Does anyone still think that Leica is making a lot of money? Listening to the Red Dot worshipers, you'd think Leica is #1 in sales across all platforms. It's one thing to be bought out by a bigger corp, it's another to put yourself up for sale.

@dash2k8

Do you have any evidence that Leica isn't profitable, besides guessing from the fact that a stockholder wants to sell its share?

In an article published earlier this year, Thom Hogan discussed Leica's financial health, and his conclusion was that the company is profitable and growing.

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/leica-is-healthy-but-theres.html

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 03:21 UTC
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newe: Maybe Nikon will buy!

Yes, Nikon's financial troubles have been vastly exaggerated. Many people got hung up on the talk about "extraordinary loss", which doesn't mean what many think it means.

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 03:09 UTC
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(unknown member): Is potential buy so Zeiss can claim they still make some lenses in Germany again?

"Made in..." usually means that the product was assembled in the country in question. Components may be sourced from anywhere in the world, and the design work may also have been done elsewhere.

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 03:03 UTC
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(unknown member): Is potential buy so Zeiss can claim they still make some lenses in Germany again?

I believe they still do, at least the cine lenses, which I don't think are made by Cosina.

Link | Posted on Aug 3, 2017 at 00:29 UTC
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justmeMN: DPR has an article about Sony's positive financial results, but didn't say a word about Canon's previously announced positive financial results. And DPR wonders why some people think that it has a pro-Sony bias.

"I think Amazon / DPReview is protective of them because if their status as a major distributor of Sony products. It's not unlike magazines who refuse to criticize their advertisers."

Amazon is a major distributor of the competitors' products too, not just Sony's. And since Canon sells by far the most cameras, wouldn't DPR be more protective of Canon than Sony by that logic?

Link | Posted on Aug 2, 2017 at 08:47 UTC
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munro harrap: What is wrong here? First the picture shows someone unable to see anything through anything with the camera in the grass too close to work in focus. 2. Then whoever it is endangers this machine with a coffee in his hand. 3. Then there is an article about the share price of a company, when this is allegedly a photography site, not lloyds of London, The Financial Times or an appropriate area...

While I laud many efforts here, reporting ANY companies finances is not one of them.

I'm sure that many readers, myself included, are interested in the state of the camera market, and the financial health of the companies making the equipment we use.

Link | Posted on Aug 1, 2017 at 18:48 UTC
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steelhead3: Nikon continues to abandon its faithful; where will it all end?

I don't think Canon would keep an unsuccessful product line alive, either. You wouldn't become #1 in any market with that business model. If they keep making them, it's because people are buying them.

Link | Posted on Aug 1, 2017 at 15:10 UTC
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Shiranai: I still wonder how they sell those 6D Mark II cameras for 2K while every review on the planet is like "Meh..."

Many people never read reviews, or don't care much about the technical details that reviewers get so hung up on. They just want a good solid camera, preferably made by a brand they're familiar with.

Link | Posted on Aug 1, 2017 at 14:15 UTC
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FromParisWithLove: A good news for both makers.
Let's just not forget where we are :
120 millions digital photo unit sold in 2010
24 millions digital photo unit sold in 2016

[If another company made a sensor that we believed to be truly the best quality, we would not hesitate to use it.]
[But to be honest when we’re looking at mirrorless cameras, and entry-level DSLR cameras, and high-end compact cameras, we don’t know which of those will become mainstream]

Masaya Maeda - Managing Director and Chief Executive, Image Communication Products Operations at Canon

No, not a staggering decline, but rather a saturated market waiting for the next big thing to arouse the interest of the consumers. And both DSLRs and mirrorless sit in the same boat in that regard.
The compact camera market, meanwhile, has been completely disrupted by smartphones, and is imploding.

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2017 at 23:53 UTC
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FromParisWithLove: A good news for both makers.
Let's just not forget where we are :
120 millions digital photo unit sold in 2010
24 millions digital photo unit sold in 2016

[If another company made a sensor that we believed to be truly the best quality, we would not hesitate to use it.]
[But to be honest when we’re looking at mirrorless cameras, and entry-level DSLR cameras, and high-end compact cameras, we don’t know which of those will become mainstream]

Masaya Maeda - Managing Director and Chief Executive, Image Communication Products Operations at Canon

Global shipments according to CIPA:

2010:
12.9 million ILCs (DSLR and mirrorless not specified)
108.8 million fixed-lens

2016:
11.6 million ILCs, of which 8.4 million DSLRs
12.6 million fixed-lens

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2017 at 22:35 UTC
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TonyPM: Thing is you can get images that are just as good with a cheap apsc, as long as you have just as good light as the one used in that location.
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I don't think there's a law that says that you always should use the cheapest equipment capable of doing the job. You use whatever you like and can afford.

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2017 at 18:15 UTC
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