Revenant

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Wild Light: Hasselblad is destroying Phase One now.

Phase One has no mirrorless camera and are behind the times. Hasselblad is owned by a fast moving cashed up company.

Bye bye Phase One

But no camera maker has been doomed for as long as Canon. Every year of the last decade has been their last year in existence.

Link | Posted on Jan 22, 2018 at 11:16 UTC
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Tatouzou: Where are Panasonic M43 in the ILC mirrorless still cameras?

JVC is actually #3 in digital video cameras, not Canon. And that category does not include hybrid cameras like GH5 or A7S, those are included in the mirrorless category.

Link | Posted on Jan 19, 2018 at 10:13 UTC
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PVCdroid: This comes out every year and is completely irrelevant to whats going on in the industry and is filtered to get the incorrect results. Yea right, Canon mirrorless beats Sony.

Why is it so hard to believe that Canon outsells Sony, despite being more conservative on the innovation front? After all, Canon DSLRs have always absolutely obliterated A-mount cameras in sales, despite the latter being claimed to be technically superior (by Sony fans, anyway).

And as rrccad points out, a couple of years ago, when Canon was not among the top three mirrorless sellers in Japan, wasn't the data filtered to get incorrect results back then? Or is it only when Canon does better than Sony?

As far as we know, BCN collects sales data from about 2/3 of Japanese retailers, and then reports the results. There's no evidence that the data has been tampered with at all. It certainly seems more trustworthy than the preconceived opinion of a random forum commenter with a clear bias against a certain brand.

Link | Posted on Jan 19, 2018 at 09:52 UTC
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beavertown: Canon has better built hardware than Nikon.

At the top-of-the-line level, I don't think there's much difference between them. Both the 1DX II and the D5 are built to withstand some serious abuse (and weather).

Link | Posted on Jan 19, 2018 at 07:29 UTC
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mosc: What I still haven't heard explained is why they would roll out mass slowdowns to ALL phones when MANY of those phones don't have original batters or when their purchase dates can vary by over a year. Clearly the age of all batteries in every iphone 6 in the world varies greatly from "near-death" to "practically brand new" and deciding to slow down ALL of them to the "near-death" battery's weakness to spontaneous restarts is just lazy.

Also, as many technical folks have pointed out, the battery's spontaneous restarts are due to fluctuation in output that are far less likely when the battery is charged or PLUGGED IN. There is no need for battery related throttling to be so ever-present to begin with.

There are lots of people who haven't experienced any slowdowns, presumably because their batteries are healthy.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 19:27 UTC
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virtualreality: It would be interesting to see sales of (additional) lenses.

BCN ranks sales of lenses too. Tamron replaced Nikon at the #3 spot.

Canon 21.9%
Sigma 16.2%
Tamron 13.7%

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 10:16 UTC
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RubberDials: You need to contextualise the mirrorless figures.

Canon's mirrorless offering is 100% consumer-level equipment none of which costs more than £750 and most of it far far less.

Sony's offering is mostly pro and prosumer equipment, including four bodies and several lenses costing more than £2K. There is no chance of that outselling Canon's stuff. Canon doesn't sell more 5D's than Rebels.

The company selling the sensors aren't the one making the cameras, though. That's even more true after the latest restructuring of Sony Corporation, when the semiconductor business was made much more autonomous.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 10:10 UTC
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Bob Tullis: "I'm not dead yet!" - DSLRs

The first mirrorless ILC, not counting rangefinders, was the Panasonic G1, released in 2008. So closer to ten years than eight.

It's problematic to use an EVF to distinguish between DSLRs and mirrorless, because not all mirrorless models have one. Sure, they have an LCD screen, but so do DSLRs. And a DSLR could theoretically be made with a hybrid OVF/EVF viewfinder. I guess full time liveview is a better way to express the difference.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 10:04 UTC
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LessMirrored19: 20% of Sony's 4500$ 3200$ 2000$ sales don't equal to 20% of canon's M5/M6 .... Misleading information

It's not misleading at all, unless you expect marketshare figures to be based on sales value rather than unit volume. They rarely are,

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 09:49 UTC
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SaltLakeGuy: I consider this reality like the easter bunny. No freakin way does this have ANY relationship to real world levels of performance evaluated by someone that actually has a clue about photography. Oh well. Like all the rest of the fake news we're used to so no surprise.

"No freakin way does this have ANY relationship to real world levels of performance evaluated by someone that actually has a clue about photography."

Nobody claimed that it has. This is about sales and marketshares, not about the merits of individual products.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 09:44 UTC
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panther fan: So let's see how meaningfull those results are. In Japan According to the BCN Olympus lead mirrorless with 27.7% market share. Let's see the data published by olympus themself:
https://www.olympus-global.com/ir/data/brief/pdf/financial150PA.pdf
They expect for the fiscal year 2018 (ending march 31 2018) a shipment of 490000 ILC.
If you use the CIPA data from march to november 2017 and replace december to march with data from last year you end up with:
11.6% mirrorless market share and
4.1% ILC market share

So it seems that the market in japan doesn't correlate well with world wide shipping. Let's hope other companies will some day publish similar data.

I believe Nikon provide that information in their financial reports.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 09:41 UTC
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panther fan: So let's see how meaningfull those results are. In Japan According to the BCN Olympus lead mirrorless with 27.7% market share. Let's see the data published by olympus themself:
https://www.olympus-global.com/ir/data/brief/pdf/financial150PA.pdf
They expect for the fiscal year 2018 (ending march 31 2018) a shipment of 490000 ILC.
If you use the CIPA data from march to november 2017 and replace december to march with data from last year you end up with:
11.6% mirrorless market share and
4.1% ILC market share

So it seems that the market in japan doesn't correlate well with world wide shipping. Let's hope other companies will some day publish similar data.

The results are meaningful for Japan, which is what the report is about.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 08:28 UTC
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GiovanniB: I guess the figures for mirrorless system cameras would be VERY different in value instead of in units. Canon EOS-M offerings mostly address casual users, while Sony makes most of their business with higher-valued cameras for the professional and semi-professional markets. Canon has nothing to come even close in price per unit and imaging performance to the Alpha 7 series.

Marketshares are normally calculated based on unit sales, not sales value, because it's a better indicator of the popularity of the brand, as opposed to the cash flowing into the company, which is not what market analysts are primarily interested in. And having a larger customer base also means a larger potential for revenue in the future, should the company choose to shift towards higher-value products.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 08:27 UTC
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MinceyFresh: Is Casio being #3 in the "digital camera with integrated lens" category a typo? I don't think they've released anything out of the ordinary in the past few years besides their selfie cameras, but those were mostly hits in China, if I'm not mistaken...

Casio withdrew from the western markets, hence the silence here, but they still maintain a presence in Asia. Besides the selfie cameras already mentioned, I believe they release new high-speed compacts in the ZR line every year.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 08:19 UTC
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007peter: I'm most surprise by the complete LACK of FUJI X system in native Japan. Fuji vs Sony are the 2 system I heard the most when people consider switching to Mirrorless. Looking @BCN rating, Fuji X doesn't even make an appearance. What give? Does Fuji not sell well outside of DPR forum? The Panasonic chart is believable, I've seen many Gh2/Gh3/Gh4 in USA, but when traveling to Asia, I've never seen a single Panasonic, just Olympus + Sony mirrorless.

Fuji aren't absent, they just aren't among the top three. Keep in mind that the top three in mirrorless has a combined marketshare of barely 70%. In other words, Fuji, Panasonic and the rest are sharing 30% between them, so Fuji's share could possibly be almost as large as Sony's.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 08:15 UTC
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Scott Pickering: I don't see why Canon is number one, other then marketing. It is the least innovative of the three companies (Canon, Nikon, Sony) and is using more old technology in their cameras then the other 2. They especially are lacking in their sensor technology. Yet Canon hold the number 1 spot. I used to be a Canon guy, but switched long ago when they couldn't keep up.

The fixation on innovation and technology that's so common among enthusiasts, is not representative of the average consumer. People don't know or care what components are used in their microwave ovens, hairdryers or TVs, they just want them to work. It's the same with cameras for most people.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 08:09 UTC
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ozturert: So Canon sells only 4-5 bodies (mostly low-end, casual models), 5-6 lenses, and entered mirrorless market many years after Sony. By the way, Sony also sells entry level models such as A5000, A6000, even Nex-5r. And if you look at lens variety in Sony, it is like 5-6 times more than Canon's mirrorless line.
And you can lift shadows by 5 stops in Sony whereas Canon is only good for like 3? And Sony 6500 has incredibly fast AF, fast FPS, can take 4K video whereas Canons only take 1080p@60? And Sony has the only full frame mirrorless models in the market?
And still Canon beats Sony?
So guess what is wrong with Sony's strategy and marketing message?

Yes, in the consumer space good marketing definitely sells products, more so than any intrinsic qualities of the products themselves. But it could also be that the majority of customers doesn't care quite as much about technical specs or lifting shadows as the typical internet forum enthusiast would think.

Link | Posted on Jan 18, 2018 at 07:54 UTC
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Xeexon: I hate to be boring- I’ve moved on from Pentax/Ricoh system long ago (though that was my first love and how I introduced myself to DSLR photography)- but it is so unfortunate that with over sampling based on sensor shift tech, like many other technologies they’ve pioneered, Pentax was so far ahead of its time that it seemed like a gimmick when it first came out. Now that everyone has adopted this tech and rebadged it as revolutionary, Pentax is not even a footnote in history.

I’m not asking for anything to be amended in the article or crying out for justice, but I am just amazed at the crap luck Pentax has had. Was it the lag in autofocus and video that did them in, or was it just clunky implementation of said revolutionary features (or even bad marketing/assessment of customer needs)?

Would love to hear opinions, but please remember to be gentle in your criticism- I am still a Pentaxian (read: Pentax fanboy) at heart.

@LensBeginner
Olympus does exactly what Pentax does, but with an added twist; each series of four exposures move the sensor in 1-pixel increments. However, the second series is shifted half a pixel compared to the first one.

So, each series of four exposures gives full colour data for that position, but the fact that the second is shifted half a pixel compared to the first also allows the capture of more luminance detail. Of course, some kind of algorithm must then merge the two data sets into one, but how much this impacts IQ I have no idea.

Link | Posted on Jan 17, 2018 at 10:15 UTC
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Xeexon: I hate to be boring- I’ve moved on from Pentax/Ricoh system long ago (though that was my first love and how I introduced myself to DSLR photography)- but it is so unfortunate that with over sampling based on sensor shift tech, like many other technologies they’ve pioneered, Pentax was so far ahead of its time that it seemed like a gimmick when it first came out. Now that everyone has adopted this tech and rebadged it as revolutionary, Pentax is not even a footnote in history.

I’m not asking for anything to be amended in the article or crying out for justice, but I am just amazed at the crap luck Pentax has had. Was it the lag in autofocus and video that did them in, or was it just clunky implementation of said revolutionary features (or even bad marketing/assessment of customer needs)?

Would love to hear opinions, but please remember to be gentle in your criticism- I am still a Pentaxian (read: Pentax fanboy) at heart.

Did Pentax use pixel shift to make high-res images in any camera before the K-3 II was released in 2015? If not, then Hasselblad beat them to it by several months, having released a multi-shot digital back in 2014, and the Olympus E-M5 II was announced a couple of months earlier too.

And Olympus implementation is of course not just a "rebadge" anyway, since it doesn't just capture full colour data by taking four exposures shifted a pixel width apart, it also captures more detail by taking a second set of four exposures shifted half a pixel width compared to the first set.

Link | Posted on Jan 16, 2018 at 14:20 UTC
On article On Assignment with Kylie Mazon and the Canon EOS M6 (135 comments in total)
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escapewheel: After using nearly every mirrorless system (okay, except for Sigma), I've found the EOS-M system to be best all-around *for my purposes*. Compact, great user interface, logically placed controls, Canon colors, very good video output. Master of none, highly capable at most everything. Slap on the EF adapter and your options are unlimited; use the 15-45 or 22 f2 if you want to go super compact. I used to be one who scoffed at the on-paper specs of the M line, but in every day use it's a winner.

"I used to be one who scoffed at the on-paper specs of the M line, but in every day use it's a winner."

This kind of echoes Thom Hogan's statement that the EOS M5 is more than the sum of its parts, while the Sony A6xxx (I don't remember the exact model he was talking about) is less than the sum of its parts. He was talking about the actual user experience rather than on-paper specs.

Link | Posted on Jan 16, 2018 at 07:34 UTC
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