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Thanks Olympus, I wasn't expecting this. Small AF points are very welcome. Well done for looking after your customers.
davidgp: Nothing listed here makes me want to upgrade from Elements 10. Though I use LR4 for most of my editing.
Now, if only Adobe could work out some way to make you pay them money even if you don't want to upgrade...
Good idea.
lazy lightning: (Reuters) - To stem the red ink on its loss-making camera division, Olympus Corp has decided to rely on a format that so far has been a flop outside of its home turf in Japan.
The company on Tuesday released the "OM-D E-M1", a mirrorless model Olympus says is the first of its kind to compete on quality with traditional single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras.
Olympus is now hoping the E-M1, priced for the pro market at 145,000 yen ($1,500) for the body alone, will help it boost mirrorless and SLR sales by 24 percent to 7.3 million units to allow its camera business to finally break even for the first time in four years.
The E-M1 illustrates Olympus's dedication to the mirrorless format, heralded at its inception as a happy marriage between the size of a compact camera and the picture quality of an SLR. But the format has so far failed to connect with consumers outside of Japan, with most seeing it as an awkward compromise.
Now who's putting words into peoples mouths? ;-)
lazy lightning: (Reuters) - To stem the red ink on its loss-making camera division, Olympus Corp has decided to rely on a format that so far has been a flop outside of its home turf in Japan.
The company on Tuesday released the "OM-D E-M1", a mirrorless model Olympus says is the first of its kind to compete on quality with traditional single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras.
Olympus is now hoping the E-M1, priced for the pro market at 145,000 yen ($1,500) for the body alone, will help it boost mirrorless and SLR sales by 24 percent to 7.3 million units to allow its camera business to finally break even for the first time in four years.
The E-M1 illustrates Olympus's dedication to the mirrorless format, heralded at its inception as a happy marriage between the size of a compact camera and the picture quality of an SLR. But the format has so far failed to connect with consumers outside of Japan, with most seeing it as an awkward compromise.
Hmm. Reading your message and mine, I don't think I misinterpreted you!
Markintosh: I'm happy for Oly fans, but personally don't see the point in bulky, oversized mirrorless camera with small sensor compare to DSLR. The price of body and lenses is separate story — you can find the full frame options very close to this price. All impressive features still doesn't make this camera a professional tool — and here Olympus lost the touch with reality a little bit. Again, this is just my personal opinion.
I think the point is that M43 is a complete system with a lot of choice. Within that system you have cheap, small cameras (EPM3, GF5), highly capable small cameras (EM-5, EP-5, G6) and larger (but still small compared to DSLR) fully featured cameras. And you can use the same lenses across the whole range.
Yes, the biggest M43 cam is not dissimilar in size to the smallest APS DSLR, but the system as a whole is significantly smaller and lighter.
lazy lightning: (Reuters) - To stem the red ink on its loss-making camera division, Olympus Corp has decided to rely on a format that so far has been a flop outside of its home turf in Japan.
The company on Tuesday released the "OM-D E-M1", a mirrorless model Olympus says is the first of its kind to compete on quality with traditional single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras.
Olympus is now hoping the E-M1, priced for the pro market at 145,000 yen ($1,500) for the body alone, will help it boost mirrorless and SLR sales by 24 percent to 7.3 million units to allow its camera business to finally break even for the first time in four years.
The E-M1 illustrates Olympus's dedication to the mirrorless format, heralded at its inception as a happy marriage between the size of a compact camera and the picture quality of an SLR. But the format has so far failed to connect with consumers outside of Japan, with most seeing it as an awkward compromise.
So what you are saying is that you don't want it to achieve widespread success?
lazy lightning: (Reuters) - To stem the red ink on its loss-making camera division, Olympus Corp has decided to rely on a format that so far has been a flop outside of its home turf in Japan.
The company on Tuesday released the "OM-D E-M1", a mirrorless model Olympus says is the first of its kind to compete on quality with traditional single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras.
Olympus is now hoping the E-M1, priced for the pro market at 145,000 yen ($1,500) for the body alone, will help it boost mirrorless and SLR sales by 24 percent to 7.3 million units to allow its camera business to finally break even for the first time in four years.
The E-M1 illustrates Olympus's dedication to the mirrorless format, heralded at its inception as a happy marriage between the size of a compact camera and the picture quality of an SLR. But the format has so far failed to connect with consumers outside of Japan, with most seeing it as an awkward compromise.
Are you keen to see M43 'fail', lazy lightning?
MrTritium: A comparison with the Sony-Zeiss f4 16-70 :
- The Oly lens is 1 stop faster, but a same gen. APS-C sensor will perform slightly better than a m43 one. However the difference is less than stop if we compare OM-D vs NEX-7:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/793%7C0/(brand)/Olympus/(appareil2)/736%7C0/(brand2)/Sony
- Both start at eq. 24mm, but the SZ goes to 105mm while the Oly stops at 80mm.
- Eq. depth of field should be slightly better with the Oly: f5.6 vs f6
- The SZ is smaller and lighter: 67mm x 75mm & 308g vs 70mm x 84mm & 382g
- The Oly isn't stabilized, but Oly's IBIS is excellent. SZ lens has OSS
- The Oly is splash/dust proof, I dunno about the SZ
Close call. If I had the money I think I would choose a Nex6/7+16-70 over an E-M1/5+12-40 for a slightly smaller and lighter package. But then there are more nice primes in m43 mount...
And the Oly has significantly higher magnification (multiply by crop factor to get a fair comparison).
But... we have no idea how either one performs optically yet, or how they focus, or how much they extend.
Chaitanya S: Only thing Olympus and Panasonic should do now is slow down the release of new cameras.
They seem to be getting the idea now, plus I think the rate of mirrorless tech development is slowing down (slightly). The higher quality cameras tend to operate on slower release cycles (OM-D, NEX-7, GH3) whereas the cheaper ones seem to come out every five minutes.
Hubertus Bigend: Fuji seems to do everything right, as of now. The whole X sytem makes the impression of a completely different (higher) level of perfection than the other mirrorless systems, better thought-out and much more consistent. Why do Olympus or Sony fail to design such lenses? They have nothing comparable, and what they have sometimes is still even more expensive.
On the other hand, the X system bodies do feel slightly plasticky in hand, and while the X system lenses look nice and solid, their internal mechanical parts are completely made of plastic (i've seen several cut-in-half lenses on display), so we don't know yet whether the stuff will be as durable as it looks.
All mirrorless cameras lose value quickly (at the moment), as the technology is developing so rapidly. Nikon's 1 series is one of the worst in this regard. In my opinion nobody should buy a mirrorless camera as an investment, or with the expectation of a good resale value (unless selling very soon after buying). Buy it to take photos with and you should be happy, however.
Hubertus Bigend: Fuji seems to do everything right, as of now. The whole X sytem makes the impression of a completely different (higher) level of perfection than the other mirrorless systems, better thought-out and much more consistent. Why do Olympus or Sony fail to design such lenses? They have nothing comparable, and what they have sometimes is still even more expensive.
On the other hand, the X system bodies do feel slightly plasticky in hand, and while the X system lenses look nice and solid, their internal mechanical parts are completely made of plastic (i've seen several cut-in-half lenses on display), so we don't know yet whether the stuff will be as durable as it looks.
Fuji's system does look compelling, and well thought out with regards to the needs of photographers. I don't think you should discount Oly/Pany/Sony's offerings though, as they do some things significantly better than Fuji (e.g. size, focus, IS etc). Everything is a compromise.
steelhead3: Who does yabokkie work for?
No idea, he may just dislike any sensor smaller than FF. He posts negative comments on both M43 and NEX announcements.
I just hope the low-res EVF doesn't put new people off EVFs for good!
DELETED88781: DSLR Price, high end pocket quality
In what way did you find the quality to be like a compact camera?
zodiacfml: Sony being first again... I mean, I was thinking that "some" FF cameras will eventually lose their low pass filters since the image detail of some APS-C filterless cameras approach/equal those of the FF cameras.
You mean 'first' after Nikon?
I'm a dedicated M43 user but this lens, at this price, impresses. Similar NEX and M43 offerings are a lot more expensive. I just hope the IQ doesn't reflect the price!
BSweeney: With an Olympus product, wait a year for a 40% price drop. 2 years, 70% price drop. They need to price the camera at a reasonable price, recover NRE over more sales, and lower product turn-over rate. My lesson learned with the EP2.
If you have money to burn, love u43, go for it.
...says the Leica user.
So this means we will have the choice between a crippled perpetual license version, or a CC version with all the bells and whistles?
nathansmith: "It will provide the angle of view and depth of field control of an 86mm F3.2 lens for a full-frame system" is in the 2nd line.
See why ALL Micro Four-Third lenses lose two full f-stops of depth of field control at http://discoverfullframe.com.
This is a Nikon 1 lens, not a Micro Four Thirds lens.