453C

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Indohydra: How would this camera do at burning man? I am more concerned about dust, and perhaps the ability to change a filter that quickly gets scratched up.

Easy to add a filter:
https://www.olympus.com.au/Products/Accessories/Compact-Digital-Camera-Accessories/Conversion-Lenses/CLA-T01-Converter-Adapter/Content

Link | Posted on Dec 9, 2017 at 00:06 UTC
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453C: Most of the objections are about the utility of the camera, not its marketability or profitability. I see two main purchasers: misguided grandparents buying them for the kids, and the hipster doofus crowd. I think it may sell well to both groups, and make a tidy profit for whatever entity has control of the Yashica name.

But I still don't want one, Mom.

fmaxwell - Time for a recap. Take a look here: https://tinyurl.com/y7dle99u
You'll note I referred to "the hipster doofus crowd" in the first post of this thread.

I later wrote this: https://tinyurl.com/y9rd73ok
In that post, I referred to "cool creatives".

That's why I wasn't sure why you said this: https://tinyurl.com/ybxgtvd3
I think we've been talking past each other since then. No big deal.

Link | Posted on Dec 7, 2017 at 00:26 UTC
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453C: Most of the objections are about the utility of the camera, not its marketability or profitability. I see two main purchasers: misguided grandparents buying them for the kids, and the hipster doofus crowd. I think it may sell well to both groups, and make a tidy profit for whatever entity has control of the Yashica name.

But I still don't want one, Mom.

Also, to the minimalists that revel in the limitations of this camera, what prevents someone from taking nearly any other camera and using it in the same PhD mode? "Push here, Dummy" has been a mainstay of photography long before digital, and even advanced cameras offer it if the photographer wishes to artificially limit their options. Yes, that cheap E-PL1 can do that, too. No, there's nothing special about this "Yashica" in that respect, either.

To my eyes, this product is another example of the Emperor's clothes. Sounds great up front, but in the end, after all of the superlatives are stripped away, there's really nothing there anyone wants to see.

I wish them well, but I suspect that many people that end up with one of these cameras in their hands won't be nearly as excited about it after a few minutes use. I hope that those moments of fun are enough to prompt them to explore better options.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2017 at 22:20 UTC
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453C: Most of the objections are about the utility of the camera, not its marketability or profitability. I see two main purchasers: misguided grandparents buying them for the kids, and the hipster doofus crowd. I think it may sell well to both groups, and make a tidy profit for whatever entity has control of the Yashica name.

But I still don't want one, Mom.

Raist3d - "The thought of others having fun with this little affordable camera really gets on the nerves of some here :-)"

You and several others seem to have completely missed the reason for most of the criticism, and have tried to turn it into an issue of "fun". Maybe this will help.

Remove the styling from this camera, leaving a box of exactly the same size, weight, specifications, and capabilities. Make the photographer carry several small cubes that must be inserted into the camera to access other features - features that are needlessly tied to the use of those cubes.

Why would anyone choose that camera over any number of similarly priced options with dramatically advanced capabilities, yet much better usability? A used Olympus E-PL1 and kit lens can be had for the same price or less. For a few dollars more, a used E-PL1 and a bright prime are available, with so much more to offer than this bastardized Yashica.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2017 at 22:20 UTC
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453C: Most of the objections are about the utility of the camera, not its marketability or profitability. I see two main purchasers: misguided grandparents buying them for the kids, and the hipster doofus crowd. I think it may sell well to both groups, and make a tidy profit for whatever entity has control of the Yashica name.

But I still don't want one, Mom.

fmaxwell - "I see two main purchasers: misguided grandparents buying them for the kids, and the hipster doofus crowd." - see the first post in this thread.

Raist3d - " I see two main purchasers: misguided grandparents buying them for the kids, and the hipster doofus crowd." - see the first post in this thread.

I said nothing about the targets of the marketing, and I believe those two groups are likely purchasers. Seems pretty straightforward to me. :shrug:

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2017 at 21:57 UTC
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453C: Most of the objections are about the utility of the camera, not its marketability or profitability. I see two main purchasers: misguided grandparents buying them for the kids, and the hipster doofus crowd. I think it may sell well to both groups, and make a tidy profit for whatever entity has control of the Yashica name.

But I still don't want one, Mom.

fmaxwell - Like I said, the hipster doofus crowd.

Link | Posted on Dec 5, 2017 at 22:50 UTC
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453C: PM sent

I was trying to be nice to the author, so I deleted my post about a correction and sent her a message. Contrary to the article's text, the Milan Army Ammunition Plant is located in Tennessee, not Fort Riley, Kansas.

Link | Posted on Dec 3, 2017 at 06:10 UTC
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453C: PM sent

The fat man walks quickly.

Link | Posted on Dec 1, 2017 at 21:20 UTC

PM sent

Link | Posted on Dec 1, 2017 at 05:12 UTC as 35th comment | 3 replies
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Ab Latchin: This should be a lesson in how detached dpr members are from successful mass market ideas.

This is a lesson in how detached successful mass market ideas can be from photography.

Link | Posted on Nov 30, 2017 at 03:39 UTC
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Graham Austin: You lot need to lighten up! People like novelty, who cares if it isn't the best quality or if it is a bit of a faff, it's supposed to be fun! I for one welcome some innovation, even if it isn't to everyone's tastes! This will encourage others who may have ideas you all may get behind

Lobbamobba - I'm not putting words in your mouth. All I asked is that you clarify what you said, as I may have misinterpreted it. If you don't want to do that, fine by me.

Link | Posted on Nov 30, 2017 at 03:31 UTC
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lb77: Very smart concept. I like the price being so low that hispters will not bother to ask for refunds when they discover their unable to achieve the same photos marketed on kickstarter (which, btw have the disclaimer: "The above photo is for reference only. It just intends to illustrate the style and mood to be delivered". I see people here talking like purists defending this against others who are suppose to be the snobs (i suppose i must be one), like if this wasn't an extremely pretentious toy and not the other way around. I would rather advise someone to get a honest 2nd hand digital camera for that money, even if it was ugly or uncool. Alternative is to get an old film camera for less than 100$ and some real film rolls. A very hipster friend of mine gets amazing beautiful results with her old cheap camera and lens and out of date film. She gets the results they are marketing.

Well said. I've given better, more useful cameras away.

Several commenters seem to have let their love of the form blind them to the realities of the camera.

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 15:08 UTC
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453C: Most of the objections are about the utility of the camera, not its marketability or profitability. I see two main purchasers: misguided grandparents buying them for the kids, and the hipster doofus crowd. I think it may sell well to both groups, and make a tidy profit for whatever entity has control of the Yashica name.

But I still don't want one, Mom.

No, most kids will use the cameras in their phones. I didn't say it'd be marketed to them. It's clearly being pushed at the cool creatives that groove on this kind of "experience".

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 15:00 UTC
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deep7: Excellent news! The antithesis of the madness driving cameras to ever-more complexity. You wouldn't expect much support for the concept on a gadget-worshipping site like this but I can see a lot of people finding this fun.

If the camera is seen for what it is, I guess it could be fun, but it's clearly being promoted as much more than a fun option. Look at some of the emotional responses here, likening this to film rangefinders and such. That's a bit much, IMO.

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 14:57 UTC
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darlot: I have seen worse , this is only $124 and actually many so call "Hipsters" take much better photos and interesting to see than people on dpreview who spent few thousands dollars on lenses and bodies to take photos of their cats, dogs, walls or just talking about gears instead of making photos.

Worse, I have seen on my FB feed recently about people are buying Leica cameras with Noctilux , Summilux lenses as fashion accessories , showing off together with their Hermes, Prada bags.

This is a nice camera, and interesting concepts. Clearly people like it.

csharpguy - There are several digital rangefinder-ish options available, and none of them rely on fake film canisters. If someone is that enthralled with pure rangefinder photography, they can still shoot away with real film. This camera is a gimmick. If it appeals to someone, I wish them well, but let's not drag real rangefinders into this.

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 14:51 UTC
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darlot: I have seen worse , this is only $124 and actually many so call "Hipsters" take much better photos and interesting to see than people on dpreview who spent few thousands dollars on lenses and bodies to take photos of their cats, dogs, walls or just talking about gears instead of making photos.

Worse, I have seen on my FB feed recently about people are buying Leica cameras with Noctilux , Summilux lenses as fashion accessories , showing off together with their Hermes, Prada bags.

This is a nice camera, and interesting concepts. Clearly people like it.

darlot - Nothing you're implying about me changes anything about the camera. If you like it, fine by me, but let's not make it out to be anything special. It's not.

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 14:46 UTC
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Graham Austin: You lot need to lighten up! People like novelty, who cares if it isn't the best quality or if it is a bit of a faff, it's supposed to be fun! I for one welcome some innovation, even if it isn't to everyone's tastes! This will encourage others who may have ideas you all may get behind

I interpreted your post as it was written. If you meant something else, please clarify your comment instead of assuming I'm defensive.

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 14:43 UTC
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Graham Austin: You lot need to lighten up! People like novelty, who cares if it isn't the best quality or if it is a bit of a faff, it's supposed to be fun! I for one welcome some innovation, even if it isn't to everyone's tastes! This will encourage others who may have ideas you all may get behind

If someone doesn't find this product to be "fun", they're uptight?

Makes as much sense as anything else about this camera.

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 06:02 UTC
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Graham Austin: You lot need to lighten up! People like novelty, who cares if it isn't the best quality or if it is a bit of a faff, it's supposed to be fun! I for one welcome some innovation, even if it isn't to everyone's tastes! This will encourage others who may have ideas you all may get behind

Q: "How do we innovate the $100 compact camera?"

A: "Make it look like an antique, make it needlessly complex with ersatz cartridges, and charge $130 for it."

Brilliant!

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 05:43 UTC
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darlot: I have seen worse , this is only $124 and actually many so call "Hipsters" take much better photos and interesting to see than people on dpreview who spent few thousands dollars on lenses and bodies to take photos of their cats, dogs, walls or just talking about gears instead of making photos.

Worse, I have seen on my FB feed recently about people are buying Leica cameras with Noctilux , Summilux lenses as fashion accessories , showing off together with their Hermes, Prada bags.

This is a nice camera, and interesting concepts. Clearly people like it.

What is "nice" about it?

What "interesting concepts" does it introduce?

Link | Posted on Nov 29, 2017 at 05:39 UTC
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