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21:9? The higher aspect ratio Galaxy S phones are harder to use one handed. 21:9 will be even more difficult and with the pointy corners less comfortable.
All standard UI elements should be moved to the bottom of the screen. The Chrome beta was setup this way for a while and it was easier to use.
sunilkumar: finally joystick, I own nikon D8XXX series cameras but for all my travel and family pictures i always pick fuji.
I wish my nikon could have fuji jpeg engine.
I'm not sure getting the joystick and loosing the 4 buttons of the D-pad is worth it. AF point control by swiping the screen worked pretty well. Loosing the D-pad is 4 less customize-able direct access buttons.
Dima_467: Okay, so Fuji is in no hurry to make the weather protection any lower than the top line of cameras... Sad...
Weather sealing is also beneficial in dusty dry environments (US desert southwest). I wish my XT20 had the sealing of my prior Pentax when I'm on a multi day backpack trip or out shooting an MTB race in clouds of windblown dust.
Vignes: and other cameras C-AF is not doing real time tracking?
it's just the speed of the AF processing aided by certain Algo.
it's never real time as such REAL TIME because there is processing lag even if it's in nano seconds.
And processing time can be accounted for by the AF system measuring closure/departure rates then predicting where the subject will be considering known processing & electro-mechanical lags.
Joe_Taylor: This might sound kind of silly, but I think it would be fascinating if NASA had a implemented a decent enough audio/mic recording system to record ambient audio from the exterior surface of Mars, even if it's just a gust of wind or just the sound of the tracks crunching on the surface gravel would be so thrilling.
@Barty L, doh, you're right. I mis-typed. Thanks!
LessMirrored19: Why a multi billion dollar project only manage to send back a poorly low resolution image .. why not mounting a good medium format camera?
1 MP is an improvement over the 1 pixel camera on Viking. The single photo cell translated vertically and rotated around the vertical axis. Image resolution was controlled by amount of translation and rotation between readouts (6 bits per color).
sh10453: Extremely tense last few minutes for those who watched it live.
The arguments for and against such extremely expensive projects will of course go on, ranging from the wow! what an awesome project and objectives, to the wow! what a big waste of taxpayers' money to satisfy the obsession of a few people at NASA / JPL.
or that Mars could be crawling with numerous robots of various configurations (static, rolling, flying, etc.) in lots of different locations vs what it'll cost to send people to Mars to land in only one location.
Eric Calabros: Guys, I'm pretty sure your 42MP camera doesn't work in −63°C. So let JPL use its tough 1MP camera. Horses for courses.
The Viking had a 1 pixel camera that translated and rotated mechanically. Image resolution was controlled by the amount of translation and rotation between readouts.
Joe_Taylor: This might sound kind of silly, but I think it would be fascinating if NASA had a implemented a decent enough audio/mic recording system to record ambient audio from the exterior surface of Mars, even if it's just a gust of wind or just the sound of the tracks crunching on the surface gravel would be so thrilling.
The thermometer that InSight will plant on the surface will be able to 'hear' what's going on inside the planet as well as meteor impacts.
paulfulper: I want to see night photos of Mars and their Aurora Borealis.
What are the probe night sensor capabilities ? How many pixels and high ISO ?
Plus an aurora requires a magnetic field. But Mars has almost no magnetic field which is why its atmosphere has been blown away by the solar wind.
For similar computational capabilities (super resolution or averaging for night) in any phone check out the A Better Camera app in the Play store. It produces a 27.3MP image from the 12MP sensor on my Galaxy S7. The image has more detail with less sharpening than images from the stock camera app. Night pictures are noticeably better as well.
Gal Root: R.I.P dedicated cameras.
I'm kidding, we're not there yet..but we're on the path to that point unless Canon/Nikon pull out a rabbit out of a hat.
@MyReality if the process is pixel binning or pixel shift/super res is there control in the PP software that would make the outcome better or would the smartphone likely produce the same quality in those cases? Honest Q... idk the answer. I can understand how a skilled user could get better results manual PP in other cases.
miric: What's next? Don't take your smartphone out of your pocket to make shots?
Maybe. The possibilities and consequences are scary: https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/12/15957844/ai-fake-video-audio-speech-obama
XeroJay: I'm of mixed feelings about much of the direction that computational/AI photography is trending towards. On one hand, it's all very cool and allows for results that seemingly defy the traditional laws and limitations of photography. On the other hand, there's a purist in me who's been a full time pro photographer for 18 years, and I can't help but feel conflicted in a sense. I suppose it's only a matter of time before this level of AI and beyond creeps into "real" cameras... but is it "real photography" if AI is doing so much of the heavy lifting?
Much of computational photography in phonecams is making lesser optics and sensors in constrained packaging produce better images for the masses. We'll see what happens after extending into enthusiast and 'pro' cams. Was using matrix metering in a film camera 'real'? Your experience will still be available by selecting degraded mode. But the casual user will have a much better experience because their priority is capturing moments.
I had a similar conversation about my mirrorless Fuji XT20 & kit zoom being a point and shoot experience compared to the other fellow's Nikon full-frame and 30 pound backpack full of 'reality'.
What is very disturbing about computational, AI enhanced photo and video is the completely fake images or videos including audio that can be generated (for instance, of a political leader being portrayed as making some statement) and the truly 'fake news' that will result with damaging real world consequences.
Gal Root: R.I.P dedicated cameras.
I'm kidding, we're not there yet..but we're on the path to that point unless Canon/Nikon pull out a rabbit out of a hat.
The 1" compacts and ILCs will need to incorporate computational features of their own.
NJOceanView: I use Hydra all the time for stacked hi-res photos that have none of that "crumbly" look that comes with the iPhone's native photo app. To me, its only shortcomings are that 1) it works only on the 1.8 lens and 2) does not have a ghost elimination feature. So if either of those two criteria are important, I use the Cortex Cam app, which similarly stacks images on both the 1.8 and the 2.8 lens and has ghost elimination, but requires a bit of sharpening vis-a-vis Hydra's output.
On Android check out A Better Camera: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.opencam
it has several computational photographic modes including super resolution.
Will Samsung get rid of the mechanical dual aperture feature? I've stuck with my S7 mainly because i've felt for my uses the newer Galaxy S phones weren't significantly better. This S10 camera config plus advances in computational photography might motivate me to upgrade.
Ivan Surikov: I own s9 plus and it combines both amazing photo and video features, love it, took hundreds of photos and videos with it already, love the aperture control and especially pro mode.
The thing that i can't understand is why can't Samsung add pro mode (manual settings) to the telefoto (live focus) lens, and the ability to save .dng files as well as shooting the video from that second camera itself, rather than switching to main camera and recording in x2 digital zoom...
Who needs this protrait mide? Better bring pro mode to it, Huawei and Pixel are way better in live focus anyway...
In my opinion If there will be a PRO mode to each of the rumored cameras, then it's a real innovation and money worth spending device which will be the only one you ll probably need!
Agree on live HDR applied to the jpg file in PRO mode. Why not?
Alternately, i've gotten to like the HDR Scape tool in Snapseed. It does a really nice job.
Mischa Bronstring: All nice, but when will we see a camera app which will offer the possibility to dial down the noise reduction? It's the one feature I'm actually looking for (though the histogram in this one is nice to have as well).
If on android check out A Better Camera (don't know about iOS). Several of the modes DRO, HDR (others?) include settings for noise reduction levels. ABC also includes a Super mode that uses multiple frames to generate a higher resolution image from actual data (not interpolated) and the resulting image has noticeably more detail with less NR and sharpening applied than the stock camera (on my Galaxy S7).
The Android app A Better Camera is using some nice software tricks (averaging for one) and less aggressive image processing to produce nicer looking, more detailed images than the stock camera app on my Galaxy S7. A Better Camera also produces better low light images with more detail and less noise.
A Better Camera and the software centric 360 Rylo action cam show that software is mostly where significant advances will be coming from. I'm looking forward to the next Rylo-like smartphone app that is 360 camera agnostic to drive down price.