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Thank you Sony, Panasonic, Fuji and Ricoh....
I think the retro thing the least of the problems. The sensor is the biggest one.
Yashica just proved that 99,99% of the people taking photos nowadays are not photographers.
Clever move.
Social networks drive what photography became. Sad or not, it's just reality.
They have to make profit. And since they already have 1 million dollar to make the camera, they made the right move.
worldcup1982: In resume:
Great resolution, bad DR, noise noise and noise even at iso 100, slow as hell, color shift and... At the bargain of...8000 usd... Ok, then they got real and the price went down almost 6000usd..lol
Oh, wait, I forgot, it's better than medium format according to some users, even with all the above
Pretty much all wedding, sports and many other photographers, including national geographic ones shoot at and above ISO 800.
And at ISO 100 the Merrill already has awful shadow noise, so your argument about about image quality is just no sense.
Just because is good by your standards doesn't mean is good for others.
In resume:
Great resolution, bad DR, noise noise and noise even at iso 100, slow as hell, color shift and... At the bargain of...8000 usd... Ok, then they got real and the price went down almost 6000usd..lol
Oh, wait, I forgot, it's better than medium format according to some users, even with all the above
worldcup1982: The best phone camera still cant match a good old 1/1.7 sensor from a compact câmera.
The funniest part is to read that the nokia 808 is one of the worst phone cameras..LOL
@shooter45
i fully agree. Only the photographer knows what is best according to his needs.
The thing that happened here is pretty obvious. Dpreview had to adapt themselves because of mobiles.
Before, this was a website for camera reviews. Compact câmeras, DSLR, bridges and etc.
Now, since the Market shifted, and people use their phones to do everything, Dpreview also probably need to please this audience
JT26: Forget DXO for a moment, read all the reviews of the phone online, or all the camera comparisons, they are pretty much all saying the same as DXO, that the iphone 8 is the best out there.
For people saying 'large sensors cannot possibly be outscores by this little sensor'.... why not? Its already been said that when we are talking about tiny sensors, software, lenses, sensor technology, image processing (remember its powered by a monster chip) are all as or more important than just image sensor size!
So sure, DXO could just be losing their marbles... But every other reviewer out there is saying the same thing, that the iPhone 8 is the best smartphone camera on the market at the moment....
"For people saying 'large sensors cannot possibly be outscores by this little sensor'.... why not?"
Can you show me a review where a tiny little mobile camera sensor outperforms at least a 1' sensor?
worldcup1982: The best phone camera still cant match a good old 1/1.7 sensor from a compact câmera.
The funniest part is to read that the nokia 808 is one of the worst phone cameras..LOL
true indeed, but since i prefer quality over convenience, i will use my phone for texting, calling and email...and my cameras for taking pictures
The best phone camera still cant match a good old 1/1.7 sensor from a compact câmera.
The funniest part is to read that the nokia 808 is one of the worst phone cameras..LOL
irrelevant...
LWW: I've been following these comments with some interest - and I am pleased. So very pleased that those of us that know and can accomodate the short comings of these cameras can rise above the banal, and do some unique stuff. The less 'shooters' take them up, the more 'photographers' with these tools, will make good the attributes they provide. They are not for the pixel peeper, they are for those that can recognise an opportunity, whack you between the eyes with impact, and tell a story. They have changed my approach, and what I see. The less of them about the happier I'll be in my point of difference.
Pretty much any modern camera can produce something unique...
Very fair review, thanks...
IdM photography: Even if both the Sony RX1R II and the Fujifilm X100F have 35mm (35mm equivalent for the Fujifilm) lenses, it is difficult to compare an APSC sensor with a FF sensor... Obviously the RX1R II camera is much more expensive, but if you want to do very serious (or professional) phoography, this camera is the only option... The RX1R II has the best existing FF sensor... It also has a central shutter (no vibrations when taking your photo), and should be declared Winner.
@IdM photography ...who said i am serious? :)
IdM photography: Even if both the Sony RX1R II and the Fujifilm X100F have 35mm (35mm equivalent for the Fujifilm) lenses, it is difficult to compare an APSC sensor with a FF sensor... Obviously the RX1R II camera is much more expensive, but if you want to do very serious (or professional) phoography, this camera is the only option... The RX1R II has the best existing FF sensor... It also has a central shutter (no vibrations when taking your photo), and should be declared Winner.
Serious photographers stay away from dpreview endless gear discussions
PhotoKhan: You can "change the game" as much as you want, resorting to DNG included.
All these samples show color casts that are very difficult to balance, as samples 63 to 65 clearly and aptly show.
Foveon sensors far from being a photographers ally make color an enemy to contend with.
It has been so for 15 years and, apart from proving that a significant part of the population is, indeed, color blind, it is a mystery tantamount to commercial suicide why Sigma insists on this technical solution.
@PhotoKhan ...its hard to discuss here at dpreview. People get very upset, like the cameras made them better photographers. The SD1 price drop was embarrassing...these purple/green spots/blotches are really strange...at iso 400...
https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/6057976272/photos/3619575/
PhotoKhan: You can "change the game" as much as you want, resorting to DNG included.
All these samples show color casts that are very difficult to balance, as samples 63 to 65 clearly and aptly show.
Foveon sensors far from being a photographers ally make color an enemy to contend with.
It has been so for 15 years and, apart from proving that a significant part of the population is, indeed, color blind, it is a mystery tantamount to commercial suicide why Sigma insists on this technical solution.
@Mark Banas. If im not mistaken, it's a private company, so no one knows how much money they make from cameras...
PhotoKhan: You can "change the game" as much as you want, resorting to DNG included.
All these samples show color casts that are very difficult to balance, as samples 63 to 65 clearly and aptly show.
Foveon sensors far from being a photographers ally make color an enemy to contend with.
It has been so for 15 years and, apart from proving that a significant part of the population is, indeed, color blind, it is a mystery tantamount to commercial suicide why Sigma insists on this technical solution.
Photo 51 shows some strange colors at the guys face...purple, green...unless his skin is like that...and at iso 400. I guess its a low iso camera
worldcup1982: I really see no difference from any other 24mp camera file converted with a good software
@Mescalamba...true, the merrills have a particular look and more detail, i like them...it does look like film...too bad...
worldcup1982: I really see no difference from any other 24mp camera file converted with a good software
Im not trying to be provocative or anything...merrills and previous had huge difference from bayer sensors...i've downloaded files from the quatros...sky is noisy...sharpness and detail for foliage are simply not there anymore...
I really see no difference from any other 24mp camera file converted with a good software
aramgrg: No mirorrless in the shaw. Yet...
The real surprise is not having any Iphones....but we will see them soon enough :)