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On article DPReview TV: Canon EOS R5 review (857 comments in total)

Seems lots of folks will be getting this camera.

Link | Posted on Aug 2, 2020 at 13:53 UTC as 42nd comment
On article DPReview TV: Canon EOS R5 review (857 comments in total)
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A Owens: This is a very strange "review".

The only quantitative test data provided WRT to overheating was 19 minutes shooting 8k internal video indoors or over 60 minutes shooting 8k external. Is this bad? How does it compare to competing 8k-capable hybrid cameras of a similar price / size / weight / functionality ?

The reviewer concludes that the camera is "pretty disappointing" as Canon "has spent months hyping this thing up as the ultimate 8k production tool". Really? Can someone provide a link to where Canon claims this is the "ultimate 8k production tool"? Fantastic hybrid, yes. But production 8k video machine?

The reviewer then finishes his piece by lauding the unreleased, untested Sony A7sIII.

Is it just me ?

As some have requested, here is the final table from Gerald
https://twitter.com/GeraldUndone/status/1289584165021605888

Mode explanations
4k HQ - 8k down sampled
4k 24p - 4k line skipping
4k cropped - 5.1k down sampled

And as he mentions on the thread:
It should also be noted that these times are from a 2 hour cooldown period. You will only get these durations once, then they're significantly cut down. Takes about 1 hour for 60% recovery and 2 hours for full recovery.

He will also be releasing a new YouTube video on his channel on Monday or Tuesday.

Conclusion for me is that R5 is a stills camera not a hybrid

Link | Posted on Aug 2, 2020 at 10:21 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Canon EOS R5 review (857 comments in total)
In reply to:

A Owens: This is a very strange "review".

The only quantitative test data provided WRT to overheating was 19 minutes shooting 8k internal video indoors or over 60 minutes shooting 8k external. Is this bad? How does it compare to competing 8k-capable hybrid cameras of a similar price / size / weight / functionality ?

The reviewer concludes that the camera is "pretty disappointing" as Canon "has spent months hyping this thing up as the ultimate 8k production tool". Really? Can someone provide a link to where Canon claims this is the "ultimate 8k production tool"? Fantastic hybrid, yes. But production 8k video machine?

The reviewer then finishes his piece by lauding the unreleased, untested Sony A7sIII.

Is it just me ?

It was not necessary but I've explained myself to you. You clearly do not accept my reasons for it and that is fine but.

But the ball is on your court now and, as I said to another poster here, there is no gain for me and you to discuss this matter further. You have your mind set and so do I.

Unless, you send me some free gear. I am still accepting free cameras in case I am super very wrong.

I will make a retraction upon arrival of said cameras.

Link | Posted on Aug 1, 2020 at 14:49 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Canon EOS R5 review (857 comments in total)
In reply to:

A Owens: This is a very strange "review".

The only quantitative test data provided WRT to overheating was 19 minutes shooting 8k internal video indoors or over 60 minutes shooting 8k external. Is this bad? How does it compare to competing 8k-capable hybrid cameras of a similar price / size / weight / functionality ?

The reviewer concludes that the camera is "pretty disappointing" as Canon "has spent months hyping this thing up as the ultimate 8k production tool". Really? Can someone provide a link to where Canon claims this is the "ultimate 8k production tool"? Fantastic hybrid, yes. But production 8k video machine?

The reviewer then finishes his piece by lauding the unreleased, untested Sony A7sIII.

Is it just me ?

My 5DSR is showing its age. Simple.

For a brief moment I shot an RP, too many shortcomings to replace it. Got rid of it.

IQ of the R5 is similar to the 5DSR. So the wait continues on my side.

But you seem to be specially distraught about my preferences.

Let's agree on something DM me and I will give you my address so you can send me a R5 and R6 and I will gladly use it for many years to come. I am waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is.

But for me to spend my cash? Not this time.

Link | Posted on Aug 1, 2020 at 14:22 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Canon EOS R5 review (857 comments in total)
In reply to:

A Owens: This is a very strange "review".

The only quantitative test data provided WRT to overheating was 19 minutes shooting 8k internal video indoors or over 60 minutes shooting 8k external. Is this bad? How does it compare to competing 8k-capable hybrid cameras of a similar price / size / weight / functionality ?

The reviewer concludes that the camera is "pretty disappointing" as Canon "has spent months hyping this thing up as the ultimate 8k production tool". Really? Can someone provide a link to where Canon claims this is the "ultimate 8k production tool"? Fantastic hybrid, yes. But production 8k video machine?

The reviewer then finishes his piece by lauding the unreleased, untested Sony A7sIII.

Is it just me ?

Owens, I would venture to say that the links provided have enough information to show that Canon does market this as a 8k video camera.

We won't gain anything engaging in a war of words here. You know and I know we will not find an exact match of words from Canon that will satisfy you.

About the table, from what I understood Gerald will be releasing it soon, either on Twitter or on his YouTube channel.

Link | Posted on Aug 1, 2020 at 09:51 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Canon EOS R5 review (857 comments in total)
In reply to:

A Owens: This is a very strange "review".

The only quantitative test data provided WRT to overheating was 19 minutes shooting 8k internal video indoors or over 60 minutes shooting 8k external. Is this bad? How does it compare to competing 8k-capable hybrid cameras of a similar price / size / weight / functionality ?

The reviewer concludes that the camera is "pretty disappointing" as Canon "has spent months hyping this thing up as the ultimate 8k production tool". Really? Can someone provide a link to where Canon claims this is the "ultimate 8k production tool"? Fantastic hybrid, yes. But production 8k video machine?

The reviewer then finishes his piece by lauding the unreleased, untested Sony A7sIII.

Is it just me ?

If you want hard numbers: overheats in all modes but 4k crop and 24p
https://twitter.com/GeraldUndone/status/1289325613799489537

And here is Canon claiming its a 8k machine.

Introducing 8K video: how the
Canon EOS R5’s
flagship filmmaking feature changes the game
https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/stories/eos-r5-8k-advantage/

EOS R5 HIGHLIGHTS
8K RAW / 4K 120P
https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/product-showcases/cameras-and-lenses/eos-r5

The new EOS R5 will revolutionise the industry with full frame 45MP resolution, 8K video

Minute 1 to be more precise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxXNi1eb8JQ

Link | Posted on Aug 1, 2020 at 09:03 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Canon EOS R5 review (857 comments in total)
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Canon5DSmith: Been a Canon user for years, my 1st was an old AE-1 my dad didn't use back in the 80s.

This is hard for me to say: Canon has released an unfinished, faulty product and it has to respond.*1

This is a gigantic failure because the heat builds the moment it's on.

Imagine: you are recording, then shoot the you-may-kiss-the-bride moment, then let's film it in 4k. Camera is overheating.*2 Moment is gone.

Professional tools are supposed to be dependable and predictable.*3

I shouldn't adjust to the camera, it should adjust to me.

Colors/AF/IBIS all nice features but pointless if I can't use the camera even after being in the fridge. *4

Some suggested having multiple bodies. Nonsense. Do I need to spend 10k on 2 cameras just to shoot 4k? Let alone 8k. Better get a Ursa Mini for same price and shoot 12k instead.

This is by far the most irritated I have been with Canon. Ever.

Canon wanted to set the internet on fire with the R5. Not sure this is what they had in mind.

1*
https://www.eoshd.com/opinion/opinion-canon-r6-and-r5-heat-problems-risk-full-product-recall-class-action-lawsuit/

*2
https://twitter.com/GeraldUndone/status/1287197307398692864

*3
https://youtu.be/nt7ZbvqWfdY?t=542

*4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLM2hyejErc

Link | Posted on Aug 1, 2020 at 07:44 UTC
On article DPReview TV: Canon EOS R5 review (857 comments in total)

Been a Canon user for years, my 1st was an old AE-1 my dad didn't use back in the 80s.

This is hard for me to say: Canon has released an unfinished, faulty product and it has to respond.*1

This is a gigantic failure because the heat builds the moment it's on.

Imagine: you are recording, then shoot the you-may-kiss-the-bride moment, then let's film it in 4k. Camera is overheating.*2 Moment is gone.

Professional tools are supposed to be dependable and predictable.*3

I shouldn't adjust to the camera, it should adjust to me.

Colors/AF/IBIS all nice features but pointless if I can't use the camera even after being in the fridge. *4

Some suggested having multiple bodies. Nonsense. Do I need to spend 10k on 2 cameras just to shoot 4k? Let alone 8k. Better get a Ursa Mini for same price and shoot 12k instead.

This is by far the most irritated I have been with Canon. Ever.

Canon wanted to set the internet on fire with the R5. Not sure this is what they had in mind.

Link | Posted on Aug 1, 2020 at 07:43 UTC as 172nd comment | 5 replies

What's with the gloating from others?

"We are all sinking, but those guys are sinking faster"

How in the world this makes any sense?

Link | Posted on Jul 31, 2020 at 08:31 UTC as 33rd comment | 1 reply
On article Sony a7S III initial review (1573 comments in total)
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Canon5DSmith: I hate to say this but Sony has done an amazing job in the marketing and releasing this camera the way it has.

Counter that with the embarrassed way Canon has been doling out information on the R5. It is telling that Canon had something to hide there.

It can't be clearer that this is the case when some went from "this is a 8k revolutionary film maker tool " to "no one needs more than 1080p" or "get a cinema camera instead" in matter of a couple of days.

Sony seems to have gone to the sensible in what can be done and Canon shot itself on the foot by trying to get gimmick features in body that could not accommodate its "revolutionary features".

And I am only talking about the marketing here, did not even get into the features of each camera.

Passereau Canon is marketing it as a video AND photo cameras is precisely why they are in hot water (pun intended).

The R6 is "unsuitable for video" as per Cinema5D: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt7ZbvqWfdY

If merely taking photographs will cause the camera to overheat and make it impossible to film with it then its not a hybrid camera is it?

No one was demanding Canon to deliver 8K or 4k 120fps. Why Canon felt the need to use advertise it as such, knowing full well that it could not deliver, is beyond me.

All of the good will that went towards Canon during the hype days came crashing down because they could not deliver their message properly. I would be fine if Canon said: it also does 8k-4k in a limited way. They went to "its a 8k film maker tool".

Link | Posted on Jul 29, 2020 at 13:13 UTC
On article Sony a7S III initial review (1573 comments in total)
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Canon5DSmith: I hate to say this but Sony has done an amazing job in the marketing and releasing this camera the way it has.

Counter that with the embarrassed way Canon has been doling out information on the R5. It is telling that Canon had something to hide there.

It can't be clearer that this is the case when some went from "this is a 8k revolutionary film maker tool " to "no one needs more than 1080p" or "get a cinema camera instead" in matter of a couple of days.

Sony seems to have gone to the sensible in what can be done and Canon shot itself on the foot by trying to get gimmick features in body that could not accommodate its "revolutionary features".

And I am only talking about the marketing here, did not even get into the features of each camera.

No on forced Canon to release a camera with 45mp sensor right? Look at the 5DS r no less.

Also, Ursa Mini has what? 80mp?

And if the silly argument of "no one needs 8k" and the goes to "1080p is enough" then 12mp will surely be more than enough no?

Link | Posted on Jul 28, 2020 at 14:30 UTC
On article Sony a7S III initial review (1573 comments in total)

I hate to say this but Sony has done an amazing job in the marketing and releasing this camera the way it has.

Counter that with the embarrassed way Canon has been doling out information on the R5. It is telling that Canon had something to hide there.

It can't be clearer that this is the case when some went from "this is a 8k revolutionary film maker tool " to "no one needs more than 1080p" or "get a cinema camera instead" in matter of a couple of days.

Sony seems to have gone to the sensible in what can be done and Canon shot itself on the foot by trying to get gimmick features in body that could not accommodate its "revolutionary features".

And I am only talking about the marketing here, did not even get into the features of each camera.

Link | Posted on Jul 28, 2020 at 14:18 UTC as 284th comment | 10 replies
On article Canon EOS R5 added to studio test scene (563 comments in total)

5DS R still Canon's king if you want to photograph. The A7RIV is better but not by much.

It shows how well this camera holds against the new breed of mirrorless.

Link | Posted on Jul 26, 2020 at 16:05 UTC as 85th comment | 4 replies
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Canon5DSmith: Cameras and the delivery medium for those photos passed the point of good enough a long time ago.

Folk are used to having a camera all the time on their pocket and don't feel like spending any more time or money to learn something as complicated as photography. The results they get from their iPhones is more than enough for them.

On Christmas last year no one was interested in seeing the photos on the back of my camera, everyone was just passing their iPhones around and asking to share the photos then and there.

Meanwhile l'timer here was sending Christmas photos well beyond into the 2020.

Whats with the tone Jones? Take a deep breath man.

You misunderstood my point. It was not about me, you or the few that come to this website in search for gear.

The anecdote is about those outside our sphere. Long before those folks did not have any option whatsoever to equipment besides a cameras and albums. So they bought the cheapest, easiest tool they could find and some of them were caught by the shutter bug and bought other models.

Now the entry level has been lowered. You must have seen this scene played in front of your eyes as well, or tourists with giant iPads blocking the view of Fontana di Trevi.

The phone industry had a big impact on the camera industry for sure. It was not the only one but it is by far the biggest.

The lack of integration of cameras with other devices, sharing, sensible defaults, lack of support (iPhones are supported for years), high price and difficulty in their first steps is another.

That is why I think the ZV1 is such a promising device.

Link | Posted on Jul 25, 2020 at 07:01 UTC
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EthanP99: Sony Alpha Rumors has a leaked pic of the a7s iii today, if anyone is interested in seeing a camera that wont overheat during video :D

Please refer to 0:43 this is what I mean about the rolling shutter being worse on R5/R6:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HGJlHyIo6o&feature=emb_title

Again, I don't know many folks that will need the sort of speed but it does look like this time Canon designed a camera around a to-do list than what it could actually deliver.

It feels like a knee jerk reaction to the many criticisms levelled against Canon, justified or not, about the lack of innovation over the years. They have over corrected.

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2020 at 20:30 UTC

Cameras and the delivery medium for those photos passed the point of good enough a long time ago.

Folk are used to having a camera all the time on their pocket and don't feel like spending any more time or money to learn something as complicated as photography. The results they get from their iPhones is more than enough for them.

On Christmas last year no one was interested in seeing the photos on the back of my camera, everyone was just passing their iPhones around and asking to share the photos then and there.

Meanwhile l'timer here was sending Christmas photos well beyond into the 2020.

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2020 at 20:21 UTC as 121st comment | 7 replies
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EthanP99: Sony Alpha Rumors has a leaked pic of the a7s iii today, if anyone is interested in seeing a camera that wont overheat during video :D

Sorry but we are not debating for the sake of debating. The overheating on the R5 and R6 are well beyond documented if you care to check.

Here is cinema5D saying that the camera is just not usable for real world shooting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt7ZbvqWfdY&feature=emb_title

This is not my opinion or yours. These are demonstrable facts and presented to you by reviewers. Negating this is will only make Canon deliver more and more cameras with overheating so, think carefully if this is what you want.

I would say the saving grace on the R5/R6 is the auto focus system. It seems to be brilliant and much on par to what Sony is delivering on the A9II specially when bird photography is concerned.

The slower read out of the sensor does introduce an inadequate amount of rolling shutter so 20fps is very much out of the question for real work. Luckily there is not many people that need more than 12fps.

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2020 at 20:11 UTC
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EthanP99: Sony Alpha Rumors has a leaked pic of the a7s iii today, if anyone is interested in seeing a camera that wont overheat during video :D

While recording might not be "unlimited" the key takeaway is that it won't be as limited as the R5. The camera is already overheating on low-res 4k. Which camera has done that in the past few years?

And overheating is not the only problem. The time it takes for it to cool down with Tony Northrup saying recording time diminishes to the point where you will be doing less than 10 minutes on 3rd clip. This is a massive flaw and can not be understated.

12Mp is the other side of the coin, there is no free lunch here. It is what allows the Sony not to melt like the R5 but it won't be as capable a photographic camera as the R5 either. Then again the R5 has massive rolling shutter and AA filter and lower resolution than the A7R4.

Canon went for all in one package, but that all in one is far too compromised to be able to do "one" of the jobs properly. Video.

Sony went for one tool for the job. But that tool does that job well.

I still think that the best Canon is the 1DXM3.

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2020 at 19:04 UTC
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Canon5DSmith: I have you all gathered here to announce that the future......

Is going to be like the past.

Wait, why is everyone leaving?

LOL! U mad bro? Did I touch a sensitive spot?

Take it easy, walk on the shade and remember: the future is mirrorless

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2020 at 12:10 UTC

I have you all gathered here to announce that the future......

Is going to be like the past.

Wait, why is everyone leaving?

Link | Posted on Jul 24, 2020 at 11:33 UTC as 28th comment | 10 replies
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