Sylvain G

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Mikor: I don’t quite understand the fuss here and the immediate blaming of corporate “greed”. The cost of new developments, bug fixes and regular maintenance need to be funded somehow with some certainty of a financial return (or just break even). It is for this reason that subscriptions are used. Do people really thing that a one-off payment of a few hundred dollars / euros will sustain the funding of ongoing development of major new features and enhancements in perpetuity?
If people aren’t willing or able to subscribe to get product updates and new features then just stick with the existing perpetual licence product. Or use an open source alternative.

Ignoring the : "no pay, no working software"
so even if you don't want new features & support, your piece of software is dead. It's a completely different point than "funding future developments"

Link | Posted on Dec 8, 2022 at 12:06 UTC
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Djehuty: I mean you always had to pay for the new features in the perpetual license everytime they upgrade. C1 never gave the features for free for existing perpetual license users.

No you're incorrect, the actual press release is pretty direct on that :
"From 2023 we will no longer be tied to an annual cycle for major releases. *****As a result, there will not be a Capture One 24*****. Instead, we will continuously release new tools and features on a rolling basis throughout the year."

"Alongside this, we will also be making changes to our perpetual licenses from February 1, 2023. Here’s what’s changing:

New perpetual licenses will include updates with bug fixes until the next version, but new features released after purchase will not be included. 

Upgrade pricing will no longer be available and will be replaced with a new loyalty scheme. More details will be announced on February 1, 2023."

"By purchasing before this date you will receive all updates including new features until September 30, 2023."

There's enough here to conclude the end of perpetual licences.

Link | Posted on Dec 8, 2022 at 12:04 UTC
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abe4652: So, let me see if I understand this.

Previous owners with perpetual licenses will no longer be entitled to receive all features, even though that was the understanding when the perpetual license was purchased?

Just want to make sure I have it right, before I go to my rolodex.

@Gannon
I think it would actually be good material for an article at DPReview.
There's a lot of misconceptions clearly in both sides.
Some people won't see the problem because they haven't quite grasped what it will mean a couple years down the road when they get fully locked in. Others have perhaps exagerated expectations of what a perpetual license means...
IMHO, the fact that so many don't grasp it is precisely what allows these companies to move to a lucrative subscription model and that many dismiss the old "perpetual" funding as irrelevant. It is not in essence an insufficient model. More knowledge on the issue could also bring some companies to nuance their offering. "fixed features, upgradable camera modules" vs "features" (all the more complicated for the software companies but they do increase their net revenue -Adobe?, so increasing their offering isn't an outrageous from customers).
I see no reason to be accommodating with paid services.

Greetings,

Link | Posted on Dec 7, 2022 at 16:23 UTC
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Sylvain G: This is what happens when a tedious brainstorm gives birth to an embarrassingly opaque press release.
Funny how they bragged and "promised" they wouldn't ever abandon perpetual licence in the wake of Adobe move to "subscription only". Can't be bothered to look for evidence but hey, never say never, we learnt that much over the last few years.
I'll stop funding them right here and now.

DarnGoodPhotos : subscription doesn't work like that. You don't pay, your software doesn't work. Does that clarify the possible issues? As soon as you're a subscriber, it's over, you don't get this choice anymore.

Link | Posted on Dec 7, 2022 at 16:15 UTC
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Vallkar: As software gets better, innovation becomes more and more challenging for the developers. This is where perpetual licence is less profitable for the company and subscription is the holy grail. Unfortunately bad news for the user.

Yes Billy, exactly. Ensuring continuity vs building new features.
Perhaps C1 will chose that but I don't think so.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2022 at 22:48 UTC
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Djehuty: I mean you always had to pay for the new features in the perpetual license everytime they upgrade. C1 never gave the features for free for existing perpetual license users.

missing the point. If they do indeed move to a full sub model. Yes you may keep CO23, but in "perpetual", you could always say stop to the update train and keep using it. Example, you're only interested in a tiny upgrade for a camera module ? tada--- welcome to the everlasting pay model. We'll see what they have in store but stopping the sale of perpetual licences pretty much steers us in that model, doesn't it ?

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2022 at 22:17 UTC
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DarnGoodPhotos: In looking at the comments, people never wanted a perpetual license where they can use the features they purchased as long as they want. What people actually want is a perpetual license that includes regular new features for free; features that aren't free for C1 to create and support.

Hey, judging by your other comment, I think you're jumping on the topic with not enough research on it. You'll find that many of the commenters here did go through the pros and cos during the "adobe exodus". So perhaps a good start would be to understand completely what went wrong there. I'd venture to summarize : when moved to a subscription - you cannot "settle" on a "good enough for me" and you're forced to pay as long as you want to use it. yes you can keep your old agin' CO23. I can't possibly elaborate fully in a little letter box comment thread but it's well worth deepening your understanding.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2022 at 22:14 UTC
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Sylvain G: This is what happens when a tedious brainstorm gives birth to an embarrassingly opaque press release.
Funny how they bragged and "promised" they wouldn't ever abandon perpetual licence in the wake of Adobe move to "subscription only". Can't be bothered to look for evidence but hey, never say never, we learnt that much over the last few years.
I'll stop funding them right here and now.

Darnmachin what it means is likely to be effectively like Adobe. Yes, if you're owner of an old perpetual licence it will still work. But what is at stake is the notion that would you want to keep having new features for a while, you'd basically have to subscribe. Now imagine, you subscribed. Later you feel like "settling", you don't feel you need new features --> bang - you can't. This is kind of a forced sale. This is what I think is awaiting for us (how could it be otherwise if they stop selling perpetual licences?). At first, it feels fine, two years later, you're just lagging behind and opting in later gets you stuck again. So if you have principles, you're f¨cked.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2022 at 22:04 UTC
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Sylvain G: This is what happens when a tedious brainstorm gives birth to an embarrassingly opaque press release.
Funny how they bragged and "promised" they wouldn't ever abandon perpetual licence in the wake of Adobe move to "subscription only". Can't be bothered to look for evidence but hey, never say never, we learnt that much over the last few years.
I'll stop funding them right here and now.

wait until september 2023 and we'll see about that :-)

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2022 at 21:56 UTC
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Vallkar: As software gets better, innovation becomes more and more challenging for the developers. This is where perpetual licence is less profitable for the company and subscription is the holy grail. Unfortunately bad news for the user.

I don't immediately think there's an actual correlation. Yes, subscription quite possibily gives them a steadier and HIGHER revenue stream but that doesn't say the previous "lower" wasn't sustainable. One could argue that some things actually costs less to develop than before (not talking inflation here). The price we pay is the price C1 determined we can pay, not what it costs. C1 will just be tapping into that "unilaterally" because they can and because we allow them. I think I'll have to go look elsewhere, or -if every software company decided to suck balls- go back to Adobe. The irony..

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2022 at 21:48 UTC

This is what happens when a tedious brainstorm gives birth to an embarrassingly opaque press release.
Funny how they bragged and "promised" they wouldn't ever abandon perpetual licence in the wake of Adobe move to "subscription only". Can't be bothered to look for evidence but hey, never say never, we learnt that much over the last few years.
I'll stop funding them right here and now.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2022 at 21:39 UTC as 161st comment | 6 replies
On article Nikon Z9 review: a DSLR-like stills/video monster (3186 comments in total)

Truly impressive and even more so with the 2.0 firmware. Hoping to see some of its features trickle down to the Z5,6,7 line !

Link | Posted on Apr 14, 2022 at 15:09 UTC as 169th comment
On article OM System OM-1 studio tests published (415 comments in total)
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Funny Valentine: the GH6 seems to be the better photo camera:
- iso 100
- 25 mp
- 100 mp
- no stacked sensor
- DFD is more accurate

If I'm not mistaken, DFD is just an algorithm intended to speed up optimal focus by trying to recognize oof blur patterns and the final fine tuning is probably good old contrast detection. Technically, most, if not all, mirrorless camera can do contrast based AF, including the ones doing phase detection. I'd rather promote the uniform sensor surface vs. dedicated af pixels than focus accuracy but even the latter seems to be a solved issue... ?

Link | Posted on Mar 7, 2022 at 21:28 UTC
On article OM System OM-1 studio tests published (415 comments in total)
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Impulses: I never gave any credence to the 2 EV improvement comments tbh, I figured they were taken out of context by marketing or referred to very specific situations (JPEGs at a certain ISO under a certain mode mode etc.) or more likely just about HR & HHHR mode.

I'm surprised people ran with those claims tho since it would be far larger jump than what any sensor in any format has achieved in recent memory, basically skipping over APS-C and landing near FF in IQ, that just wasn't realistic.

" But, just as we were impressed by how little DR the Sony a1 had to give up, in return for its impressive readout speed, here we're seeing a sensor with quad-pixel X-type AF and twice the previous readout speed without any significant image quality cost. " -Richard

Yeah, that's useful and valuable in it's own right, tho only applicable to those that need the improved speed/AF.

Jonby, good point but I'm afraid OMDS is still rather clueless about the potential ideas they could unlock with both their increased readout speed & processing power.
stacking frames, motion detection & compensation, ...

Link | Posted on Mar 7, 2022 at 21:16 UTC
On article OM System OM-1 studio tests published (415 comments in total)

I think Richard's nuanced closing line is really rather interesting. OM-1 is a portable and rather affordable super fast camera. People struggle recognizing this and would expect the flagship to be a do-it-all wonder. I must confess I was more in the market for a slightly more substantial "quality image" increase in a more modest performing camera but I can see why they're going this route too. Perhaps the HR mode being more and more useful in more situations has a role to play here but only if Oly, like Panasonic, starts doing a bit of motion detection & deletion. Can imagine this being a user option that you can review after the capture, if you're doubtful of erroneous corrections.
All in all, if Olympus doesn't find clever ways to circle around this with smart computational tricks, it does close the door to a short term future with another sensor for Olympus :/ and although hopeful for the OM-1, I think I'll move on.

Link | Posted on Mar 7, 2022 at 18:56 UTC as 60th comment

Very excited Sigma is still on that!

I can only hope Sigma can match it to a well balanced camera with not too many design fantasies. Don't try to be too many things Sigma :)
stick to a nice well rounded little camera. Not too video, nor action centric, don't go and compete there. Do a camera that one can bring along and can capture "day to day", ... a proper battery, simple ergonomics and a decent finder... you can take my money.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2022 at 17:07 UTC as 30th comment
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Sylvain G: Thanks Chris, I think this kind of experience reports are invaluable and important to understand a brand that seldom competed on spec sheets.

oh and I forgot to add it was very pleasing to read too !

Link | Posted on Feb 19, 2022 at 21:29 UTC

Thanks Chris, I think this kind of experience reports are invaluable and important to understand a brand that seldom competed on spec sheets.

Link | Posted on Feb 19, 2022 at 21:28 UTC as 58th comment | 1 reply
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Ranger 9: I'll bet I'm the only person in this thread who actually owns a Pixii A1571, so listen up, okay? The Pixii DOES NOT “[rely] heavily on having a smartphone connected to it to save and process images.” That's a complete misconception, which Gill did debunk in his review. But a lot of people still believe it, so here goes:

You can use the Pixii fully without ever getting it anywhere near a smartphone. It takes pictures like any conventional digital camera, then processes and stores them internally. From there you can either transfer them to a USB memory stick, or connect the camera directly to a computer via its USB-C port for transfer.

The only reason you might want to pair the Pixii with a smartphone while shooting is so you can check your images right after exposure — it doesn't have a back-panel LCD, using the Pixii app on your phone as an external display instead. But hardcore film-aesthetic photographers loathe “chimping” and wouldn't want to do this anyway, right?

Thanks for the reply, appreciated!
I agree it's probably not an overly useful attribute but I still find it disappointing and it distracts from the initial concept.

I think Pixii still has many challenges to overcome to win opinions but judging by how they market it, looks to me they want to remain niche and expensive and that it balances favorably for them in terms of production bandwidth (a very small operation if I'm not mistaken) and revenue. Always a let down for those genuinely interested but who can't figure out to spend 3000€ to get a crop on their sweet lenses, and now, rolling shutter, albeit rarely. I'm looking for the next minolta CLE in the digital world and this one had that little bit of CLE but no, in the end.

Link | Posted on Dec 18, 2021 at 19:21 UTC
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Ranger 9: I'll bet I'm the only person in this thread who actually owns a Pixii A1571, so listen up, okay? The Pixii DOES NOT “[rely] heavily on having a smartphone connected to it to save and process images.” That's a complete misconception, which Gill did debunk in his review. But a lot of people still believe it, so here goes:

You can use the Pixii fully without ever getting it anywhere near a smartphone. It takes pictures like any conventional digital camera, then processes and stores them internally. From there you can either transfer them to a USB memory stick, or connect the camera directly to a computer via its USB-C port for transfer.

The only reason you might want to pair the Pixii with a smartphone while shooting is so you can check your images right after exposure — it doesn't have a back-panel LCD, using the Pixii app on your phone as an external display instead. But hardcore film-aesthetic photographers loathe “chimping” and wouldn't want to do this anyway, right?

Pardon me if I ask, but I have noticed they don't mention global shutter anymore on the new model and I never quite found a firm answer on this. As the sensor isn't announced either with fast readout, I wonder if this is bringing real life issues along. Any clue on that ?

Link | Posted on Dec 17, 2021 at 17:09 UTC
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