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On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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marike6: Now that it is confirmed that the 5D Mk III will be 22 mp for $3,500, the D800 is looking even more like an obvious choice for many. And contrary to what many seem to think, high ISO images from the D800 will be as good, or better than the D700 with 3 times the resolution and better DR. If it's not the camera for you that's fine, but all the comments asserting that video is useless, or it's not a "real video camera" or more megapixels are just marketing are totally missing an important point. That is, Nikon has listened to what professional photographers like in this article had requested. And this D800, especially it this really fair price, will be difficult for Nikon to keep up with demand for.

@steve ohlhaber

see here:
http://nofilmschool.com/2012/02/canon-5d-mark-iiix-confirmed-at-22mp-and-3500-announcement-february-28th/

Link | Posted on Feb 24, 2012 at 14:20 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Taikonaut: According to Nikon Rumour poll survey most Nikon owners prefer the D800 to have smaller 16mp like the D4 that doesnt compromise ISO and fps rather than 36mp with lower ISO and slower fps.

Based on images around the web, D800 has comparable high ISO performance with less chroma noise than D700. The assumption that it do not is just speculation. For Nikon to max out their pro DSLR line at 16 mp when others like Sony already have the 24 mp A77 that is superb, and will soon release a 36 mp FF DSLR, would be foolish indeed. I am so glad that the amateurs voting in these polls do not run Nikon.

Link | Posted on Feb 24, 2012 at 13:46 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Taikonaut: If the rumoured 5dDMkIII spec is true let get some perspective when comparing to D800 with core feature.
D800 wins in MP 36mp vs 22mp
D800 wins in uncompress HDMI video and possibly audio with headphone input
D800 wins in price $3000 vs $3500

5DMkIII wins in ISO (native 100-25600 vs 100-6400)
5DMkIII wins speed 6.9fps vs 4fps
5DMkIII wins in AF points 61 with 41 cross pts vs 51 with 15 cross pts
5DMkIII wins in video bitrate 48mbs vs 24 mbs and moire handling

Of course I like big MP but to me the 5DMkIII looks more compelling.

* The 5D Mk III will not have 41 cross sensors. It will have a simplified version of the 1DX, which has 21 cross sensors. The D800 will have a better AF module as Nikon's predictive AF tracking is significantly more effective than what Canon offers.
* Video bitrate the D800 you will be able to shoot over 300 mbs with the D800 via HDMI out a feature that you need to get a 20,000 Canon C300 to obtain. This is a huge deal for videographers, and a huge win for Nikon
* D800 is expandable to 25,600 and and images there are more than useable. The D700 has better high ISO performance than the 5D MK II. D800 is at least as good as the D700 so it's not a given that the 5D Mk III will be better

Studio photographers will likely flock to Nikon as when Canon announced a 18 mp 1DX, the 5D Mk III became their last hope for super high resolution imaging. Now that we know the 5D Mk III will have virtually the same 22mp resolution as the 5D Mk II, many will not be compelled to stay with Canon.

Link | Posted on Feb 24, 2012 at 13:37 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Sdaniella: D4 = ExpSim LV (maybe; most likely for stills and video); more MP than past 12Mp but only a bit; allows for fast fps still; but not fastest; video now 1080p, but DR poor, too contrasty, blowouts hard to control, not good for cinematography.
D3s = ExpSim LV (stills; video, but only 720p); resolved less than 5D2, a given; but had better hi-ISO IQ; good AF
D3x = ExpSim LV (stills); hi-MP (but IQ iffy; resolves less than 5D2 at higher ISOs); AF iffy.
D3 = ExpSim LV (stills); lo-MP (but IQ superb at higher ISOs; but resolves less; a given; offers higher fps (for lo-MP; this is a given)); AF good.

D800 = NO ExpSim LV (for neither stills or videos; like D700, but D700 only lacked video); but now has very hi-Mp; IQ will only be good at lower ISOs; lesson learned from D3x, and best left for studio. video only as good as D4 or less; also too contrasty and hard to control DR unremarkable for cinematography. AF be similar to what D3x faced for hi-MP. Much cheaper than non-ExpSim LV 645D or any MF

From DXO Sensor ratings:
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*Nikon D3s Sports (Low-light ISO) 3252 ISO
*Nikon D700 Sports( Low-light ISO) 2303 ISO
*Canon 5D Mk II Sports (Low-light ISO) 1815 ISO
*Nikon D3X Sports (Low-light ISO) 1992 ISO with over 2 EV better DR

Good plan to write above as if they were facts, but the problem is all these cameras have been tested. The Canon 5D 2 has worse high ISO, and DR than ALL the Nikon DSLRs in your post. In the case of the D3s it's not even close.

You're just trolling, shilling for Canon. Little that you wrote is based in reality. DXO Mark has very few Canon DSLRs at the top of the list and it's been that way for least 5 years. Nice try though.

Link | Posted on Feb 24, 2012 at 13:09 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Infared: Once again...I think Canon has a better finger on the market.

Nikon will not "update the D700 with the D4 sensor". That would cannibalize their professional DSLR line, where people would buy the cheaper camera with the D4 sensor instead of the D4.

The D800 has as good, or better high ISO performance than the D700 at 3 times the resolution, and way better dynamic range.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 22:42 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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rusticus: Look at this video of the HX9V for $ 300

http://vimeo.com/25293447

http://vimeo.com/25147475

and compares with the "proffessional" videos of the D800 for $ 3000 or the D4 for $ 6000: BullSh** for too much money - sorry

@Double Dust The Nikon D800 with clean uncompressed HDMI out will be capable of over 300 mbits. That's over 3 times the bit-rate of even a hacked GH2.

I have the GH2. It uses a great codec and has a sharp image even with the 1.1 firmware, high bitrate unhacked. BUT the m43 sensor just cannot compete with the shallow DOF, low light, high ISO, dynamic range, color. All the things that make the 5D Mk II so popular with professional videographers, the D800 will have, but add HDMI out, and headphone jack and audio levels.

And post all the links you like (I love the Musgo trailer, have seen it before) but all you need to do is watch Joy Ride.

http://vimeo.com/36305675

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 22:37 UTC

Nice. It's the snap focus that makes this camera the street king. Awesome job Ricoh.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 22:17 UTC as 7th comment
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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larrytusaz: Page 2 is MUCH better than page 1. Photographers, SUCCESSFUL ones, who don't care about video in an SLR. Finally, about time. In Andy Shephard's case, he uses a phone for video, I use a Kodak Zi8. Either way, I don't use the SLR, even though my D5000 has the video feature.

I realize YouTube in SLRs is here to say "because it can" (meaning it's easy to add the functionality) & "the cat is out of the bag", but it's irritating when the feature gets in the way of the stills-only which I do as a hobby. I'm likely to get the D5100, as an update to my D5000 with the D7000 sensor it makes perfect sense, but I sure wish that red-dot button, like the Fn button, could be customized to something else like, say, ISO or drive-mode.

You know, in a way, the D700 is attractive for that reason--as Thom Hogan said, it's still a great camera, & in my opinion, there's something satisfying about owning an SLR that doesn't do video. Oh well.

So if your not interested in video then don't do it. Nobody is forcing you to. But for the love of god please stop talking about it. Because when you try to intelligently discuss video, like equating it to YouTube clips, and calling videographers who are doing amazingly creative work like feature films and music videos work with DSLRs "irrelevant", you sound moronic.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 19:18 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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marike6: Now that it is confirmed that the 5D Mk III will be 22 mp for $3,500, the D800 is looking even more like an obvious choice for many. And contrary to what many seem to think, high ISO images from the D800 will be as good, or better than the D700 with 3 times the resolution and better DR. If it's not the camera for you that's fine, but all the comments asserting that video is useless, or it's not a "real video camera" or more megapixels are just marketing are totally missing an important point. That is, Nikon has listened to what professional photographers like in this article had requested. And this D800, especially it this really fair price, will be difficult for Nikon to keep up with demand for.

Tom, just download a few of the full-size sample images floating around. I found them impressive, and have bought the D800, but I already knew I wanted a Nikon FF body.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 19:06 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Twong: The images and video clips are mediocre at best ... a real disappointment. Showing them did not help promoting the new camera bodies at all.

The images that you found mediocre were not even taken with the D800 or D4, and were not attempts of promote them. You might want to read the article before commenting to avoid making nonsensical proclamations.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 19:03 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)

Now that it is confirmed that the 5D Mk III will be 22 mp for $3,500, the D800 is looking even more like an obvious choice for many. And contrary to what many seem to think, high ISO images from the D800 will be as good, or better than the D700 with 3 times the resolution and better DR. If it's not the camera for you that's fine, but all the comments asserting that video is useless, or it's not a "real video camera" or more megapixels are just marketing are totally missing an important point. That is, Nikon has listened to what professional photographers like in this article had requested. And this D800, especially it this really fair price, will be difficult for Nikon to keep up with demand for.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 17:32 UTC as 64th comment | 8 replies
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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rusticus: I think this all very good cameras for Foto,
But there are better for film/video: the Panasonic GH2 (possibly with a hack)

Canon and Nikon DSLR go return to more photo - please
Film / Video: Panasonic is most better;)

http://www.eoshd.com/

Andrew at eoshd is a GH2 fanboy. He is only speaks of the apparent resolution of the hacked GH2 over the Canon DSLRs. He says nothing of the dramatically better dynamic range, low light performance, color depth, superior depth-of-field control and professional build quality and lenses that the Canon DSLRs like the 5D Mk II (and now the D4 and D800) provide. I have both a GH2 and a 5D Mk II, and there is no doubt that the GH2 produces a sharp video image, but there is much more to image quality than sharpness.

The filmakers of Act of Valor or Black Swan certainly could have used selected GH2's for their films. They didn't. They used 5D Mk II's and 7Ds.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 17:18 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Infared: Once again...I think Canon has a better finger on the market.

With the now confirmed 22 mp Canon 5D Mk III at $3,500 it sounds like the only finger they have on the market is the middle finder.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 15:46 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Taikonaut: Dan Chung does not sound too optimistic that Nikon D4 and D800 video is on par with the 1DX and he is right to be cautious. He has played with both cameras. Despite uncompressed HDMI video out Nikon video downsampling is prone to severe aliasing and the 24mbs bitrate is considered rather low by today's standard which delivers less detail video and only a slight step up from the 3.5 years old 5DMkII mostly improvement made towards jello effect. The 1DX has about 48mbs bitrate. The 5DMkIII 22mp allows video downsampling to 1080p perfectly without aliasing and if the bitrate is as high as the 1DX it would easily produce superior video than either D4 or D800 with or without uncompressed HDMI out.

I'm not sure your understanding what uncompressed (8-bit, 4:2:2) is.

You said the D800 original video was "compromised", but looking at Joy Ride video (and reading the thousands of comments that support my view) it's clear that the output of the D800 looks at least as sharp or sharper as the 5D MK II but as much aliasing, moire and rolling shutter. Low-light is also similar or better. A video like Joy Ride with fast action, i.e. following a motorbike, may not even be possible on the 5D Mk II due to it's terrible jello effect.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 15:34 UTC
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sarkozy: The joke is that Dan has not noticed that the GH2 with Hack of Vitaliy Kiselev for film / video much better than the five to six times more expensive models from Nikon and Canon. Good day, Dan Chung

"Hacked" being the operative word. GH2 is a great camera, but many, Dan Chung included, prefer better control of DOF that a FF sensor provides vs m43, the more robust professional build, the much superior low-light performance, and significantly better glass available for EF mount.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 15:21 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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larrytusaz: Page 2 is MUCH better than page 1. Photographers, SUCCESSFUL ones, who don't care about video in an SLR. Finally, about time. In Andy Shephard's case, he uses a phone for video, I use a Kodak Zi8. Either way, I don't use the SLR, even though my D5000 has the video feature.

I realize YouTube in SLRs is here to say "because it can" (meaning it's easy to add the functionality) & "the cat is out of the bag", but it's irritating when the feature gets in the way of the stills-only which I do as a hobby. I'm likely to get the D5100, as an update to my D5000 with the D7000 sensor it makes perfect sense, but I sure wish that red-dot button, like the Fn button, could be customized to something else like, say, ISO or drive-mode.

You know, in a way, the D700 is attractive for that reason--as Thom Hogan said, it's still a great camera, & in my opinion, there's something satisfying about owning an SLR that doesn't do video. Oh well.

I dont' understand all the animosity toward video. If you don't need video don't use it. Simple. But don't pretend that an iPhone or Kodak Zi8 are a serious video solutions, because they are not.

There a plenty of professional photographers that understand the expanding role of multimedia imaging. You are clearly not one of them, and want to proudly wave your luddite flag. But don't expect camera makers to cater to such a narrow view of image creation.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 15:10 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Taikonaut: Dan Chung does not sound too optimistic that Nikon D4 and D800 video is on par with the 1DX and he is right to be cautious. He has played with both cameras. Despite uncompressed HDMI video out Nikon video downsampling is prone to severe aliasing and the 24mbs bitrate is considered rather low by today's standard which delivers less detail video and only a slight step up from the 3.5 years old 5DMkII mostly improvement made towards jello effect. The 1DX has about 48mbs bitrate. The 5DMkIII 22mp allows video downsampling to 1080p perfectly without aliasing and if the bitrate is as high as the 1DX it would easily produce superior video than either D4 or D800 with or without uncompressed HDMI out.

The 5D MK III is not even out yet, and it remains to be seen if it will produce superior video to the D4 or D800 uncompressed HDMI out video. The almost non-existant jello effect seen in the D800 sample video is reason alone that many videographers will choose the D800 for certain projects. And you act as if the 5D Mk II is completely without issues like almost unbearable moire and insanely bad jello effect and the rather low resolution relative to the GH2 due to poor line skipping down sampling algorithm.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 12:27 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Sam Carriere: Still can't figure out for the life of me why someone who wants to shoot video doesn't get a video camera.

I guess you didn't notice the entire industry of HDSLR gear that has sprung up because people DO want to shoot video with a DSLR. HDMI field monitors, rails rigs and should mounts, LCDVF, external HDs like Ninja, etc

And contrary to what you may think, pro use DSLR video for all kinds of shoots. The reasons are many. Here are a few:
a) full frame and APS-C DSLR video cameras have a unique look due to shallow DOF. That is why all the fragrance ads on TV are shot with 5D mk II
b) Small sensor video cameras with 1/3" sensors have too much DOF, see a. That's why products like Letus 35 were created, to try to solve the awful everything in focus look achieved with videocameras.
c) a proper video camera like a Sony F3, or RED will cost many thousands of dollars more ($20,000 or triple that if you want an Arri Alexa)

@abortabort The even make PL mount adapters and hot rod mounts for Zeiss, Fuji PL cine lenses on DSLR. You think anyone who do so if there was no interest in HDSLR?

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 11:14 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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josefmaria: the d800 will be a very good camera, but I won't buy it - why? I was waiting for a successor of the d700 with better iso performance, more resolution (18 to max. 25 mpx), better af, better measuremant and hopefully a little bit lighter in weight. last thing is one of the reasons why I don't buy a d4. I want to carry the camera all the time with me, but I am to old to need a camera to show off and get a stiff neck, I already made my way. and I also don't want to handle terrabytes of data with shootings were you shot a lot, but no necessity of 36 mpx. If I need 36 mpx or more (mostly in the studio), I use my medium format camera with the leaf back and no 36 x 24 chip will be that good. so I will keep my canon 5d mark II if I need more than 12mpx. the 5d mark II has a perfect size of resolution, it's light and has good lenses (as far as you don't need wide-angle lenses). that's what I expected, or better, wished, to get from a d700 successor to stay with my preferred camera.

So from your post we learned the the 5D Mk II is light and that Canon doesn't offer any wides. Really?

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 10:50 UTC
On article Nikon D4 & D800: What do the Professionals Think? (390 comments in total)
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Graystar: "perhaps the most significant of which is a very impressive-looking video specification."

WHAT?? Pass what you're smoking, cause I want some!

At this level, if a pro needs pro video he's going to use a real video camera! The AF operation down to f/8 is far more significant, allowing the 500mm and 600mm lenses to auto-focus when used with the 2X teleconverter. THAT'S important to a photographer! Not video!

I like how you just decided what is important for two professional photographers. Anyway, since you know what's a real video camera is, what would that be? And if as you say pro would use a "real video camera", why is every perfume ad on TV shot with a 5D MK II as well as TV shows like House, blah blah blah? Face it, you have zero idea what you are talking about.

Link | Posted on Feb 23, 2012 at 01:23 UTC
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