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The EOS M100 is indeed fun; Sold new with the excellent 22mm f/2.0 for 450 euro. Even smaller than the "more engaging" fujifilm for I guess 1400 euro's.
Bambi24: China's wages are now the same as Eastern Europe, Mexico and Brazil. And far higher than they are in India, Vietnam and Malaysia.
Wages in Shenzhen are now higher than they are in Portugal and Spain.
Chinese wages TRIPPLED from 2006 to 2017.
The Chinese economy relies more and more on automation, domestic consumption, and infrastructure (incoming housing bubble?) that no one uses to keep their economy afloat.
US wages are still far higher, US average wages are the highest in the world.
Japan's problem really isn't the wages, it's simply the demographics, Japan does not have enough young people, and they flat out refuse migration. Combine that with Japan having the highest debt to GDP in the world, and it's a wonder why Japan has any economy left at all, it's all based on trust. Once trust in the Japanese bond market disappears, Japan will go bankrupt. They don't have the demographics to sustain their living standards.
"The US has the highest average wages in the world. OECD 2017."
Notice the word "average".
Meaning the happy 10-20% with very high wages and the rest much much lower.
I realy fear the day the dutch economical system (where I live) will be the same as in the US (Dutch goverment is doing its best to achieve that).
T3: Would it kill Canon to put some kind of modest grip on this thing? I see this as the Canon equivalent of the Sony A5100. But the A5100 has a decent grip to hook your fingers around.
@T3 You are right about that. Sony does better in that regard.
Fuji and Olympus are acting like canon in their low end line with gripless cameras.
My wife owns a low end sony nex 3F with great grip!
My chinese grip is indeed metal, kinda heavy but is does its job.
thx1138: Really in a 45mm zoom, f/5.6 couldn't be offered. Hate the complete lack of a grip of any kind.
In low-light / indoors without extra light the m100 any aps-c / m43 camera will trash any smartphone.
Outdoors I can't judge the 4K quality of my S6, since I don't own a 4K screen.
Film with shallow DOF? Not possible with a smartphone (yet).
thx1138: Really in a 45mm zoom, f/5.6 couldn't be offered. Hate the complete lack of a grip of any kind.
The M100 is aiming for smartphone users.
Does you iphone / galaxy has a grip?
T3: Would it kill Canon to put some kind of modest grip on this thing? I see this as the Canon equivalent of the Sony A5100. But the A5100 has a decent grip to hook your fingers around.
My eos-m has no grip either.
I bought a 15 euro chinese grip fot it. Problem solved if needed.
Abrak: This camera wont do well in the US - due to the lack of EVF. It looks squarely aimed at the Asian market (particularly Japan) where I suspect it will sell really well.
Luckily a lot of people are living in Asia!
HaroldC3: There's nothing remarkable about these samples. They are middle of the road from a technical point of view (sharpness, contrast, CA, etc) which is what Canon seems to be these days.
..and all made with cheap consumer lenses!
thenoilif: Can someone explain the benefits of a curved sensor?
less vignetting
Edmond Leung: We all know Canon 22mm is a distortion free (close to 0% distortion) and extremely sharp lens. All the sample photos are with excellent color rendering and very sharp.
Good job! Canon.
well I bet the rendering of the zeiss 24mm will be superb. The 22mm is just very good for the money.
I know because I have the zeiss 35mm ZE f/2 on my 5D
CaMeRa QuEsT: A lens so nice, I've owned it twice! But it was the 18Mp sensors in the cameras I had the lenses attached to, the M and the M2, that always let it down. Now with the M5/M6, there is finally a proper, modern sensor with great DR to go along with it. Alas, both the lens and the new cameras are twice as expensive now.
During the original eos M dump you could find the 22mm for very cheap on ebay.
Edmond Leung: We all know Canon 22mm is a distortion free (close to 0% distortion) and extremely sharp lens. All the sample photos are with excellent color rendering and very sharp.
Good job! Canon.
People who actually own this lens know it is a gem, a low cost gem, not an expensive one like the sony zeiss 24mm f/1.8.
The lens does not have distortion. The sample shown in this thread could be perspective distortion.
I found my sample as sharp as the 11-22mm I own. and that is loads sharper / more pleasing looking than the 18-55mm kitlens of my wifes sony nex cam.
entoman: Better than I expected for a travel zoom, certainly better than the 18-135mm STM that I once owned. Sharp, but with a bit of chromatic aberration around the edges.
It's disappointing that the max aperture is only F6.3 at 150mm, particularly as there are plenty of reasonably compact (EF-S mount) tele-zooms that manage to go as wide as F4.5 at the 150mm setting, but I guess that is the price paid for an M-mount compact lens.
well well to call my statement retarded ;-)
Yesterday I was @ the zoo (b'day party of my daughter).
It was overcast, not a lot of light. Light as in: f/5.6 1/25 iso 100
So rrccad that makes f/16 1/3 sec iso 100.
So it is not retarted in any case to state that in these conditions (f/6.3 1/160 iso800) this lens max aperture over such long FL (63mm-150mm) is somewhat limiting ;-)
On my eosm I never go beyond iso1600, but prefer to stay < iso1000
entoman: Better than I expected for a travel zoom, certainly better than the 18-135mm STM that I once owned. Sharp, but with a bit of chromatic aberration around the edges.
It's disappointing that the max aperture is only F6.3 at 150mm, particularly as there are plenty of reasonably compact (EF-S mount) tele-zooms that manage to go as wide as F4.5 at the 150mm setting, but I guess that is the price paid for an M-mount compact lens.
The f/6.3 is already there @ 63mm
This lens is an outside with sunny weather only lens.
The Silver Nemesis: This is as expected as it can be: the first rather serious attempt from Canon to create a mirrorless camera. The competitors are obiously ahead, and that's just normal at this stage. However, the next iteration should come on top. Otherwise Canon will have a hard time to convince in this camera segment.
Worldwide marketshare tells a different story for Panny and Fuji
Mistyduck: I was hoping to see something about vignetting. I was about to buy an M3 until I read about the horrendous vignetting with some M-series lenses. I wonder if the M5 is any better, or is vignetting inherent in Canon's M-cameras?
Take a look at photozone.de
Vignetting on the M5 is the same as the M or M3.
Vignetting on the 22mm or 18-55mm is comparable to the competition.
The 11-22mm however though being an excellent lens (and cheap) has loads of vignetting but so does the sony 10-18mm.
The Silver Nemesis: This is as expected as it can be: the first rather serious attempt from Canon to create a mirrorless camera. The competitors are obiously ahead, and that's just normal at this stage. However, the next iteration should come on top. Otherwise Canon will have a hard time to convince in this camera segment.
The 17-55mm f/2.8 has a F-stop of f/3.6 so maybey f/2.8 in DOF term but not in letting in more light (to use lower ISO)
Sonyshine: Do people still use Flickr?
I am surprised after years of Yahoo mis-management that it is still going. I left it years ago.
I'm not surprised smartphones dominate. That is how the vast majority of people take and share their photographs.
Under right light circumstances a modern smartphone can make fine pics being watched only on a 5 to 7" screen
Contra Mundum: The colors are pretty good as you would expect from Canon. But that unfortunately seems to be the only good news.
Canon sensor is still far behind Sony -- dynamic range and noise are noticeably worse. The price is also too high.
Raw converter apparently isn't ready yet, doesn't apply the lens corrections -- vignetting and CA are obvious.
well good luck with your Sony then..
(unknown member): #5 is incredible and taken with a lowly Canon 7D! Who've thought that could be even possible with a Canon 7D. LOL
It's the photographer not the camera :-)