xPhoenix

xPhoenix

Joined on Nov 10, 2017

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On article Choosing a camera Part 3: the trade-offs of sensor size (298 comments in total)
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xPhoenix: F-stop equivalency is one big reason tiny sensors (like those on cell phones) will always be at a disadvantage. They market them with fast lenses, like f/1.8, but the thing is, you're not going to get that f/1.8 look because you have to consider the equivalent f-number. For an iPhone, I think the crop factor is around 7, so the equivalent f-number of the lens is 1.8 x 7 = f/13. Not very impressive.

Thank you, Richard.

Link | Posted on Jun 12, 2019 at 18:58 UTC
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xPhoenix: I'm spoiled by the Nikon 500 PF. I can't imagine going back to a big, heavy lens.....or paying $13K for a tele.

Maybe Tony Northrup or someone on YT will do a comparison. The 500PF is as sharp as Nikon's exotic primes, so that's good enough for me.

Link | Posted on Jun 12, 2019 at 17:36 UTC
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xPhoenix: I'm spoiled by the Nikon 500 PF. I can't imagine going back to a big, heavy lens.....or paying $13K for a tele.

Background blur is just fine on the Nikon. BTW, the rumored 600PF will be F-mount. They have no plans for long lenses on Z for many years, at least according to their roadmap. I'd like to see a comparison between the 500 PF and these Sony lenses. I'm sure someone on Youtube will do it.

The 500PF is comparable in sharpness to Nikon's 500 f/4 for $10K. From what I see of these samples, it's also easily as sharp as these Sonys.

Link | Posted on Jun 12, 2019 at 15:36 UTC
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xPhoenix: Great. Now make a body that isn't sized for children's hands.

Not being macho. I'd say I have normal hands for a guy. These Sony cameras (and other brands, too) are just too small and blocky to hold comfortably. Make a damn D750-sized MILC.

Link | Posted on Jun 12, 2019 at 15:31 UTC

Great. Now make a body that isn't sized for children's hands.

Link | Posted on Jun 11, 2019 at 17:21 UTC as 32nd comment | 5 replies
On article Sony FE 600mm F4 GM OSS sample gallery (102 comments in total)
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xPhoenix: $13K....haha

It seems crazy to me. Even though I have the money, I just can't see paying that much. Like with Nikon, the 200-500 can't get you probably 95% of the IQ of the exotic primes for a fraction of the price. The Sony 200-600 looks pretty good, but even that's priced a bit high, IMO.

Link | Posted on Jun 11, 2019 at 15:41 UTC
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TN Args: The 200-600 is actually lighter than the Nikon, not heavier as stated on pg4, and much lighter than the Sigma Sport while having just as complex optical configuration (much more complex than the Sigma Contemporary or the Tamron) and also being weather resistant.

Well done Sony.

Lighter than what Nikon? The 200-500?

Link | Posted on Jun 11, 2019 at 15:33 UTC
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xPhoenix: I'm spoiled by the Nikon 500 PF. I can't imagine going back to a big, heavy lens.....or paying $13K for a tele.

500PF is a pro lens, and it's easily a sharp as this. PLus, it's much smaller, much lighter and way less money. I can live with 500mm vs 600mm. Having f/4 would be nice, but not worth the premium.

Link | Posted on Jun 11, 2019 at 15:28 UTC

I'm spoiled by the Nikon 500 PF. I can't imagine going back to a big, heavy lens.....or paying $13K for a tele.

Link | Posted on Jun 11, 2019 at 14:16 UTC as 62nd comment | 14 replies
On article Sony FE 600mm F4 GM OSS sample gallery (102 comments in total)

$13K....haha

Link | Posted on Jun 11, 2019 at 14:13 UTC as 31st comment | 6 replies
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Zvonimir Tosic: They all sell in numbers higher than in the film era. Much higher numbers. I remember when in early 1990s Canon (who was big back then too) was topping 1 million cameras a year. Now they sell several times more. Nikon too. They all do.
So, boys and girls, nothing to worry about, really. I don't understand why all this moaning and gloom, when the dedicated photography camera and equipment market is more vivid and versatile than ever before!

Nothing to worry about....LOL, yeah, OK. Revenue dropping by almost 30% is no concern.

Link | Posted on Jun 11, 2019 at 10:08 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: First the Japanese economy isn't great for most workers.

Second, if you have a 2010-2016 ILC and decent lenses there's no great reason to get the latest unless you want bleeding edge something.

Panasonic, Canon, and Nikon are new to the mirrorless market. The Canon bodies leave much to be desired. Nikon doesn't have many native lenses. Panasonic has staggering higher ISO low light performance in the S1, but lacks lenses unless you want to pay for Leica SL lenses.

In the m4/3 category, there are all sorts of excellent options, but that was true in 2017 too. A similar point applies to DSLRs. So those who were going to by the latest m4/3 gear bought in 2017.

@Entoman
The problem is, the majority of the market is not made up of wedding photogs, wildlife shooters and enthusiasts. Most public places I go, I see at least 90% of people using cell phones. Someone at work just came back from a family vacay. Guess what she shot all her photos on? Her iPhone 6. Almost everyone I know pulls out their cell phone to show photos to people, and they're not like me where I pull up shots on Flickr on my phone (that were shot with my DSLR). They actually shot them on their phone.

The camera makers think everyone wants a MILC and that will save the market, yet seem clueless as to why the market keeps declining. It's simple: most people don't want large, ridiculously expensive gear. They want to use their cell phone....and so they do.

Link | Posted on Jun 11, 2019 at 10:04 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: First the Japanese economy isn't great for most workers.

Second, if you have a 2010-2016 ILC and decent lenses there's no great reason to get the latest unless you want bleeding edge something.

Panasonic, Canon, and Nikon are new to the mirrorless market. The Canon bodies leave much to be desired. Nikon doesn't have many native lenses. Panasonic has staggering higher ISO low light performance in the S1, but lacks lenses unless you want to pay for Leica SL lenses.

In the m4/3 category, there are all sorts of excellent options, but that was true in 2017 too. A similar point applies to DSLRs. So those who were going to by the latest m4/3 gear bought in 2017.

Smartphones are killing ALL dedicated cameras, not just P&S. People don't want to carry around a big, heavy camera, nor spend thousands on a body and lenses, when the phone in their pocket will do the "same thing." Of course, the IQ is NOT the same, but most of them don't know any better, or don't really care, because they are just sharing their images on tiny screens anyway.

Link | Posted on Jun 10, 2019 at 20:23 UTC
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DtBB: From all we hear and know the results are not very surprising to be fair.

We all know of the might of Canon marketing and brand recognition. It shows on the way they lost very few here. Even with the poorly received EOS R/RP.

We all know that Sony seems to be the best of the all of them in revenue and lower number seems to be mostly on the lower end of the spectrum, something Sony is leaving behind.

We all know Olympus can't hit a home run for quite some time and that the excuse many mFT fans throw around that "image division is r&d for the medical" is BS. We know, they know. No company can continue bleeding money like this for long.

We all know Fuji is going all in the Instax game and they have been quite strong in that front. It is basically bankrolling the entire company.

What is SHOCKING for me is how fast Nikon is dropped EVEN with well received Z cams. All the discounts seen make much more sense now.

Sonys and Canons strategy are very clear, Nikon and Oly? Time will tell.

I don't think the Z cameras were really that well received. I know a lot of gearheads on the forums seemed to like them, but that's a VERY small percentage of the market.

If I had to describe the current state of the camera market in one word, it'd be: hemorrhaging.

Link | Posted on Jun 10, 2019 at 20:18 UTC
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tkbslc: Most people wouldn't use a real camera for free in 2019, so it's not surprising.

It's sad, but I believe it.

Link | Posted on Jun 10, 2019 at 19:17 UTC
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moimoi: Olympus and the m43 format are in deep trouble.

I wouldn't spend any money nowadays on a dying format like M43.

Link | Posted on Jun 10, 2019 at 19:17 UTC
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armandino: Considering that Canon, Nikon, and Pana have just released new FF mirrorless to compete directly to the sole on the market Sony and since March 2018 Sony only had out the A7III, that is pretty good outcome for Sony.

I wanted a pocket camera with good IQ and a reasonable amount of zoom. Guess what I just bought? A Sony RX100. Why? No one else has anything comparable that goes to 200mm. The Panasonic ZS200 sounds great in theory, but from what I've read, the lens is subpar (just like on my ZS50).

Link | Posted on Jun 10, 2019 at 19:16 UTC
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MirrorLessHater: ''Sony increased +14.5% in camera value without releasing a FF camera IN THE LAST 13 MONTHS.''
That's like when canon sells 6 or 7 M50's, Sony only needs to sell one A7iii to make the same profit as canon, and A7iii is selling like hot petit pain.

Sony will be one of the last men standing. Many of these companies are going to go bottom up. Smartphones are decimating the dedicated camera market.

Link | Posted on Jun 10, 2019 at 19:14 UTC
On article Choosing a camera Part 3: the trade-offs of sensor size (298 comments in total)
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xPhoenix: F-stop equivalency is one big reason tiny sensors (like those on cell phones) will always be at a disadvantage. They market them with fast lenses, like f/1.8, but the thing is, you're not going to get that f/1.8 look because you have to consider the equivalent f-number. For an iPhone, I think the crop factor is around 7, so the equivalent f-number of the lens is 1.8 x 7 = f/13. Not very impressive.

Uh, yeah there is. If you shoot f/1.8 on a FF camera, and shoot f/1.8 on a camera with a smaller sensor, the background blur will NOT be the same. The two images will not look the same. It's called f-stop equivalency.

Link | Posted on Jun 10, 2019 at 02:06 UTC
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xPhoenix: What we know so far is.....it's not going to sell.

Amazon is the largest retailer, so it's fair to base things off their sales. I hardly think Tony is trolling. If Nikon's Z cameras aren't selling at much lower prices, these Pannys sure as heck won't. It's not really surprising.

Link | Posted on Jun 6, 2019 at 21:22 UTC
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