pro photo 2011

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pro photo 2011: In terms of quality of materials and manufacturing (even if it's hand-made), the Leica is definitely higher, but I won't pay 14 times the price of the 7Artisans 35/1.4 for that.

@It is just a tool

Most people can't tell the pictures apart, so why pay for a 14 times more expensive lens?

Link | Posted on Aug 22, 2020 at 09:18 UTC
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GT2RS: Give me a $40 dollar Russian lens, it will do the same trick. It's 1/10 of the artisan lens. Get the idea? Optics shows the image but devil is in the details.

@GT2RS

Wrong.

That is why this comparison exists.

I am still waiting for your $40 Russian lens. I know you are just bluffing.

Link | Posted on Aug 22, 2020 at 08:52 UTC
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kcdogger: Forget Leica - all of them. Save your money. The difference is negligible. Of course we stupid people always think the most expensive is "the Best." Need more comparisons like this - but maybe then we wouldn't have anything to argue about.

@LensBeginner

You are welcome to do such a test.

Leica fans and you will be disappointed that the pictures produced still look the same.

Just buy the 7Artisans and save five grand.

Certainly, 7Artisans won't stop with just one lens. It will challenge Leica's other more popular M lenses.

Link | Posted on Aug 22, 2020 at 08:46 UTC
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kcdogger: Forget Leica - all of them. Save your money. The difference is negligible. Of course we stupid people always think the most expensive is "the Best." Need more comparisons like this - but maybe then we wouldn't have anything to argue about.

@AcuteShadows

No need to waste time doing this. Since the pictures can't be distinguished, all four sets are extremely sharp and correctly exposed, what else is going to help you to make the Leica lens stand out? You can quit now.

Link | Posted on Aug 22, 2020 at 05:25 UTC
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photofan1986: Maybe Leica should hire more artisans, like 8 or more.

Leica is banking on people who believe a lens that costs an exorbitant amount of money is the best.

That myth is now broken by the likes of 7Artisans and Laowa.

Link | Posted on Aug 22, 2020 at 03:36 UTC
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GT2RS: Give me a $40 dollar Russian lens, it will do the same trick. It's 1/10 of the artisan lens. Get the idea? Optics shows the image but devil is in the details.

Show me that $40 Russian lens that can perform on par with the Artisan 35/1.4.

It does NOT exist.

Link | Posted on Aug 22, 2020 at 03:33 UTC
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kcdogger: Forget Leica - all of them. Save your money. The difference is negligible. Of course we stupid people always think the most expensive is "the Best." Need more comparisons like this - but maybe then we wouldn't have anything to argue about.

@AcuteShadows

Wrong camera?

Trying to find excuses.

Even testing the lenses on a Leica M camera won't make a discernable difference.

Save $5465 and buy the 7Artisans.

Link | Posted on Aug 22, 2020 at 03:30 UTC

In terms of quality of materials and manufacturing (even if it's hand-made), the Leica is definitely higher, but I won't pay 14 times the price of the 7Artisans 35/1.4 for that.

Link | Posted on Aug 22, 2020 at 03:26 UTC as 50th comment | 9 replies
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coasttocoastphoto: The four-picture test results are a gimmick. You shot a Leica lens on a Fuji camera which is not optimized. And in three out of four shots, you chose to go for the trendy, dreary, inexperienced wedding photographer look. You know the shot where the bride and groom are walking down a path and behind them is a white sky sunset. Everything is overexposed. As a guy who has been shooting Leica, Minolta, Nikon and Canon for decades, I can tell you that outperforming a Leica is not quite so easy as this demonstration purports. I do, however, give credit for the effort that 7Artisans has produced at a bargain basement price. And many will argue that Leica is more expensive that it needs to be, but do you really believe that a $400 Chinese lens is comparable to a hand made German lens? If you guys were in the car business, you'd be doing a comparison between a Civic and and S Class Benz. The scariest guy in the room is the guy who doesn't know what he doesn't know. @coasttocoastphotoatl

@AcuteShadows

Don't give us all that technical jibberish.

It doesn't make a discernable difference.

Can't tell the difference, don't pay for the difference.

Link | Posted on Aug 22, 2020 at 03:22 UTC
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coasttocoastphoto: The four-picture test results are a gimmick. You shot a Leica lens on a Fuji camera which is not optimized. And in three out of four shots, you chose to go for the trendy, dreary, inexperienced wedding photographer look. You know the shot where the bride and groom are walking down a path and behind them is a white sky sunset. Everything is overexposed. As a guy who has been shooting Leica, Minolta, Nikon and Canon for decades, I can tell you that outperforming a Leica is not quite so easy as this demonstration purports. I do, however, give credit for the effort that 7Artisans has produced at a bargain basement price. And many will argue that Leica is more expensive that it needs to be, but do you really believe that a $400 Chinese lens is comparable to a hand made German lens? If you guys were in the car business, you'd be doing a comparison between a Civic and and S Class Benz. The scariest guy in the room is the guy who doesn't know what he doesn't know. @coasttocoastphotoatl

@AcuteShadows, Henry Richardson

Testing these two lenses on a Leica M body is NOT going to make that much difference.

Doing so will remove the only remaining uncertainty that Leica fans don't want to admit.

It's a good thing that I resisted getting into the Leica M system. The lenses are truly ridiculously expensive.

I do have a Leica Q and I enjoy using it for street photography.

Link | Posted on Aug 21, 2020 at 13:02 UTC
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coasttocoastphoto: The four-picture test results are a gimmick. You shot a Leica lens on a Fuji camera which is not optimized. And in three out of four shots, you chose to go for the trendy, dreary, inexperienced wedding photographer look. You know the shot where the bride and groom are walking down a path and behind them is a white sky sunset. Everything is overexposed. As a guy who has been shooting Leica, Minolta, Nikon and Canon for decades, I can tell you that outperforming a Leica is not quite so easy as this demonstration purports. I do, however, give credit for the effort that 7Artisans has produced at a bargain basement price. And many will argue that Leica is more expensive that it needs to be, but do you really believe that a $400 Chinese lens is comparable to a hand made German lens? If you guys were in the car business, you'd be doing a comparison between a Civic and and S Class Benz. The scariest guy in the room is the guy who doesn't know what he doesn't know. @coasttocoastphotoatl

@coasttocoastphoto

Your analogy is flawed.

"...but do you really believe that a $400 Chinese lens is comparable to a hand made German lens? If you guys were in the car business, you'd be doing a comparison between a Civic and S Class Benz."

Lens comparison and car comparison are vastly different.

We compare pictures and when we can't tell the difference, why pay for the difference?

Link | Posted on Aug 21, 2020 at 00:09 UTC
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KubeKube: We should compliment DP Review for saying to Leica "The king wears no clothes" in such a polite, respectful manner.

@AcuteShadows

LeicaRumors may have chosen to use a Fujifilm GFX body to test both lenses so that the surprising results can STILL leave a little uncertainty for Leica lovers to hang on.

I doubt even using the latest Leica M10R is going to make the similarity of the two lenses LESSOR.

Link | Posted on Aug 20, 2020 at 23:10 UTC

Just wasted 60 seconds watching the above video.

It provided nothing informational regarding the next iteration of Android.

It is better to use text instead of video/audio if there is nothing to show.

Link | Posted on Aug 20, 2020 at 19:33 UTC as 44th comment

So it goes to show that the 7Artisans lens produces images very difficult to distinguish from Leica's lens that costs 14 times as much.

I will buy one (35 f/1.4) plus an Leica M to Leica L adapter so that it can also be used on the Panasonic S1R.

Link | Posted on Aug 20, 2020 at 09:54 UTC as 72nd comment

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Link | Posted on Aug 18, 2020 at 19:26 UTC as 21st comment | 2 replies
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EdisonW: Cheap Chinese knockoff brand? No thanks, though just to be clear, I'm no Leica shooter either, as I don't see the value and ROI in their ecosystem either.

@EdisonW

Have you not noticed that the world has changed quite a bit in the last ten years or so? Who is the leader in 5G communications? Who has the world's largest network of high-speed train? Who has the most capable and widely used mobile payment system?

Link | Posted on Aug 18, 2020 at 18:55 UTC
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Aroart: WOW.... looks like a Honda civic type r can beat a Porsche 911...

Nice try.

Link | Posted on Aug 18, 2020 at 18:44 UTC
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wogg: For these to really be a test, it should be done on an M body camera from Leica.. right? Otherwise everything past center 3rd is essentially compromised due to the affect of sensor filter glass on M lenses.

It won't matter that much to demand 14 times of price difference.

Link | Posted on Aug 18, 2020 at 18:43 UTC
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AndersSJ: I will wait for a comparison done on a Leica M body.

@AndersSJ

It won't matter that much to demand 14 times of price difference.

Link | Posted on Aug 18, 2020 at 18:41 UTC
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(unknown member): "... it goes to show just how far optics, even budget optics, have come over the years."

it goes to show how extremely overpriced Leica lenses are. And it goes to show that decent IQ lenses could be made and sold dirt cheap, especially by the big OEM companies with hugely higher volume runs than chinese copycats like 7Artisans.

@Kharan

Your generalizations don't hold water. Plenty of Chinese lens makers have original designs and incorporate aspheric lens elements.

Link | Posted on Aug 18, 2020 at 18:38 UTC
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