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Ricoh entered this class already in september 2005 With the Ricoh Caplio R3 which have a 28 - 200mm zoom in a compact body. Dimensions 95 x 53 x 26.
It have IS as well as fast AF and good optical performance and fortunately very little noise reduction, though which not everyone liked.
https://dpreview.com/products/ricoh/compacts/ricoh_caplior3
Too bad but at this stage it was more or less expected to be abandoned at some point.
notpc: Looking at the flooding pic, it turns trees in the distance into mush.
For sure not very good. The last of these three, think it was, the V705 had better image quality. Less NR. http://quesabesde.com/camaras/kodak-easyshare-v705/muestra/654261
schaki: So it is only the color which can be Titanium for this camera, but no the body material which is said to still be Aluminium, right?
I've a 2002 Contax TVS Digital and most of the utter body/shell materials are made of realTitanium and also a sapphire release button http://contaxcameras.co.uk/digital/tvsdigital/tvsdigitaloverview.html
A superb little camera which was expensive as new but I bought my used a couple of years ago and have used it quite a lot and still do so alongside my Leica X1 which I bought not very long ago.
If Leica was to offer some decent pancake-primes like Samsung did with their aps-c NX-mount or a small collapsible zoom which Panasonic made. Then I actually might be a little more interested in the Leica T-system despite not using FF sensors.
Well. The aps-c TL 18-56mm have a length/depth of 60mm. Compare that to the Samsung NX 16-50mm which only is 31mm length and have very similar widest apertures compared to Leica 18-56mm. Add to that the Samsung-lens have Optical image stabilisation unlike the Leica-zoom. As far as i can find in Dpreview specs for Leica TL it don't have in camera image stabilisation either. Somewhat surprising.
https://dpreview.com/products/samsung/lenses/samsung_16_50_3p5-5p6_pz_ois
https://dpreview.com/products/leica/lenses/leica-t-18-56-3p5-5p6
Shame that samsung pulled out of the camera business just when they had begun to really get it right and catch up well with NX1 and NX500.
So it is only the color which can be Titanium for this camera, but no the body material which is said to still be Aluminium, right?
I've a 2002 Contax TVS Digital and most of the utter body/shell materials are made of realTitanium and also a sapphire release button http://contaxcameras.co.uk/digital/tvsdigital/tvsdigitaloverview.html
A superb little camera which was expensive as new but I bought my used a couple of years ago and have used it quite a lot and still do so alongside my Leica X1 which I bought not very long ago.
If Leica was to offer some decent pancake-primes like Samsung did with their aps-c NX-mount or a small collapsible zoom which Panasonic made. Then I actually might be a little more interested in the Leica T-system despite not using FF sensors.
Old Cameras: So the red dot costs about $300, yes?
I would presume that the PanaLeica edition have longer warranty than Panasonic's own version. And yes, of course you mainly pay for the red dot as well a little unless you like me buy a real Leica like the X1 which have no Panasonic equivalent.
Next in the line of Dslrs should be the Nikon D1 or Contax N Digital.
Wow that Wimius is a joke when it comes to jpeg quality. I don't think I've ever seen such a waterpainting.
TheClueless: Jeeez... just on even a cursory read I had a hankering that this would have been written by the apparent tryhard hipster who wrote the massively-biased X70 review. Went back to review, sure enough yes.
Ricoh GR and Nikon Coolpix A is likely better cameras overall. Is that a problem?
I believe the problem is Fujifilm probably didn't try hard and well enough with the X70 to get the better of GR and Coolpix A.
After all no cameras are perfect and these three seems to have their individual strengths and weaknesses.
Fujifilm may be able to bounce back on top if they get it right with the X70S or X70T or whatever the upgraded X70 will be called when they think it is time to upgrade it with the 24mp sensor. But I would guess that they start to upgrade the X100 series first the last upgrade there was in september 2014.
Then if they keep the same lens or not I don't know.
The NV series was Samsung's premium compacts with some of them having their zoom branded as Schneider-Kreuznach, back then in 06 to mid 08.
The Samsung NV7 OPS, also from 06, was an other interesting camera in the NV series. https://dpreview.com/reviews/samsungnv7
The NR issues for the NV series began already in 07 with NV15 and NV20 which used same zoom as NV10 but 12mp in NV20 instead of 10mp. I don't know however NV8 with same zoom but 8mp from 07 have NR issues or not, as for the NV11 which is 10mp
Unfortunately it was almost only the early NV-compacts which used not too much noise reduction. In 08, with NV24HD, NV30/40 and NV100HD, Samsung used too much detail-ruining NR (which not could be turned down or off) with the NV4 as the only exception as far as I know.
I still have my Samsung L74 Wide which is from 07. Despite the lens being branded "Samsung NV lens" it was not a member of the NV series. But it don't use too much NR despite the small sensor.
My first digital camera was the Nikon Coolpix 700 which I bought in 2000, I think it was. A pretty good camera then with a fixed focal length of equivalent 35mm. Much have happened since then.
While it is not much of an upgrade, at least it is better than no upgrade at all. Seems like Leica have something to learn from Ricoh, the way they support their GR cameras over a two-year period of time.
RIP M.R
schaki: "Enter Panasonic, a company with a long history of making travel zoom cameras. In fact, the company made what many would consider the first one: the DMC-TZ1, way back in 2006."
I don't quite agree with that. In fact, the smaller Ricoh Caplio R3 was announced in september 2005 compared to february 2006 for TZ1.
http://dpreview.com/products/ricoh/compacts/ricoh_caplior3
http://dpreview.com/products/panasonic/compacts/panasonic_dmctz1
Dpreview however didn't review the R3 unlike many other photography review sites.
I've recently bought another R3 as my current one have got bad in the way that it now only uses the slow ccd-AF at the long end of the zoom.
I'm looking to maybe add a R5 as well. These two seems to be the best of the first generation Ricoh travel zoom compacts before they renamed it to "CX" I've had a R8 but didn't like it a lot because of the NR problem and slow AF and the R10 is worse as far as image quality go. Ricoh began to lose it with the R6 which no longer had PDAF sensors and also slowly began to use more NR than in the previous models.
I've a CX4 which I not use much because of NR problem ther too. Sometimes the noise looks like some weird fog which ruins the pictures. I don't have that problem with the R3.
The by now somewhat old Canon Powershot SX230 recently became my choice for travelzoom compact with built in Gps.
It almost surely won't beat the R3 for AF speed and uses somewhat more NR. But I don't think it will be to be too bad as a complement to the R3.
"Enter Panasonic, a company with a long history of making travel zoom cameras. In fact, the company made what many would consider the first one: the DMC-TZ1, way back in 2006."
I don't quite agree with that. In fact, the smaller Ricoh Caplio R3 was announced in september 2005 compared to february 2006 for TZ1.
http://dpreview.com/products/ricoh/compacts/ricoh_caplior3
http://dpreview.com/products/panasonic/compacts/panasonic_dmctz1
Dpreview however didn't review the R3 unlike many other photography review sites.
66GTO: It would be interesting to have compared some images from the Q with some from the APSC sensor Nikon Coolpix A 28mm lens just for grins, even with the sensor size and PM differences. Like the cat in the fridge shot a lot!
While I surely may agree about that I'll also mention that that these cameras are more different than one may think.
Q have fast lens and FF sensor but looks somewhat big and bulky - Coolpix A, GR and X70 is pocketable, but have slower widest aperture and aps-c sensor.
Q also cost a lot more not only because it is FF.
Dpreview might as well compare it to Sony RX1 IIR and that would be another not optimal comparison due the the different focal length.
So, no GPS connectivity at all? Pretty bad if that's it, otherwise I might have been interested in the 18-50 or 24-85mm. The Wi-fi and Bluetooth connections seems only to be used for remote-control and "sharing" with Snapbridge :/
Seems like I'll go with my somewhat bulky Ricoh Caplio 500SE with the Gps for another year. That's not too bad as the image quality is reasonably good but it is a little bulkier than I would like.
The video quality better be good this time.. Last time with the WG-M1 they destroyed details pretty well with too much NR. https://youtube.com/watch?v=koLbxGYLxF4
Luckily I didn't buy one back then and probably not this time either. This "Ricoh-camera" is probably not even designed by Ricoh, but Sanyo which also made the Ricoh WG-4 and WG-5 gps.
Clearly not very impressed so far. The lens have somewhat rough out of focus rendering. Which can be seen in the picture with the red tractor and also the picture to the left of the dog-pictures.
The default jpeg ouput looks somewhat flat and I get the impression that the default NR setting for jpeg not is off, as it the look seems to indicate. Also the trees doesnt look too well which probably is down to NR. At Fujifilm have not overcooked it with too much sharpening.
Maybe better than standard settings could push the ooc jpeg output towards something better.
But that oof rendering as mentioned before... Wont be easy to get away from that.
schaki: Leica wasn't the only ones to overprice their cameras. Contax did the same thing with their digital compact cameras before Kyocera which manufactured those, after the design by Contax, decided to withdraw from the camera market.
For the Contax TVS Digital which was available in champagne-color and black they charged $899 respectively a grand, $999 for the black in 2003.
It shall be said though that Contax included a leather-case and a simple IR remote control. The battery charger was a simple AC-charger with contact which you plug into the camera.
The Contax TVSD used a common 5mp 1/1.8" sensor and a pretty much standard, though with near superb performance, 35-105mm f2.8 - 4.8 zoomlens. Most of the camera-body was in Titanium. The Lcd is only 1.6".
I didn't buy a TVSD back then but a used one at a much lower price in 2013, I think it was.
It is a photographers' camera with a very much intuitive UI and good handling overall.
I don't know how much the G3 cost new. Anyway it is a more bulky camera. Unlike the TVSD it is not really pocketable.
Yes. I've had a look mostly at Contax T2, T3 and also the film-based TVS compacts. The TVS film compacts had slower widest aperture than T2 and T3 due to the zoom in these but still performed well optically.