keeponkeepingon

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On article Quick look: Canon's new compressed Raw format (242 comments in total)

A severe crop and no PDAF in 4K video , priced 23% higher in the USA (versus europe) and now a new raw format that degrades image quality?

Is the M50 the most evil camera every produced by canon???????

Link | Posted on Apr 3, 2018 at 07:05 UTC as 27th comment | 4 replies
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)
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keeponkeepingon: Wow.

Canon M50 sample Gallery: 56 of 78 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lenses costing $120-$500

Sony A7III sample Gallery: 0 of 177 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lens costing $500-$1600

I really wish you had more rigor in selecting lenses for your sample galleries. For canon I'd love to see what it can do with some decent glass and for sony I really would like to see what kind of IQ I can get with the only lens sold by Sony with the A7III.

@ruberdials "The 55/1.8 was used because Sony didn't have an 85/1.8. Now they have DPR uses it. "

Wrong again. dpreview shoots all APS-C sensors, canon and sony with a 50mm lens. "now they have DPR uses it" no they don't, the latest sony and canon APS-C sensor cameras are all shot with 50mm. As the EOS-M does not have a 50mm they use an adapter. Since they are using an adapter they literally could have picked any lens but they chose a 30 year old $350 dinosaur......

@negative287

"I would like to see the 6300 and this shot with Canon L Glass for comparison."

Exactly. Unless you are using the same, decent glass the comparisons are fairly useless for comparing different manufacturers cameras......

@ruberdials "You're sure of this?" 100%. The staff can correct me if I'm wrong. lol. Perhaps I should have said "I imagine" versus "I'm sure".

Link | Posted on Apr 2, 2018 at 07:17 UTC
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JochenIs: Manufacturers do not comply with the ISO standard. Newer cameras of the same manufacturer tend to have slightly less actual ISO at the same ISO settings to make the newer camera look better at the same ISO setting. Also different manufacturers might have different actual ISO. To future proof measurements and make them comparable to other brands we should measure the provided brightness at each ISO setting.
Also interesting does the shift of ISO setting change at the dual gain breakpoint?

John, you are reading it as he is claiming they use the same light bulbs to light each seen, but in the context (you can use our scene to accurately compare ISO between manufacturers) it's easily (and perhaps more accurate) to read it as the amount of total light provided to the sensor which is affected by the shutter speed (as per your definition). At the end of the day they are giving more light to the Sony A7III by leaving the shutter open 20% longer at iso 100

Some above posted that RAW shutter speed is more rigorous but when you click on the link it defaults to jpeg with the shutter speed adjusted to give the sony an edge.

Link | Posted on Apr 2, 2018 at 07:09 UTC
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tkbslc: It the pencil actually useful for photo editing? Wondering if it's worth swapping out my base iPad from last year, which is fine otherwise.

It really depends on how you edit your photos on your ipad.

For just moving sliders for brightness etc the pencil adds nothing.

But for for any spot editing adjustments the accuracy of the pencil is exceptional, much better than any stylus I've used. The small $15 stylus that use a plastic see-through disk are almost as good but I hate that little plastic disk.

Link | Posted on Mar 31, 2018 at 05:33 UTC
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tabloid: Can it make phone calls.

Probably not but I think apple has something called "handoff" that will let you answer calls from your iphone on your ipad (I think)

Then of course there is skype etc that will let you make real phone calls.

Link | Posted on Mar 31, 2018 at 05:15 UTC
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)
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keeponkeepingon: Wow.

Canon M50 sample Gallery: 56 of 78 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lenses costing $120-$500

Sony A7III sample Gallery: 0 of 177 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lens costing $500-$1600

I really wish you had more rigor in selecting lenses for your sample galleries. For canon I'd love to see what it can do with some decent glass and for sony I really would like to see what kind of IQ I can get with the only lens sold by Sony with the A7III.

BTW canon sells the M50 and and adapted 50mm F1.8 as a kit so maybe we'll see some samples eventually from dpreview with that "kit" lens and the M50

Canon
EOS M50 BK M15-45 S + EF-MOUNT +EF 50MM F1.8
Item code 2680C061
EAN 8714574657639

Link | Posted on Mar 31, 2018 at 05:10 UTC
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)
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keeponkeepingon: Wow.

Canon M50 sample Gallery: 56 of 78 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lenses costing $120-$500

Sony A7III sample Gallery: 0 of 177 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lens costing $500-$1600

I really wish you had more rigor in selecting lenses for your sample galleries. For canon I'd love to see what it can do with some decent glass and for sony I really would like to see what kind of IQ I can get with the only lens sold by Sony with the A7III.

" to have been shot with EF lenses using an adaptor."

Simply shoot all cameras samples with both kit and non-kit lenses would be fine. There are non-adapted non-kit lenses (28mm, 11-22mm) that a lot of folks would like to see plus more than 6 of 71 shots with the 22mm. The UWA would be particularly attractive given the heavy 4K video crop on the M50.

"surprised"

I never said I was surprised. It's par for the course for sony versus everyone else here. (for example studio shots for sony APS-C are shot with a $900 lens with zeiss special sauce, while the EOS-M get an adapted 30 year old $350 lens. Talk about comparing apples to oranges.)

It's not necessarily dpreview "bias". I'm guessing it's more a result of sony's marketing. I'm sure the A7III showed up at dpreveiw HQ with $5,000 worth of lenses and a sony tech to help while canon just sent a box with the kit lens and dpreview scrounged a few other kit lenses from older samples sent for review .

Link | Posted on Mar 31, 2018 at 05:00 UTC
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JochenIs: Manufacturers do not comply with the ISO standard. Newer cameras of the same manufacturer tend to have slightly less actual ISO at the same ISO settings to make the newer camera look better at the same ISO setting. Also different manufacturers might have different actual ISO. To future proof measurements and make them comparable to other brands we should measure the provided brightness at each ISO setting.
Also interesting does the shift of ISO setting change at the dual gain breakpoint?

" To future proof measurements and make them comparable to other brands we should measure the provided brightness at each ISO setting."

If dpreview fixed the shutter speed/iso, /focal length/aperture and ideally used the same lens (adapted if necessary) you would be able to see what you are asking for and I could see how it would be useful to include that in studio shots.

Also the adapted lens would level t he playing field a bit (for example for sony APS-C studio tests dpreview uses a modern $900 lens with zeiss special sauce but a 30 year old $350 lens for Canon APS-C) and would sort of be necessary because even if you fixed everything manually there could still be differences in light transmitted by the lenses.

But even without the adapted lenses using the same settings would help when comparing cameras from the same vendor. Call the new test "standardized ISO test" I think a lot of folks would lub it.

Link | Posted on Mar 31, 2018 at 04:35 UTC
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JochenIs: Manufacturers do not comply with the ISO standard. Newer cameras of the same manufacturer tend to have slightly less actual ISO at the same ISO settings to make the newer camera look better at the same ISO setting. Also different manufacturers might have different actual ISO. To future proof measurements and make them comparable to other brands we should measure the provided brightness at each ISO setting.
Also interesting does the shift of ISO setting change at the dual gain breakpoint?

"that's why in our studio scene we always give every camera the same amount of total scene light at any given manufacturer ISO setting. This means that whenever you're comparing ISO X on one camera"

That would be great if it was true but it isn't.

Look at the recent A7III comparison:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a7-iii-first-impressions-review

At ISO 100 the A7III is given 1/40s to collect light while the D750 is given 1/50s to collect light so your "same amount of light" claim is either untrue or misleading.

More time for the A7III equals more light in your test at ISO100.

If you fixed the shutter speed your statement would be true and the A7III scene would look dimmer than the D750 at ISO100.

So again we have a lot of data that in the end is.... meaningless......

Link | Posted on Mar 31, 2018 at 04:20 UTC
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)
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keeponkeepingon: Wow.

Canon M50 sample Gallery: 56 of 78 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lenses costing $120-$500

Sony A7III sample Gallery: 0 of 177 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lens costing $500-$1600

I really wish you had more rigor in selecting lenses for your sample galleries. For canon I'd love to see what it can do with some decent glass and for sony I really would like to see what kind of IQ I can get with the only lens sold by Sony with the A7III.

@rubberdials. Sigh. Woosh over your head you tottaly don't "get it".

I like that they shot the M50 with kit lens but I wish they included decent glass in the sample gallery and more than a handful of pictures with the $200 22mm prime.

I like that they shot the A7III with $1600 glass but I wish the 171 samples also included a few picture from the lens that comes in the box.

@michael b66
"and some serious EF lenses "

Exactly! And it's confusing because dpreview does all of the comparison tests for the EOS-M series with an adapted EF 50mm F1.4. That's not necessarily serious L quality but the fact is they have the hardware on-hand but chose not to use it.

Link | Posted on Mar 30, 2018 at 01:42 UTC
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keeponkeepingon: Verus the 2017 ipad the only difference is an expensive $89 stylus support and the A9 cpu is upgraded to the A10.

This is almost like the Ipad 3 / 4 upgrade..... about as minor as you can get.... Crazy that apple feels that confident that this is their big push into the educational market. Almost the same ipad as last year, support for an overpriced stylus and $30 off list. A better option if they are serious about the education market would have been an integrated or bundled decent keyboard. The same ipad as last year is really poor competition to compete against a market that is being taken over by $200 chromebooks, our organization just purchased like 14K Chromebooks, solely to run a web based app that requires keyboard input and apple had nothing, absolutely nothing, that was competitive.

> It's not a market they are interested in

lol. If I was an apple share holder I would find that a bit disturbing.

Apple used to rule the education market and now they are a sideline curiosity. It's a shame because with our webcentric/appcentric, world, their existing hardware and partnersips with the big guys such as pearson (pierson?) they could make Apple great again!

Link | Posted on Mar 29, 2018 at 08:59 UTC
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)
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keeponkeepingon: Wow.

Canon M50 sample Gallery: 56 of 78 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lenses costing $120-$500

Sony A7III sample Gallery: 0 of 177 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lens costing $500-$1600

I really wish you had more rigor in selecting lenses for your sample galleries. For canon I'd love to see what it can do with some decent glass and for sony I really would like to see what kind of IQ I can get with the only lens sold by Sony with the A7III.

The process should still be the same. If sony is marketing/selling the A7III with a specific lens, I'd like to see pictures with that lens.

Conversely every lens in the canon M50 gallery was sold as a "kit" lens for the EOS-M platform at some point.

"price break" at the end of the day it's still an almost $1000 camera and it's not hard to imagine some folks dropping $1k may want to know what the camera can do with decent glass.....

Link | Posted on Mar 29, 2018 at 08:34 UTC
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)

Picture 46 is interesting. Googling, the cat behind the plane has a helipad and is owned by Bill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNWjSKBkN3o

Link | Posted on Mar 29, 2018 at 08:28 UTC as 24th comment
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)
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Edmond Leung: Almost all EF-M lenses are NOT sharp enough except the 22mm and 28mm.
Better to use the EF lenses on it, although they are bigger.

"What exactly is the definition for not sharp enough? I have seen huge prints from the 11-22 "

A wonderful lens but alas not featured at all in this gallery.

Link | Posted on Mar 29, 2018 at 08:13 UTC
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)
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snapa: After viewing the first picture and looking at the trees in the background, I immediately dismissed this camera. There is nothing sharp enough in that picture that would even remotely make me think of getting this camera. Then, I checked out a few more pictures and they only got worse, what a waste of R&D and resources.

I'd rather use my Pixel 2 that would give me much better landscapes than this. I was hoping Canon would have come out with a much better camera than this, but they simply did not, IMO.

"After viewing the first picture and looking at the trees in the background I immediately dismissed this camera"

Most of the pictures (75%) were taken with the kit lens, one of the worst EF-M lenses.

Link | Posted on Mar 29, 2018 at 08:12 UTC
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)
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keeponkeepingon: Wow.

Canon M50 sample Gallery: 56 of 78 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lenses costing $120-$500

Sony A7III sample Gallery: 0 of 177 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lens costing $500-$1600

I really wish you had more rigor in selecting lenses for your sample galleries. For canon I'd love to see what it can do with some decent glass and for sony I really would like to see what kind of IQ I can get with the only lens sold by Sony with the A7III.

Lenses used in the M50 Sample Gallery. Only two are considered decent:

#pics/Lens:
56 Canon EF-M 15-45mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM

14 Canon EF-M 18-150mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM

6 Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM

1 Canon EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM

Link | Posted on Mar 29, 2018 at 08:07 UTC
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)
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keeponkeepingon: Wow.

Canon M50 sample Gallery: 56 of 78 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lenses costing $120-$500

Sony A7III sample Gallery: 0 of 177 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lens costing $500-$1600

I really wish you had more rigor in selecting lenses for your sample galleries. For canon I'd love to see what it can do with some decent glass and for sony I really would like to see what kind of IQ I can get with the only lens sold by Sony with the A7III.

Sony A7III lens used for the sample gallery:

Lenses used in A7III sample gallery. All are considered decent by the community:

#pics/lens:
9 Sony Distagon T* FE 35mm F1.4 ZA

4 Sony FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS

17 Sony FE 12-24mm F4 G

42 Sony FE 24-105mm F4 G OSS

36 Sony FE 55mm F1.8 ZA Carl Zeiss Sonnar T*

17 Sony FE 85mm F1.8

6 Sony FE 90mm F2.8 Macro G OSS

Link | Posted on Mar 29, 2018 at 08:04 UTC
On article Canon EOS M50 sample gallery (193 comments in total)

Wow.

Canon M50 sample Gallery: 56 of 78 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lenses costing $120-$500

Sony A7III sample Gallery: 0 of 177 pictures with the kit lens. All pictures taken with lens costing $500-$1600

I really wish you had more rigor in selecting lenses for your sample galleries. For canon I'd love to see what it can do with some decent glass and for sony I really would like to see what kind of IQ I can get with the only lens sold by Sony with the A7III.

Link | Posted on Mar 29, 2018 at 08:02 UTC as 26th comment | 27 replies

Verus the 2017 ipad the only difference is an expensive $89 stylus support and the A9 cpu is upgraded to the A10.

This is almost like the Ipad 3 / 4 upgrade..... about as minor as you can get.... Crazy that apple feels that confident that this is their big push into the educational market. Almost the same ipad as last year, support for an overpriced stylus and $30 off list. A better option if they are serious about the education market would have been an integrated or bundled decent keyboard. The same ipad as last year is really poor competition to compete against a market that is being taken over by $200 chromebooks, our organization just purchased like 14K Chromebooks, solely to run a web based app that requires keyboard input and apple had nothing, absolutely nothing, that was competitive.

Link | Posted on Mar 29, 2018 at 07:14 UTC as 26th comment | 7 replies
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retr01976: The images look pretty much like every camera on the market these days both crop and FF...

" like every camera on the market these days both crop and FF..."

Exactly. I'm even thinking for the many sunny day outdoor shots my iphone would have done just as well.......

Link | Posted on Mar 26, 2018 at 05:51 UTC
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