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On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Archiver: So, while we can't put these into standard microSD devices, future devices from Samsung will allow both UFS and microSD. Is that what is being said?

No, future devices from everyone will just transition to UFS, it's a new industry standard and not a Samsung thing. It'll probably take quite a few years for cameras to go near it tho.

Link | Posted on Jul 12, 2016 at 04:12 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Toselli: In my opinion a bad move from samsung, it reminds my sony of some years ago, who created memory stick and no one but sony used. There were no benefits and they were twice the price of an equivalent sd. The benefit here is speed, but in my opinion nothing that can't be done with a new sd/microsd release. In my opinion also speed is not essential, on a phone (where this size is used) we already have a fast system memory, and the microsd is used almost only for music, photos and videos, which have no benefits with a faster memory. On a camera also speed depends mainly from the buffer, unless you shoot really a lot of long bursts at 10 fps, but the cameras made to do this already have xqd!

Actually, phones are already using UFS storage... Most flagship phones migrated to it this year and last, eschewing the old eMMC standard which was closely related to SD & micro SD. It represented a big boost in internal storage performance... Obviously they're using non removable soldered-on UFS solutions, but it's essentially the same thing in a different package.

Link | Posted on Jul 11, 2016 at 22:31 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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BfSkinner: Would this type of storage be usable as the actual "hard drive" in new, cheap PCs?
They would certainly take up nearly zero space!

Any 2.5" spinning hard drive obviously...

Link | Posted on Jul 11, 2016 at 22:24 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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BfSkinner: Would this type of storage be usable as the actual "hard drive" in new, cheap PCs?
They would certainly take up nearly zero space!

It's already used as the main drive inside phones and tablets over the last year or two... High end PC use much faster M.2 & PCI-E SSD which aren't much larger than a gumstick, but you'll likely see some adopt UFS (in non removable form, like phones) at the lower end of the market (think Surface rather than Surface Pro). The performance is relative to that of an older SATA SSD, still better than any 2.5" drive.

Link | Posted on Jul 11, 2016 at 22:23 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Dr_Jon: I read the White Paper but it didn't say anything that made me think it's a clever advancement of flash technology rather than a tweak to aid performance in the belief that's the thing consumers really want and will pay more for. I suspect Micro-SD may prove to be "just good enough" for most users so it'll have a hard life.

Dunno what white paper you claim you read, but UFS represents a significant departure in communication protocols from eMMC/SD... Increased command queuing, much lower latency, more channel parallelism for way more bandwidth headroom, etc etc.

Link | Posted on Jul 11, 2016 at 22:20 UTC
On article 8K Helium Super 35mm sensor on the way from RED (86 comments in total)
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noflashplease: I shudder to think about the computing resources required to actually edit uncompressed 8K video.

Something's gotta push computing power and storage solutions IMO, as a tech head I'm actually intrigued by it... Not much else (gaming aside, and storage is irrelevant for that) is really pushing those boundaries, and it's left a market limping on a faltering AMD and a somewhat complacent Intel (possibly NV too if AMD's GPU division keeps focusing on high volume business like consoles).

Link | Posted on Jul 11, 2016 at 22:17 UTC
On article 8K Helium Super 35mm sensor on the way from RED (86 comments in total)
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Neez: I don't think they should use chemical elements in the name, unless it's involved in the manufacturing process or something. Do they use helium to make this sensor?? Otherwise, it doesn't seem right to call it the Helium Sensor.

Like if i were to call a car, the Toyota Propane vehicle, people would be all kinds of confused.

The hard drives you use to archive 8K footage are likely filled with helium (as many high end drives now are), so there's that... :p

Link | Posted on Jul 11, 2016 at 22:14 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Toselli: In my opinion a bad move from samsung, it reminds my sony of some years ago, who created memory stick and no one but sony used. There were no benefits and they were twice the price of an equivalent sd. The benefit here is speed, but in my opinion nothing that can't be done with a new sd/microsd release. In my opinion also speed is not essential, on a phone (where this size is used) we already have a fast system memory, and the microsd is used almost only for music, photos and videos, which have no benefits with a faster memory. On a camera also speed depends mainly from the buffer, unless you shoot really a lot of long bursts at 10 fps, but the cameras made to do this already have xqd!

Your opinion is sorely misinformed, no offense, read some of the other comments or do some research... This is a new industry wide backed standard btw, not a Samsung exclusive.

Link | Posted on Jul 10, 2016 at 16:42 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Kiril Karaatanasov: Brand new Memory Stick! Wow! How exciting.......

This time from Korea

CFast and the like seem to serve a completely different segment (pro niche), and we aren't assuming anything, all the major players signed off on this format... Western Digital (Sandisk), Micron (Lexar), Hynix, Toshiba, etc. It isn't competing with anything, it's just what's next, eventually. In the immediate future it's not all that relevant for consumer cameras because there isn't a pressing need, and it's not gonna be adopted right away compared to other markets that will more quickly migrate to the new interface (like phones, which already use it internally).

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 20:52 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Favorable Exponynt: So this is obviously not backwards compatible. Who besides Samsung will support this. Otherwise it is useless.

Everything carries a premium when it's new, I'm glad you have insider notice on this 50% premium tho, care to share more?

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 18:18 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Joe Ogiba: I bet the Samsung S8 smartphone with 4K video will have a HFC slot when it comes out February 2017.

I've got two Lexar UHS-II cards (128GB & 64GB) I've no intention of replacing anytime soon btw (amongst others), truth be told the cameras I use don't even need much more... My E-M5 II can already shoot indefinitely and continuously at 5fps with a fast enough card, almost making the buffer irrelevant... Still necessary for 10fps tho.

Better or higher res cameras wouldn't be able to manage that tho, and yeah UHS-II could scale even higher (to satisfy the need of 40MP+ & 15fps+ bodies); but like i said elsewhere, despite Samsung's misguided PR the main initial use for this will be in scenarios where the better random I/O performance matters (as others pointed out, at sequential transfers it isn't a big jump from UHS, if at all, at least for now; but it'll scale much higher in the long run).

The USB consortium came up with Type C because the old plug simply didn't have the number of lanes to support everything they wanted to do, and UFC is basically no different in that regard. Since both are standards that pretty much all sane parties agreed on there's no need to ram it down customer's throat (unlike a proprietary format that you'd wanna hook people on to ensure commercial success), it'll happen gradually on an as needed basis.

Like I said,UFS is already in use within phones where running an OS and apps benefit significantly more from the changes the interface brings, now there's removable cards so when devices with the appropriate ports arrive they're ready to support them (probably not the GS8! they haven't even jumped on Type C yet). Cameras... A few years down the line, no rush, no fuss.

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 18:16 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Joe Ogiba: I bet the Samsung S8 smartphone with 4K video will have a HFC slot when it comes out February 2017.

Read a couple of the other comments, read the Wiki link I posted near the start... They could probably maintain pin compatibility, but it'd be a nightmare because the protocols used are vastly different... Might as well rip the bandaid and go forth with a new standard.

Same reason things like PATA, serial, and parallel were abandoned, same reason even something as ubiquitous as USB adopts new port and cable options to gain new capabilities. It's really a drastically different approach to communicating with the storage controller, in order to reduce latency, increase channel parallelism, etc. It's not simply a matter of 'faster' in the brute force sense of sequential transfers.

UFS actually ends up using protocols nearly as advanced as those used internally by a camera (for sensor readout), which are a large departure from the eMMC & SD standard that have been around for a decade. It's all kind of irrelevant for cameras for now, but by the time cameras can take advantage of it the media will probably be ubiquitous and as cheap as anything else, the BoM isn't very different outside the more modern controller.

Just in case you didn't read the other comments: this isn't a Samsung whim, it's a standard already in use inside phones and backed by all the major players including the NAND manufacturers (WD/Sandisk, Micron/Lexar, Hynix, and Toshiba, everyone buys the NAND from those 4).

No need to take my word for any of it, look at the Anandtech links and the Wiki link at the top of the comments section.

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 18:00 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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sh10453: I am glad that electrical engineers at various card manufacturers don't have the mentality of a large percentage of this audience.
If they had that type of mentality, we would still be using the 5 1/4" floppy drives for storage, with 64KB capacity.

If there is just ONE thing the ignorant needs to know, it is the fact that this is NOT, again NOT, a Samsung proprietary format.
This is a format that was adopted by the consortium of card makers (Lexar, Samsung, SanDisk, Sony, Panasonic, ..., etc.).

This format has already been implemented in fixed memory/disks in your smart phone and tablet, if they were made in the past year or two.
The format should not be a problem for you. If you don't have a device that can use it, don't buy it.

I'm sure future devices will soon begin to welcome and adopt this micro disk format, and you may not have a choice but to buy such devices!

SEARCH, READ, and EDUCATE yourself before commenting and showing the world your level of ignorance.

Were those still a thing post-2000? I think they might've been pre-2000, either that or I was just pretty privileged...

In 2000 I got a Kodak DC290 and I'm pretty sure we had 16MB+ CF cards by then (granted, we're still talking MB and not GB). It's probably the most expensive camera I've owned, well, tied with the E-M5 II if we go by MSRP but I only paid $700-ish for the latter and the Kodak was a gift from my dad.

I remember stopping at a store to buy CF cards in Europe during a family trip around 2001, I shudder to think what we paid for them... Flash media has always been a volatile market but I don't think I ever felt like I overpaid for an SD card over the last 10 years; unlike stuff like RAM, SSDs, etc.

I did grow up with floppies and half-dozen-disk game installs, ugh... Now I can pre download a game before launch, crazy.

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 15:54 UTC
On article Elevating X-Trans? Fujifilm X-T2 First Impressions Review (1230 comments in total)
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Robert Garcia NYC: How is the shutter sound compared to the xpro2? Anyone caught that?

Cameralabs has some comments on that.

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 15:36 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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sh10453: I am glad that electrical engineers at various card manufacturers don't have the mentality of a large percentage of this audience.
If they had that type of mentality, we would still be using the 5 1/4" floppy drives for storage, with 64KB capacity.

If there is just ONE thing the ignorant needs to know, it is the fact that this is NOT, again NOT, a Samsung proprietary format.
This is a format that was adopted by the consortium of card makers (Lexar, Samsung, SanDisk, Sony, Panasonic, ..., etc.).

This format has already been implemented in fixed memory/disks in your smart phone and tablet, if they were made in the past year or two.
The format should not be a problem for you. If you don't have a device that can use it, don't buy it.

I'm sure future devices will soon begin to welcome and adopt this micro disk format, and you may not have a choice but to buy such devices!

SEARCH, READ, and EDUCATE yourself before commenting and showing the world your level of ignorance.

Also, for anyone seeking more info:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Flash_Storage

It's like the third Google result when you search for UFS, the second paragraph is pretty explicit about how different the technical capabilities of UFS are vs something like eMMC & SD, if it's all gibberish to you just keep Googling key terms (like LVDS, fun fact: it's an advanced interface used by your camera's own sensor), or ask.

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 15:22 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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sh10453: I am glad that electrical engineers at various card manufacturers don't have the mentality of a large percentage of this audience.
If they had that type of mentality, we would still be using the 5 1/4" floppy drives for storage, with 64KB capacity.

If there is just ONE thing the ignorant needs to know, it is the fact that this is NOT, again NOT, a Samsung proprietary format.
This is a format that was adopted by the consortium of card makers (Lexar, Samsung, SanDisk, Sony, Panasonic, ..., etc.).

This format has already been implemented in fixed memory/disks in your smart phone and tablet, if they were made in the past year or two.
The format should not be a problem for you. If you don't have a device that can use it, don't buy it.

I'm sure future devices will soon begin to welcome and adopt this micro disk format, and you may not have a choice but to buy such devices!

SEARCH, READ, and EDUCATE yourself before commenting and showing the world your level of ignorance.

Yup. In all likelihood this won't show up in cameras for quite a while, given the fact that it's not very necessary (yet) and camera makers are really slow to adopt new standards -- sometimes rightfully so, others not so much. More than half of new cameras still don't exploit UHS-II fully which is sad and a pretty big drawback for users, makes a huge difference in buffer length and clearing.

By the time camera makers jump on UFS I'm sure it'll be at price parity with anything else, and in widespread use by other devices that benefit far more from it. UFS is also not a new format just for the sake of it, the communication and queuing protocols involved are a big jump from those on eMMC/SD solutions, regardless of the speed boasted by these particular Samsung cards.

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 15:13 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Sergey Borachev: Boycott any new card format. I see no compelling reason to change and then have confusion, high prices, and needing different cards for different f devices or brand.

Hopefully you haven't bought a new phone over the last two years or you'll have to throw it in the trash because It's got a UFS storage module inside... Can't have that, boycott! Flaxit! Rah rah! Grab your pitchforks!

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 15:05 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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RedFox88: A dead format even at launch. Samsung now sucks.

Being angry and crotchety and going with knee jerk reactions is a lot easier than taking 5 min to inform yourself, let alone listen to anybody else, it's probably the root cause of some major world issues. :/

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 15:01 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Joe Ogiba: The world’s first UFS memory cards have passed Universal Flash Storage Association (UFSA)’s certification program, which assesses electrical and functional specifications. As a result, Samsung will be able to start selling its UFSA-certified UFS cards as soon as the first devices with appropriate card readers launch.

Other makers of NAND flash memory and products based on it, such as Micron, SK Hynix, Toshiba and Western Digital (SanDisk), will also likely launch their UFS memory cards in the coming months and quarters.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10475/samsung-rolls-out-its-first-ufs-cards-ssd-performance-in-card-formfactor

Anandtech's article is really a lot better written than a straight out regurgitation of Samsung's (admittedly misguided PR), but that's what you'd expect from a hard tech site. UFS is of little relevance to cameras for now so I'm not entirely surprised that, without context, it elicited the negative reaction it did amongst uniformed DPR readers...

Though how strong that reaction was is still a little appalling. There must be a whole bunch of people that got burned by Memory Stick or other bogus proprietary formats (which this isn't), by no fault of their own. I jumped on digital from the start and really only ever had two types of cards tho, CF & SD, and only my first two digital cameras used CF.

There hasn't been a really bad format war in removable flash media, not like HD DVD vs BR or something like that which was crazier and more damaging to it's respective market. There HAS been quite a few short lived (or dragged out) proprietary formats like MS, which is unfortunate, but also of little relevance here.

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 14:59 UTC
On article Samsung launches first removable UFS memory cards (177 comments in total)
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Joe Ogiba: I bet the Samsung S8 smartphone with 4K video will have a HFC slot when it comes out February 2017.

Not sure what you mean, we're all "the masses", feel free to substitute it with the general consumer public or whatever phrase doesn't offend your sensibilities. English isn't my first language so maybe something's getting lost in translation, I'm pretty darn sure this has very little to do with consumerism beyond the pointless the PR by Samsung for something that isn't yet relevant (and is definitely not relevant for this site). UFS is actually a pretty sound standard tho, and it seems most of the commenters here have absolutely zero clue what it entails.

Link | Posted on Jul 9, 2016 at 14:40 UTC
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