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On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Chev Chelios: I also love my 15mm f1.7, which is pretty much glued on my GM1.

However, It's really disappointing that Panasonic seems to have lost interest in the GM line. Particularly given that when it launched the 15mm, one of Panasonic's selling points was that the lens had an exterior that matched the design of the GM1!

My GM1 is getting on a bit (the manual shutter is faulty, so I have to use it in electronic shutter mode all the time, with no flash) and I'd love to replace it with a 20MP GM2/GM6 but it looks like this will never happen. :(

They need to not push the entry level angle of the GF/GX### quite so hard... Wanna drop the custom spots on the dial? Fine, but at least AF a second dial then, there's space, that alone would raise it's standing with enthusiasts quite a bit.

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2017 at 07:17 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Boss of Sony: Boring focal length in my opinion.

That's so subjective, I think 50mm is boring but that's heretic to others. I've liked the 40mm EFL of the 20/1.7 for years now and do think the PL15 is neither wide enough (to be my wide prime) nor tight enough (to take the 20's place), but again that's very subjective.

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2017 at 07:14 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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ecka84: Looks nice and sharp, but somewhat dull in terms of contrast and color saturation. Could be normal for m4/3 though. Can't see why it costs $600. Leica branding? This is more than 3 times the price of my EF 40mm f/2.8 STM.

The PL12 has an aperture dial too does it not? So it's now 3, I imagine future PL primes will, if there's more in the pipeline anyway (17/1.4 would be killer, or a PL25 refresh with sealing)... Panasonic's roadmap these days seems to be to not have one, and their stuff doesn't leak in advance like Oly'a.

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2017 at 07:10 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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mxx: Apparently this lens was released sometime in 2014. Why an article about it now (as Doux Vide below also wants to know)?

It still doesn't take 3 years to achieve that... :P I'm guessing the piece is being written now simply because the writer happened to loan out the lens now, and it's not like body reviews which become borderline pointless after a year or two.

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2017 at 07:04 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Aroart: Sorry but my Fuji 35 f2 will eat you for breakfast lunch and dinner with better build and less expensive .. Don't understand why M4/3 lenses are so over priced compared to Fuji...

They actually aren't, although it depends what you're comparing... I think M4/3's most affordable options are cheaper than Fuji's overall, but when you start looking at the f1.2-1.4 M4/3 stuff then Fuji'a f1.4 primes are better priced. OTOH Fuji's standard f2.8 zoom lacks OIS which has always been bizarre for a system sans IBIS (yet their UWA has it which is rare for UWAs), and many of the zooms are as large as DSLR equivalents. Both lens catalogs have their strengths, I'd take either over APS-C from Sony, Canon, or Nikon tbh.

Link | Posted on Jul 23, 2017 at 07:02 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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ecka84: Looks nice and sharp, but somewhat dull in terms of contrast and color saturation. Could be normal for m4/3 though. Can't see why it costs $600. Leica branding? This is more than 3 times the price of my EF 40mm f/2.8 STM.

Btw DPR's own review describes the 40mm's AF as "not especially fast" (what I'd expect it a pancake using unit focus) and it mentions it only gets worse in LV, seems their standard is a little higher than yours. That's one of several reasons why I suggested the M4/3 20mm is a better point of comparison (same EFL, same sort of design)...

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 20:51 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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ecka84: Looks nice and sharp, but somewhat dull in terms of contrast and color saturation. Could be normal for m4/3 though. Can't see why it costs $600. Leica branding? This is more than 3 times the price of my EF 40mm f/2.8 STM.

If you wanna boil it down like that, sure (as long as you're also ignoring new body prices), if anyone is looking at M4/3 they're already prepared to make some concessions tho... The price of the lenses they'd get for one system vs the other isn't very different outside of the exceptions I named... And of course there's not a lot of nice and small f3.4 AF primes for FF or compact weather sealed and internal zooming f5.6 zooms... Everyone needs to find their balance. ;) Other mirrorless APS-C systems are priced about the same (again, with exceptions).

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 20:43 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Gesture: Beautiful photos. PROPS PROPS PROPS to Panasonic for getting an excellent size sensor in a number of outstanding compact form factors with EVFs DONE RIGHT.

I dunno whose fault it is either, regarding the compatibility of special features... Might be a mutual thing at this point, I don't think Panasonic ever enabled support for the extra Fn button on some Oly lenses, although their manual clutch still works to an extent.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 20:23 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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ecka84: Looks nice and sharp, but somewhat dull in terms of contrast and color saturation. Could be normal for m4/3 though. Can't see why it costs $600. Leica branding? This is more than 3 times the price of my EF 40mm f/2.8 STM.

The price disparity really isn't that great outside of a few special cases like this PL15 (which is mildly overpriced even relative to other cheaper M4/3 options) and the recent or semi recent release of $300 APS-C UWAs by both Canon and Nikon. Outside of that there's some pretty close price equivalents for most things, there's even a cheap fifty now in the 25/1.7 that often goes on sale for $150.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 20:08 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Gesture: Beautiful photos. PROPS PROPS PROPS to Panasonic for getting an excellent size sensor in a number of outstanding compact form factors with EVFs DONE RIGHT.

YWG: corrections are applied evenly across all Pana/Oly bodies ever since the E-M1 for Oly (original not mk II) and ever since the G5/6 for Pana (quite a few years ago)... That's not really an issue, the aperture ring compatibility is unfortunate tho.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 19:49 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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ecka84: Looks nice and sharp, but somewhat dull in terms of contrast and color saturation. Could be normal for m4/3 though. Can't see why it costs $600. Leica branding? This is more than 3 times the price of my EF 40mm f/2.8 STM.

Your 40/2.8 uses slower unit focus IIRC and one has to take into account the price of the body to go along with it... The APS-C 24/2.8 might be a better point of comparison but then so would the 20/1.7. I do think the PL15 is mildly overpriced even in the context of it's own system (which has plenty of f1.7-1.8 primes in the $150-400 range), chalk it up to the branding and the aperture ring. It can be found cheaper tho, there's a DJI version that's the same thing but apparently dodges the Leica tax...

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 19:47 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Gesture: Beautiful photos. PROPS PROPS PROPS to Panasonic for getting an excellent size sensor in a number of outstanding compact form factors with EVFs DONE RIGHT.

Ehh... EVFs done right is debatable, the 16:9 field sequential EVF on their GX7 & GX85 has often being criticized for rainbowing and being small (in large part due to the AR), and the GM5's was positively tiny.

Those were some of the few flaws with those particular bodies tho, the GX are awesome values even if you can find a better EVF on a similarly sized (but probably not similarly priced) body from Oly/Fuji. The E-M10 II is it's closest match but the hump makes it a different form factor to many.

The G85's OLED EVF OTOH is great, seems like the G series has always had great ones even when the bodies were priced lower (eg G6/7), maybe it's just hard to squeeze a really great one in when you're putting it in a corner...

PEN-F also makes some (lesser) EVF compromises compared to the E-M5 II... So do Sony's A6xxx series relative to the competition. The GX8 doesn't, but then it's a lot larger than any of the other rangefinder-esque bodies mentioned.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 18:10 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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TheDarmok74: "This is the only 30mm-equivalent focal length prime lens on the market today, and that makes it pretty special."

Serious question: Would any photographer know the difference between 28 and 30mm if he had no idea what focal length the lens on his camera has? Probably if they're experienced and shot in tight spaces but outside? Hard to imagine. But maybe I'm wrong.

I agree ZeBebito, it's probably the thing I like the least about the PL15, which of course isn't really fair to it... Wish we had more options at an actual 17mm but the system is still spoiled for choices so it's hard to complain.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 18:03 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Chev Chelios: I also love my 15mm f1.7, which is pretty much glued on my GM1.

However, It's really disappointing that Panasonic seems to have lost interest in the GM line. Particularly given that when it launched the 15mm, one of Panasonic's selling points was that the lens had an exterior that matched the design of the GM1!

My GM1 is getting on a bit (the manual shutter is faulty, so I have to use it in electronic shutter mode all the time, with no flash) and I'd love to replace it with a 20MP GM2/GM6 but it looks like this will never happen. :(

Ehh, if my GM1 died tomorrow I'd have no qualms replacing it with a GX850. Sure I'd prefer a GM body with a premium build and actual Custom spots on the dial (not sure why those disappeared on the GF/GX###, they're pushing the entry level angle too hard IMO)... But the GX850 (or a used GF7) still has a ton of upside.

That includes the obvious, like DFD AF, 4K video, and a tilt screen for a minimal increase in body size (still smaller than any other M4/3 body made outside the GM series); but also the not so obvious like Eye AF and auto ISO using manual mode (tho those last two things are features the GM5 had already gained FWIW).

I lament that the GM series didn't garner enough mind share to keep it around as a premium compact option within the system (at least for now, who knows down the line), tho I was probably part of the problem as I didn't try one until I could get a GM1 for $350 in the grey market! I think people are too quick to ignore recent GFs and the GX850 tho.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 18:02 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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GinoSVK: Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 (30mm f/3.4) 115g $547.99
Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM (40mm f/2.8) 130g $179.00

The Canon is closer, in both AF speed (since they both use unit focus) and FL, to the cheaper Pana 20/1.7 which is often $280-300. Yeah the Canon is still cheaper but you'd need a much more expensive FF body to go with it unless you go with an older one without some modern conveniences (none will have IBIS mind you).

You could go APS-C and point at the still very attractively priced Canon 24/2.8 pancake, which might've been a better example from the start, tho that ends up being a little over a stop slower in equivalent terms so the price difference is even more of a wash there. So you see, despite trying to boil it down to a single inflammatory fact there's far more nuance to the comparison.

Those pancakes are a nice perk to Canon's lineup tho, specially for an APS-C body otherwise devoid of great wide prime options.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 17:55 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Gimli son of Gloin: Is there a reason to get to consider this combo instead of a ZS100, RX100 or some other pocketable camera?

The mFT cameras became too big and the price tag too high to justify a purchase. On top of that the IQ different between the small sensors are almost indistinguishable and you get more flexibility of the zoom range.

Pricing a mFT lens the same league as a FF lens without their benefits is crazy talk.

That's just me tho... It's subjective obviously. If you don't ever plan to swap lenses much then the value of the ILC is greatly diminished. I appreciate being able to mount a tiny 42.5/1.7 for portraits with good control over DoF which 1" won't get me, or a 7.5/2 UWA, etc.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 17:46 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Gimli son of Gloin: Is there a reason to get to consider this combo instead of a ZS100, RX100 or some other pocketable camera?

The mFT cameras became too big and the price tag too high to justify a purchase. On top of that the IQ different between the small sensors are almost indistinguishable and you get more flexibility of the zoom range.

Pricing a mFT lens the same league as a FF lens without their benefits is crazy talk.

Used GM bodies or something like a GX850 isn't that much larger than a 1" compact (neither is pants pocketable except for maybe the Canon G9 X, either will slip into a jacket) and it's often cheaper, even with the extra cost of a prime (tho maybe not a new PL15, it's MSRP is on the high side).

I wanted a nearly pocketable 1" compact for a while to replace my Pana LF1 but my GM1 has made me forget the for the most part, only one I might ever go is a G9 X if I find one for well under <$400 as it's the only one that might fit comfortably in front pants pockets.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 17:43 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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P@l: The problem with this lens is that Panasonic lags in QA. There are plenty of positive reviews about this lens and people brag about how sharp it is but when I have tried to get one ... actually not once but twice (purchased brand new, factory sealed) both were lemons and I have had them returned. The funny thing is that never had such issues with Olympus lenses ...

http://www.lenstip.com/505.4-Lens_review-Panasonic_Leica_DG_Summilux_12_mm_f_1.4_ASPH_Image_resolution.html
"One thing is sure: it is not an image you would expect from an expensive lens produced by a renowned company. Quality control should have intervened and stop the distribution of the tested specimen." - this is a tester comment on recently released brand new Panasonic Leica DG Summilux 12 mm f/1.4 ASPH that showed decentering issues ...

Happens with every brand, sometimes particularly when a lens is new... Forums are awash with stories of decentered Olympus 12/2s and even 45/1.8s, but you have to go back a few years to spot most, sometimes it seems it takes them a while to get things dialed in production-wise. I guess it's possible Panasonic may be more erratic but it's hardly a situation unique to them overall.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 17:39 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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Marty4650: This is a seriously wonderful lens.

I would own it right now, if I didn't already own a 12mm, 14mm and 17mm lens. That is the whole problem with M4/3. Too many good choices. And they can bankrupt you if you have no self control....

Heh, agreed, I've always been tempted by it but I have the 20/1.7 and 12/2 already... I could maybe see giving up the latter but I'd likely always keep the 20mm pancake, just because it's excellent and a pancake. OTOH I do want something better suited for action/video at ~35mm EFL and the aperture ring would be great with my GM1. Been holding out for something weather sealed and/or faster in that range tho that's likely to make an even bigger hole in my wallet, at least it wouldn't seem quite as redundant next to the 20mm tho.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 17:37 UTC
On article Panasonic Leica DG 15mm F1.7 shooting experience (222 comments in total)
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inorogNL: my next lens, almost inpossible to find second hand here in holland

Try the DJI version, same darn thing. It's kind of weird that Panasonic's agreement with Leica allows them to license the design like that or just outright produce the lens under a different brand.

Link | Posted on Jul 22, 2017 at 17:32 UTC
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