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On article Serious speed: Sony a9 real world samples gallery (557 comments in total)
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RubberDials: It takes 36 SECONDS to clear a full buffer, not 3 minutes.

Max Yurev timed it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztcf_6sp-Kg 4.00 minutes in.

36 Seconds for a full buffer of 241raw at 24mp to clear completely.

No other camera in existence can even shoot 20fps FF raw at 24mp so the result is academic anyway.

If we sort Dxomark list using portrait (which is their score for color depth)

https://www.dxomark.com/best-cameras-for-portrait-under-45200-dollars

We see A7RIII is ranked highest FF camera. They tested A7RII when it only did compressed raw (no uncompressed raw option was available back then)

A9 probably won't score high as A7RII, but I doubt it will be worse than D5 or any Canon camera ever made.

Link | Posted on Apr 29, 2017 at 19:19 UTC
On article Sony a9 shooting experience (1281 comments in total)
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Niko Tod: "continuous electronic modes (anything above 5 fps) do drop the camera into 12-bit readout, so expect less dynamic range than in Single drive mode."

And that would be $4500, ma'am...

Niko Todd, if A9 is crappy because of 12 bits at high fps, then D1x and D5 must be crappier since they have lower DR than 12 bit Sony cameras. So there. Both are more expensive still more crappy than A9.

Link | Posted on Apr 29, 2017 at 19:10 UTC
On article Sony a9 shooting experience (1281 comments in total)
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Niko Tod: "continuous electronic modes (anything above 5 fps) do drop the camera into 12-bit readout, so expect less dynamic range than in Single drive mode."

And that would be $4500, ma'am...

So you agree that 1Dx and D5 are both crappier than A9 and more expensive. That's good to know.

Link | Posted on Apr 29, 2017 at 17:37 UTC
On article Sony a9 shooting experience (1281 comments in total)
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Niko Tod: "continuous electronic modes (anything above 5 fps) do drop the camera into 12-bit readout, so expect less dynamic range than in Single drive mode."

And that would be $4500, ma'am...

Niko Tod, why should you pay $6000 for Nikon D5 when it's DR would be lower than 12 bit A9 which is the cheaper camera?

Go read D5 reviews here and on dxomark. 12 bit A9 will easily beat it.

Link | Posted on Apr 29, 2017 at 16:55 UTC
On article Serious speed: Sony a9 real world samples gallery (557 comments in total)
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RubberDials: It takes 36 SECONDS to clear a full buffer, not 3 minutes.

Max Yurev timed it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztcf_6sp-Kg 4.00 minutes in.

36 Seconds for a full buffer of 241raw at 24mp to clear completely.

No other camera in existence can even shoot 20fps FF raw at 24mp so the result is academic anyway.

NikonFanGuy, funny now you claim DR isn't an issue, even though your fellow fanboy was making an issue of 12 bits on A9 at high fps, which will only affect DR if the sensor is even capable of capturing more than 12 EV at base ISO, and D5 sensor isn't. It's sensor only needs 12 bits. Rest is a waste of bandwidth.

A9 12 bits is very likely will have more DR than D5.

Link | Posted on Apr 29, 2017 at 06:51 UTC
On article Serious speed: Sony a9 real world samples gallery (557 comments in total)
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RubberDials: It takes 36 SECONDS to clear a full buffer, not 3 minutes.

Max Yurev timed it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztcf_6sp-Kg 4.00 minutes in.

36 Seconds for a full buffer of 241raw at 24mp to clear completely.

No other camera in existence can even shoot 20fps FF raw at 24mp so the result is academic anyway.

Nikon Guy, DPreview review of D5 confirms D5 low DR, just as Dxomark reported.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d5-pro-dslr-review/8

Funny how two independent sites with different tests reached the same conclusion?

D5 with low DR doesn't need 14 bits. It just increases file size without adding any more DR as the sensor captures less than 12 EV of DR at the pixel level (remember we are talking about pixel level, not 8 MP normalized size that dxomark scores).

A9 12bits would easily beat 14 bits low DR on D5 as there is no usable data even at base ISO in those extra 2 bits. You need class leading sensor that might need 14 bits, but even then only at base ISO or ISO 200 max.

Link | Posted on Apr 28, 2017 at 19:24 UTC
On article Serious speed: Sony a9 real world samples gallery (557 comments in total)
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RubberDials: It takes 36 SECONDS to clear a full buffer, not 3 minutes.

Max Yurev timed it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztcf_6sp-Kg 4.00 minutes in.

36 Seconds for a full buffer of 241raw at 24mp to clear completely.

No other camera in existence can even shoot 20fps FF raw at 24mp so the result is academic anyway.

You don't live by DXO but you don't even live by math, physics, and science either? Why would you need 16 bits if all the data the sensor is capable of recording can be represented in 14 bits? What will two extra bits add when there is no more data? If you add more bits 18, 20, 22, 24, do you think the image quality will just magically keep getting better even though the sensor can only capture 12 EV of DR? Do you think it is just that simple? just add more bits and image magically gets more DR?

Nikon D5 has low DR even at the base ISO. Why doesn't 14 bits makes D5's DR better since you claim this is all about just bits? Why have all Canon cameras lower DR despite having 2 more bits than Sony's 12 bits cameras?

It's not just Dxomark. Read DPreview for D5 and see the DR that sensor captures. It doesn't need 14 bits, and A9 12 bits is most likely to beat it, easily.

Link | Posted on Apr 28, 2017 at 18:40 UTC
On article Serious speed: Sony a9 real world samples gallery (557 comments in total)
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FOTONOTO: So it drops to 12 bit as long as using e-shutter in continuous mode, no matter how much FPS it's set, even Continuous Lo (5FPS)?

I read that "anything above 5FPS will be 12bit" in the other artical. Is this "5FPS" for Continuous Lo mode in e-shutter, or simply just for mechanical shutter continuous speed?

I forgot to mention that D5 sensor actually ranks very low in DR, and doesn't need 14 bits, even at base ISO. See dxomark. 12 bits A9 is would easily beat 14 bits D5 for DR, as the sensor in D5 has low DR.

Link | Posted on Apr 28, 2017 at 18:16 UTC
On article Serious speed: Sony a9 real world samples gallery (557 comments in total)
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RubberDials: It takes 36 SECONDS to clear a full buffer, not 3 minutes.

Max Yurev timed it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztcf_6sp-Kg 4.00 minutes in.

36 Seconds for a full buffer of 241raw at 24mp to clear completely.

No other camera in existence can even shoot 20fps FF raw at 24mp so the result is academic anyway.

Funny how you changed the topic when I destroyed your argument about 12 bits. Have you nothing to say about that topic now? Sony cameras with 12 bits raws are rated higher than all Canon cameras ever made, and Nikon D5 sensor in particular ranks very low in DR and doesn't need 14 bits. 12 bits A9 will beat it easily.

And we are not talking about ISO 6400. We are talking about base ISO. If it's world class sensor (and D5 doesn't have such a sensor) you might need 14 bits at ISO 200 at best. Above that, last 2 bits have just noise. Given the quality of sensor in D5, even at base ISO all DR D5 captures can be captured in 12 bits. Go look up on Dxomark.

Now what exactly were you bragging about D5 and 14 bits? And A9 dropping to 12 bits? Coma gain?

Link | Posted on Apr 28, 2017 at 18:01 UTC
On article Serious speed: Sony a9 real world samples gallery (557 comments in total)
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RubberDials: It takes 36 SECONDS to clear a full buffer, not 3 minutes.

Max Yurev timed it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztcf_6sp-Kg 4.00 minutes in.

36 Seconds for a full buffer of 241raw at 24mp to clear completely.

No other camera in existence can even shoot 20fps FF raw at 24mp so the result is academic anyway.

Sony cameras with 12 bits are rated higher than all Canon cameras ever made on dxomark

And Nikon D5 particularly has very low DR, so 12 bits A9 is going to beat 14 bit D5 easily, no problem. Hands down. No doubt about it.

Also, if you knew anything about the topic you would know that you need 14 bit (even that is debatable) at base ISO, as ISO goes up (far more likely for sports where a fast shutter is needed), the last 2 bits are only going to be noise, which makes 12 bits better option as file size drops with no change to DR, as DR at pixel level is already lower than 12 EV. Base ISO or at best ISO 200 (if it's superb sensor that neither D5 nor any Canon ever has) ISO 200 might be last ISO that may need 14 bits.

learn something about a topic before spewing nonsense.

Link | Posted on Apr 28, 2017 at 17:43 UTC
On article Serious speed: Sony a9 real world samples gallery (557 comments in total)
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FOTONOTO: So it drops to 12 bit as long as using e-shutter in continuous mode, no matter how much FPS it's set, even Continuous Lo (5FPS)?

I read that "anything above 5FPS will be 12bit" in the other artical. Is this "5FPS" for Continuous Lo mode in e-shutter, or simply just for mechanical shutter continuous speed?

Sony 12 bits cameras still rank higher than all Canon cameras on dxomark. There was huge debate a few years back if you even need more than 12 bits, as there would be just noise in last two bits, but even if you do need more than 12 bits, that would only apply to base ISO or ISO 200 at best, as anything higher and you would only have noise in last 2 bits.

Link | Posted on Apr 28, 2017 at 15:34 UTC
On article Serious speed: Sony a9 real world samples gallery (557 comments in total)
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RubberDials: It takes 36 SECONDS to clear a full buffer, not 3 minutes.

Max Yurev timed it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztcf_6sp-Kg 4.00 minutes in.

36 Seconds for a full buffer of 241raw at 24mp to clear completely.

No other camera in existence can even shoot 20fps FF raw at 24mp so the result is academic anyway.

12 bits is still raw. jpegs are 8 bit, so 12 is a lot more.

Link | Posted on Apr 28, 2017 at 15:15 UTC
On article Alpha-better: Sony a9 versus a7R II (504 comments in total)
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Azimuth46: The real big problem with Sony A9 is not performance but price. Specs are excellent but they are nothing more than specs of an high-level full frame DSLR.

Like a Canon 5Dmk4 or a Nikon D810 to name a few. So the price should be around 3500$ to be competitive, and not 4500$ or even 5300€ as it's in EU. What this camera is capable of is simply what a very good DSRL is already been able of. Just in an EVIL body. Apart from 20fps, which frankly are not so interesting even for sport pro shooters who rarely shoot more than 8fps because they have really short time to review all their footage.

And probably it will sell very well for a very short period of time then it will lose its value just because of what I've said. Time will tell.

For me it seems to be ah hell of a camera but it's truly overpriced.

Funny how you pick and choose selectively and ignore other points where A7RII beats the two cameras. Better DR than 5DRII, better lowlight than both cameras, more resolution, far better video (the other two can't even do 4K, and their HD video is far inferior to A7RII), better lowlight AF on A7RII than D10 according to Rishi, and you were the one who were quoting DPR review remember? According to the review, A7RII scores higher and beats both cameras and is a class leader.

There is no DSLR in its class that matches A7RII. It's the camera to beat for future high-end DSLRs. Far now, it's the leader.

Link | Posted on Apr 27, 2017 at 19:02 UTC
On article Alpha-better: Sony a9 versus a7R II (504 comments in total)
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Azimuth46: The real big problem with Sony A9 is not performance but price. Specs are excellent but they are nothing more than specs of an high-level full frame DSLR.

Like a Canon 5Dmk4 or a Nikon D810 to name a few. So the price should be around 3500$ to be competitive, and not 4500$ or even 5300€ as it's in EU. What this camera is capable of is simply what a very good DSRL is already been able of. Just in an EVIL body. Apart from 20fps, which frankly are not so interesting even for sport pro shooters who rarely shoot more than 8fps because they have really short time to review all their footage.

And probably it will sell very well for a very short period of time then it will lose its value just because of what I've said. Time will tell.

For me it seems to be ah hell of a camera but it's truly overpriced.

D5 also doesn't do 20 fps like A9. Plus no one shoots for 10 seconds straight to fill the buffer. It's usually 1 to 2 seconds. A9 has not been reviewed yet, so let's go back to A7RII. The point still stands though. A7RII ranks higher than both 5DIV and D810 in DPreview. A7RII is the standard that future high end DSLRs need to beat.

A7RII is the class leader, not D810 and 5DIV. A9 is in a different category and has not been reviewed yet.

Link | Posted on Apr 27, 2017 at 16:47 UTC
On article Alpha-better: Sony a9 versus a7R II (504 comments in total)
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Azimuth46: The real big problem with Sony A9 is not performance but price. Specs are excellent but they are nothing more than specs of an high-level full frame DSLR.

Like a Canon 5Dmk4 or a Nikon D810 to name a few. So the price should be around 3500$ to be competitive, and not 4500$ or even 5300€ as it's in EU. What this camera is capable of is simply what a very good DSRL is already been able of. Just in an EVIL body. Apart from 20fps, which frankly are not so interesting even for sport pro shooters who rarely shoot more than 8fps because they have really short time to review all their footage.

And probably it will sell very well for a very short period of time then it will lose its value just because of what I've said. Time will tell.

For me it seems to be ah hell of a camera but it's truly overpriced.

A7RII is in same review category as D810 and 5DII. A7RII scores 90 (leader in that category) D810 scores 86, and 5DIV scores 87. A7RII is already the standard that future FF DSLRs in that category need to beat.

So the question still remains when aren't you comparing A7RII to these DSLRs when it already beats them and is best in its class.

Link | Posted on Apr 27, 2017 at 15:58 UTC
On article Alpha-better: Sony a9 versus a7R II (504 comments in total)
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Azimuth46: The real big problem with Sony A9 is not performance but price. Specs are excellent but they are nothing more than specs of an high-level full frame DSLR.

Like a Canon 5Dmk4 or a Nikon D810 to name a few. So the price should be around 3500$ to be competitive, and not 4500$ or even 5300€ as it's in EU. What this camera is capable of is simply what a very good DSRL is already been able of. Just in an EVIL body. Apart from 20fps, which frankly are not so interesting even for sport pro shooters who rarely shoot more than 8fps because they have really short time to review all their footage.

And probably it will sell very well for a very short period of time then it will lose its value just because of what I've said. Time will tell.

For me it seems to be ah hell of a camera but it's truly overpriced.

DPR has a a lot of criticism of 1DX AF tracking. Are you claiming the lower end Canon has better AF than their flagship camera? See Rishi's youtube video on low light AF on A7RII where in the end they use D810. Rishi claims D810 lowlight AF is worse. You seem to be very quick in picking critical comments on A7RII in reviews but don't don't seem to care about critical comments on what you claim are "flagship DSLRs."

Didn't A7Rii overall score higher than both of these cameras in DPReview?

A7RII has a better sensor, way better video, more AF points that cover more of the sensor, silent shutter mode, etc etc. That's the camera that you need to compare to 5dIV and D810, and A7Rii beats them in most cases. Scores higher in DPReview.

Why are you comparing A9 to these cameras when A7Rii already beatees them?

Link | Posted on Apr 27, 2017 at 15:42 UTC
On article Alpha-better: Sony a9 versus a7R II (504 comments in total)
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Azimuth46: The real big problem with Sony A9 is not performance but price. Specs are excellent but they are nothing more than specs of an high-level full frame DSLR.

Like a Canon 5Dmk4 or a Nikon D810 to name a few. So the price should be around 3500$ to be competitive, and not 4500$ or even 5300€ as it's in EU. What this camera is capable of is simply what a very good DSRL is already been able of. Just in an EVIL body. Apart from 20fps, which frankly are not so interesting even for sport pro shooters who rarely shoot more than 8fps because they have really short time to review all their footage.

And probably it will sell very well for a very short period of time then it will lose its value just because of what I've said. Time will tell.

For me it seems to be ah hell of a camera but it's truly overpriced.

"Sony α7R2 is just a very high MP FF mirrorless camera with a very good sensor (because of BSI tech)."

Just high MP camera? What does that mean? A7RII video blows the crap of D810 and 5D Mark IV. It has also ver good AF. Read the DPRreview. The lowlight AF is better than D810 according to DPRreview. See Rish video on that. The sensor is better too.

You still haven't explained why you are comparing A9 to D810 and 5D IV and not A7RII which is already a better camera than both.

A9 is marketed as a faster camera than D5 and 1Dx. A7rII already beats D810 and 5DIVx

Link | Posted on Apr 27, 2017 at 15:00 UTC
On article Alpha-better: Sony a9 versus a7R II (504 comments in total)
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Edmond Leung: If Sony is lucky, we may see two or three Sony cameras in the next Olympic Game.

There were far more Sony video cameras in 2016 Rio Olympics than that

https://blog.sony.com/press/nbc-olympics-selects-sony-to-provide-broadcast-and-production-equipment-for-its-coverage-of-the-2016-olympic-games-in-rio/

"NBC Olympics crews will use more than 100 Sony cameras to capture footage at event venues and record athlete arrivals, interviews, press conferences and other assignments that require studio and portable recording and capture. NBC Olympics will also use Sony’s HDC-4300 4K high frame rate camera system for HD replays and the PWS-4500 XAVC server to capture and store high speed HD content from the HDC-4300."

Link | Posted on Apr 27, 2017 at 10:29 UTC
On article Alpha-better: Sony a9 versus a7R II (504 comments in total)
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Azimuth46: The real big problem with Sony A9 is not performance but price. Specs are excellent but they are nothing more than specs of an high-level full frame DSLR.

Like a Canon 5Dmk4 or a Nikon D810 to name a few. So the price should be around 3500$ to be competitive, and not 4500$ or even 5300€ as it's in EU. What this camera is capable of is simply what a very good DSRL is already been able of. Just in an EVIL body. Apart from 20fps, which frankly are not so interesting even for sport pro shooters who rarely shoot more than 8fps because they have really short time to review all their footage.

And probably it will sell very well for a very short period of time then it will lose its value just because of what I've said. Time will tell.

For me it seems to be ah hell of a camera but it's truly overpriced.

Azimuth46, why aren't you comparing A7RII with Canon 5Dmk4 and Nikon D810? A7RII has a better sensor (dxomark, more resolution), and far better video than both of these cameras.

A9 is high-speed sports camera (at least that's what Sony claims) that supposedly competes against D5 and 1Dx, something the reviewers will have to test. Both these cameras are more expensive than A9.

Link | Posted on Apr 27, 2017 at 03:03 UTC
On article Alpha-better: Sony a9 versus a7R II (504 comments in total)
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rev32: I'm interested. One point to bring out: It is only 20 fps in certain specific situations. Uncompressed raw for instance is 12 fps. Darn fast, but not 20 fps. Folks might get the wrong impression unless they go to the Sony website and read the footnotes.

More importantly, pro sports and news shooters are shooting jpegs. They send thousands of images to editors either live or within a short time frame so images can be selected and published right away. There is no time or bandwidth for raw.

Link | Posted on Apr 26, 2017 at 15:18 UTC
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