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Paul B Jones: I had a thought today (happens sometimes) and that is that the more diversified a company is, the more likely it is to abruptly drop its camera component if profits falter there. That makes Sony and Canon as likely candidates as any to say goodbye to cameras, and Nikon less likely to bail. Highly diversified Samsung was building great cameras, but wasn't making money off them - so bye-bye.

Fujica, it's not a separate division. All of them (pro video, stills) merged as one called Imaging division a few years ago, and no Sony has not lost money in Imaging division for several years. Look it up. They did lose money on sensors, even last year or a year before they lost money in Devices division, and sensors were part of that division.

Link | Posted on Apr 23, 2017 at 19:35 UTC
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Paul B Jones: I had a thought today (happens sometimes) and that is that the more diversified a company is, the more likely it is to abruptly drop its camera component if profits falter there. That makes Sony and Canon as likely candidates as any to say goodbye to cameras, and Nikon less likely to bail. Highly diversified Samsung was building great cameras, but wasn't making money off them - so bye-bye.

Still cameras are an integral part of pro imaging division as video and stills are integrating, all the way down to sensors and imaging processors, both use same parts. There is no separation. That's one of the reasons these cameras aren't disappearing in your lifetime. The whole division has been profitable (unlike sensor where they have lost money several times).

Link | Posted on Apr 23, 2017 at 17:57 UTC
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Paul B Jones: I had a thought today (happens sometimes) and that is that the more diversified a company is, the more likely it is to abruptly drop its camera component if profits falter there. That makes Sony and Canon as likely candidates as any to say goodbye to cameras, and Nikon less likely to bail. Highly diversified Samsung was building great cameras, but wasn't making money off them - so bye-bye.

Sony Digital Imaging includes all the pro gear they make for Holywood and broadcast industry. It's a core part of their business. Plus it's been profitable for last 5 years. It's not going anywhere in your lifetime.

Devices division (sensors were part of that division) did lose money a few times last 5 years, but Imaging division did not.

Link | Posted on Apr 23, 2017 at 17:18 UTC
On article The Sony a9 is a 24MP sports-shooting powerhouse (1835 comments in total)
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falconeyes: > The new α9 also supports uncompressed 14-bit RAW, ensuring users can get the most out of the wide dynamic range of the sensor.

Still no lossless compressed raw.

falconeyes, is no one using D810 and K1 in studio with this technique as both do 5 fps, same as A9. A9 can do 20 fps where flash isn't used, something the other two cameras can't do.

Link | Posted on Apr 23, 2017 at 16:31 UTC
On article Sony a9 first look videos (287 comments in total)
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AdrianPocea: I just bought my Canon 5D Mark 4 and my gh5 recently for the same price as a Sony A9 with a battery grip . Both have great battery life , dual card slots and while Sony must be a great camera at least on paper because nobody tried it yet there is no way that this camera would be better than my both bodies combined that I have right now , which are pretty much at the top of the food chain in photography and videography so happy buying group Sony

On the other hand, I would rather carry one small camera than two large cameras everywhere I go. Even then, I am pretty sure lowlight video on A9 beats both cameras.

Link | Posted on Apr 21, 2017 at 18:19 UTC
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walgarch: Seriously guys, how long have people been saying Pentax is doomed? We're at 'the boy who cried wolf' levels now. The camera market has been a mess for years now, and Pentax has stuck around. I'm really not sure what kind of proof you guys need anymore lol

You can still post there, or email admins Simon Joinson

Link | Posted on Apr 21, 2017 at 13:02 UTC
On article The Sony a9 is a 24MP sports-shooting powerhouse (1835 comments in total)
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Biowizard: CIPA Battery Life of 650; max 20 FPS shooting rate ... Yikes! I could drain that battery flat in 32.5 seconds! Wonder how warm it would get?!

Brian

Nomoreheroes

https://twitter.com/dpreview/status/855156759446638593

Link | Posted on Apr 21, 2017 at 04:49 UTC
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walgarch: Seriously guys, how long have people been saying Pentax is doomed? We're at 'the boy who cried wolf' levels now. The camera market has been a mess for years now, and Pentax has stuck around. I'm really not sure what kind of proof you guys need anymore lol

You can always report Mako to DPR admins. Use feedback forum to complain

Link | Posted on Apr 21, 2017 at 04:48 UTC
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KyleSlamchez: Okay, hold the phone! The actual full specifications state that it only shoots 5fps with the physical shutter. Five frames per second!

The Nikon D5 shoots 12fps. The Canon 1DX II shoots 14fps!

I thought something was goofy. This is looking more and more like just an a7s ii with dual card slots, a larger buffer, and less resolution.

https://twitter.com/dpreview/status/855078961193385984

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 18:20 UTC
On article The Sony a9 is a 24MP sports-shooting powerhouse (1835 comments in total)
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Biowizard: CIPA Battery Life of 650; max 20 FPS shooting rate ... Yikes! I could drain that battery flat in 32.5 seconds! Wonder how warm it would get?!

Brian

https://twitter.com/tonynorthrup/status/855103932716244992

"Sony a9 battery life: 2 hours of shooting, 4500 shots, 66% battery left "

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 17:04 UTC
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KyleSlamchez: Okay, hold the phone! The actual full specifications state that it only shoots 5fps with the physical shutter. Five frames per second!

The Nikon D5 shoots 12fps. The Canon 1DX II shoots 14fps!

I thought something was goofy. This is looking more and more like just an a7s ii with dual card slots, a larger buffer, and less resolution.

"I'd much rather have 12-14fps with full image quality than 20fps with significant limitation"

However, Sony claims the image quality with electronic shutter is identical to physical shutter. Physical shutter is optional for things like flash photography.

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 16:47 UTC
On article The Sony a9 is a 24MP sports-shooting powerhouse (1835 comments in total)
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Biowizard: CIPA Battery Life of 650; max 20 FPS shooting rate ... Yikes! I could drain that battery flat in 32.5 seconds! Wonder how warm it would get?!

Brian

Deliverator, the grip would double the battery life also.

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 16:44 UTC
On article Sony a9 first look videos (287 comments in total)
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PhotoKhan: As a Canon user, I simply cannot understand the few criticisms that are thrown around in these comments. The specifications are a complete blast. Period.

If the camera lives on to those specs is something to be ascertained and commented when the testing is done. For the moment, any criticism reads like "sour grapes", really.

How can the MP count be brought along when the competition maxes at 19 and 21MP?

How can anything be said about the AF specifications, when almost full coverage of a scene is offered, something that anyone who has ever done a modicum of action photography, be it Nature or Sports, knows exactly how important it is.

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Sony has not lost money on their camera business for last 5 years. Ricoh, however, has lost money (a lot of money) on cameras according to last week report.

Sony has sold 10 times more A7RII than Ricoh sold K1 for double the price (see Flickr stats) and they won't have any problem finding some professionals and enthusiasts who will buy A9 for $4.5K. No problem whatsoever.

There are plenty of people lined up for preorders this Friday.

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 14:30 UTC
On article The Sony a9 is a 24MP sports-shooting powerhouse (1835 comments in total)
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Biowizard: CIPA Battery Life of 650; max 20 FPS shooting rate ... Yikes! I could drain that battery flat in 32.5 seconds! Wonder how warm it would get?!

Brian

CIPA Battery Life of 650. CIPA isn't shooting in burst mode. In burst mode, you can take several thousand images. Learn what CIPA standards is before posting comments making yourself look like an idiot.

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 13:44 UTC
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KyleSlamchez: Okay, hold the phone! The actual full specifications state that it only shoots 5fps with the physical shutter. Five frames per second!

The Nikon D5 shoots 12fps. The Canon 1DX II shoots 14fps!

I thought something was goofy. This is looking more and more like just an a7s ii with dual card slots, a larger buffer, and less resolution.

Jonny1976, a6300 tracks way better than your Pentax (read DPReview) and this camera is going to track better than A6300. d1x tracking isn't as good as d5

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 13:27 UTC
On article The Sony a9 is a 24MP sports-shooting powerhouse (1835 comments in total)
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Triplet Perar: Folks seem to forget the history of photography. 35mm photography used film from *35mm movie cameras* to create a visual art and expression distinguished from movies. It is called the still picture, NOT the moving picture. Now Sony wants to undo the history, and throw us back into pure movie cameras business, because that was their intent all along, to turn the photography market into video market, a strategy of which they bragged about.
Those 20 fps in A9 is "just 4 fps short" of movie mode — now, does Sony think users are that stupid not to see what they do by deliberate design? They cut off at 20, just to have some guts to call this a 'photography camera', and not what it REALLY is. But prudence calls to call spade a spade, and this camera IS a movie camera, pretending to be a 'photography camera'.

Also, let's not forget the camera is shooting full resolution 24 MP 14-bit raw at 20 fps on FF sensor with AF

I am not aware of any video camera (not even $50K Red) that can match that. First Red's sensor is smaller (not FF) and second no AF.

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 06:14 UTC
On article The Sony a9 is a 24MP sports-shooting powerhouse (1835 comments in total)
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Triplet Perar: Folks seem to forget the history of photography. 35mm photography used film from *35mm movie cameras* to create a visual art and expression distinguished from movies. It is called the still picture, NOT the moving picture. Now Sony wants to undo the history, and throw us back into pure movie cameras business, because that was their intent all along, to turn the photography market into video market, a strategy of which they bragged about.
Those 20 fps in A9 is "just 4 fps short" of movie mode — now, does Sony think users are that stupid not to see what they do by deliberate design? They cut off at 20, just to have some guts to call this a 'photography camera', and not what it REALLY is. But prudence calls to call spade a spade, and this camera IS a movie camera, pretending to be a 'photography camera'.

It does 20 fps probably because that's AF limitation. The sensor can read faster than 20 fps. We know the sensor can do at least 30 fps, as it downsamples 6K video into 4K. Sony would probably use the same sensor in bigger camcorder like FS7 body with full potential.

However, that doesn't mean it's not a "still" camera. All CMOS sensors can do video. Does that mean none of them are still cameras? It has ergonomics of a still camera. It uses native E-mount lenses with AF. That isn't a camcorder.

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 05:45 UTC
On article Sony a9 first look videos (287 comments in total)
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Triplet Perar: This is a video camera. RED could have done the same, and give us a 75 fps 'photography camera' in 8K. Sony have installed the mechanical shutter in A9 only to pretend this fully equipped video device, which needs no mechanical shutter to operate, built for video and the video enthusiasts ... is also a 'photography tool'. I mean, Sony even admitted this several years ago, that they wish to kill photography and substitute it with hi-res video.

Three things.

(1) Red costs $40K
(2) Red cannot AF. It's manual focus camcorder. This camera potentially, at least what Sony claims, has AF that can match professional still cameras like D5 and 1Dx.
(3) Red uses either Canon or PL lenses (with no AF). This camera has native still E-mount lenses with AF.

This camera is marketed as a sports still camera, not as a video camera. Video cameras have different ergonomics and are much larger and heavier and are shoulder mounted, usually.

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 02:40 UTC
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KyleSlamchez: Okay, hold the phone! The actual full specifications state that it only shoots 5fps with the physical shutter. Five frames per second!

The Nikon D5 shoots 12fps. The Canon 1DX II shoots 14fps!

I thought something was goofy. This is looking more and more like just an a7s ii with dual card slots, a larger buffer, and less resolution.

OMD sensor is 4 times smaller than this camera. That's huge difference. It's like comparing IPhone to OMD

Link | Posted on Apr 20, 2017 at 01:11 UTC
On article The Sony a9 is a 24MP sports-shooting powerhouse (1835 comments in total)
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sirhawkeye64: On paper, with the exception of a few specs, it looks very similar to most other DSLRs out there from Nikon and Canon, but with a bigger price tag. As usual, sample images will tell the truth on this camera, whether it really is a $4500 camera or not.

You talk a lot, but you failed to list FF DSLRs that does 4K without lie skipping and pixel binning, let alone other features I mentioned. Are you going to list these DSLRs or are you going to just bark?

A9 doesn't shoot 6k. I said 4K footage is downsampled from 6K without skipping pixels. Oversampled 4K means a sharper image with real 4K resolution.

And you say "But much of the other features are almost on part with the highest end DSLRs."

And how much do these highest end DSLRs cost? You again are not listing these DSLRs.

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Link | Posted on Apr 19, 2017 at 20:02 UTC
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