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IdM photography: Times are difficult if you need to invest today in a new system...
Will you choose to buy a DSLR, knowing that the future is mirrorless (with advantages related to size, weight and better lenses...)?
Or will you buy Sony Mirrorless, with a current range of lenses that may not cover your needs?
I think that Sony caught Canon and Nikon by surprise, with such a capable mirrorless camera... Neither Canon nor Nikon are producing any FF mirrorless camera...

IdM photography, all Canon EF lenses only need electronic contacts for the aperture control and autofocus. They don't need mechanical levers in the mounting mechanism. Not all Nikon lenses have that.

EF mount was introduced in 1987. Nikon F mount is much older.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 14:38 UTC
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IdM photography: Times are difficult if you need to invest today in a new system...
Will you choose to buy a DSLR, knowing that the future is mirrorless (with advantages related to size, weight and better lenses...)?
Or will you buy Sony Mirrorless, with a current range of lenses that may not cover your needs?
I think that Sony caught Canon and Nikon by surprise, with such a capable mirrorless camera... Neither Canon nor Nikon are producing any FF mirrorless camera...

What lenses have you tested that don't work properly? On A7RII some lenses were even faster than on Canon cameras. A9 should be better. Is it 10 fps with Canon lenses? If so, that's still fast. Does it do 20 fps with Canon lenses with AF fixed on the first shot?

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 11:23 UTC
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IdM photography: Times are difficult if you need to invest today in a new system...
Will you choose to buy a DSLR, knowing that the future is mirrorless (with advantages related to size, weight and better lenses...)?
Or will you buy Sony Mirrorless, with a current range of lenses that may not cover your needs?
I think that Sony caught Canon and Nikon by surprise, with such a capable mirrorless camera... Neither Canon nor Nikon are producing any FF mirrorless camera...

Let's not forget all Cannon lenses work on E-mount cameras, including AF. So A9 has its native lenses, plus A-mount lenses, plus Canon lenses.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 10:06 UTC
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Triplet Perar: On DPR was published a rumour that Ricoh is thinking into shutting down camera business "because of the losses". DPR published Ricoh's reply too, but went no extra mile, no extra 20 articles to dig more, see what is going on, because, imagine!, DPR may fear they may loose some valuable audience? Does DPR care about users of Ricoh's and Pentax cameras that come to DPR?

But there is TONS of coverage about one camera from one manufacturer. How disproportionate is that — care about one single product vs the future of an entire manufacturer and majority of their products?

That is one example I used to state DPR lost balance and reporter's cool. So instead of DPR, users of Ricoh Imaging's equipment must dig more, investigate what is the truth. In Ricoh's latest annual report, camera business division marked increase of sales (!) in fact. And, Ricoh is to repurpose some compact cams plants, and that is shown as cost, of course. How that squares with words in rumours? Who cares for truth?

"Triplet Perar: Are you OK"

Was he ever? He has been this way for past 10 years since I have seen him around. You should read some of his K01 comments. An amazing camera according to him which was the only profitable mirrorless camera because people at Ricoh are genius. They didn't invest in new mount and made tons of money by doing no R&D by being geniuses. All other fools (like Sony and M4/3) lost money, said Triplet Perar. He said that. A dozen times. He was using a different username back then.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 01:59 UTC
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Triplet Perar: On DPR was published a rumour that Ricoh is thinking into shutting down camera business "because of the losses". DPR published Ricoh's reply too, but went no extra mile, no extra 20 articles to dig more, see what is going on, because, imagine!, DPR may fear they may loose some valuable audience? Does DPR care about users of Ricoh's and Pentax cameras that come to DPR?

But there is TONS of coverage about one camera from one manufacturer. How disproportionate is that — care about one single product vs the future of an entire manufacturer and majority of their products?

That is one example I used to state DPR lost balance and reporter's cool. So instead of DPR, users of Ricoh Imaging's equipment must dig more, investigate what is the truth. In Ricoh's latest annual report, camera business division marked increase of sales (!) in fact. And, Ricoh is to repurpose some compact cams plants, and that is shown as cost, of course. How that squares with words in rumours? Who cares for truth?

For anyone who doesn't know, Triplet Perar is a long time Pentax fanboy with various IDs over the years. He thinks a rumor about Ricoh shutting down their camera business and a major flagship FF camera with new features (first mirrorless cameras to compete against Pro sports DSLRs) both should have an equal amount of articles. Weird

Triplet Perar, why be so jealous? Don't worry. Ricoh will release a camera with good AF in 2117 :)

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 00:37 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

You were the one trolling but I just destroyed you with facts and science. Dxomark. Go look it up.

D5 worse DR than APSC

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 00:27 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

D5 lower image quality and no 20 fps. Stop ignoring the fact. even apsc cameras have more DR than d5

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 00:13 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

no facts? I gave you facts. Go look up dxomark D5 has worse DR than all Sony 12 bit cameras (worse even than Sony's APSC cameras).

D5 no 20 fps. Fact 1
D5 worse than 12 bit DR. Fact 2

D5 = meaningless, conclusion

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 23:50 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

And you aren't for claiming 20 fps is "meaningless" even though I can shoot a whole 10 seconds 100-meter race on it, and keep shooting even after the buffer is full? D5 can't do 20 fps. You are the definition of a retarded moron.

You are whining about 12 bits on A9, but D5's DR is worse than 12 bit cameras. You are dumber than a stack of stones. That's worse than retarded.

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 23:29 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

oh yes, and I am using D5 here in USA and guess what? Its meaningless camera, just as I told you. No 20 fps and worse than 12 bits image quality. So there.

A9 that I am using here in USA destroys it. Now what?

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 22:59 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

"Then you are meaningless. I dont see your point for this conversation."

of course, you don't see the point anymore, after I destroyed your argument ;)

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 22:47 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

"It is meaningless since it has slower buffer speed and that's the biggest issue."

Even if buffer clearing is slower that doesn't make it "meaningless" as a person can shoot for 10 seconds straight which is a very long time, and they can shoot even if the buffer isn't fully cleared.

You know what's meaningless? D5 as it can't even do 20 fps so that makes it meaningless plus the image quality is worse than 12 bits. Double meaningless. So here.

D5 = meaningless

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 20:22 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

"I said buffering is slower than Canon and Nikon."

Yes, buffering is slower than Nikon, but 20 fps is not "meaningless". D5 can't do 20 fps anyway

"You dont even have clues about buffer speed for a9"

I do, that doesn't make 20 fps "meaningless" especially if you can shoot full 100meter race with it

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 20:03 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

"D5s may have a better sensor."

There is no D5s coming for next 3 or 4 years, as D5 was just released.

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 19:57 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

" Then do they need to wait while subjects are moving? "

No, they don't need to wait. They can still shoot while the buffering is clearing.

"20 FPS is meaningless with 12 bit."

You still repeating that idiotic claim even though you know that D5 14-bit has lower DR than 12 bit Sony cameras. All D5 fps are meaningless in that case.

D5 can't even do 20 fps

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 19:55 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

"Still it is limited compare to 14 bit."

Why would that be when D5 sensor captures data that can be represented with less than 12 bits? Did you see D5 review? D5 is limited as it's sensor most likely will have less DR than 12 bit A9.

By the way, now you are changing your tone. You started with extremely exaggerated and idiotic claim that 20 fps is "meaningless" because the buffer takes 36 seconds to clear, even though the buffer is large enough for an entire 100-meter race, and the person doesn't need to wait 36 seconds before they can shoot again. They can still shoot while the buffer isn't fully cleared.

Neither D5 (with lower image quality despite being 14 bits) nor Canon can do 20 fps

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 19:42 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

Are you back to 14 bit vs 12 bit topic? 12 bits Sony cameras score higher than all Canon cameras ever made and higher than Nikon D5 on dxomark. Nikon D5 sensor especially has low DR and it doesn't even need 14 bits. See dxomark. A9 12 bit will easy beat it. D5 sensor has pathetic DR. See D5 review on DPRrevew

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d5-pro-dslr-review/8

As for buffer, read again what I said. No one shoots 10 seconds straight, and even if they do, they can still shoot while the buffer isn't fully cleared. It's not as if they can't shoot at all for 36 seconds.

In either case, your statement that 20 fps is meaningless because of buffer was idiotic. It obviously isn't "meaningless " if you can shoot an entire 100-meter race without filling the buffer. If that's your definition of "meaningless" then you have serious mental issues.

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 18:49 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

Sunshine7913, 20 fps is not meaningless. You need to shoot 10 seconds continuously to fill up 200+ buffer. That's Usain bolts entire 100 meters run from start to finish. Who shoots like that? If you are shooting last 5 seconds of that race or shooting a batsman hitting a ball, or 99% of other crucial moments, you don't need to shoot continuously for 10 seconds.

20 fps means there is a better chance of getting a perfect shot than with 14 fps. Twenty fps isn't "meaningless" just because buffer takes 36 seconds to clear. Also, you can still shoot if the buffer isn't fully cleared. So it's not as if you need to wait 36 seconds. You just can't go to menu or switch to video while clearing buffer, but you can still shoot earlier than 36 seconds.

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 18:37 UTC
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Sunshine7913: The buffer is quite slow for press or sport uses. 36 sec to clear out? D5 takes only 5~10 sec to clear out all images with XQD.

PWPhotography, the body is the way it is because Sony probably are planning to use the same body to release high MP (60 or 70 MP) A9R in future. They save a lot of money in R&D and reuse parts when they release a new camera with this body next year

Link | Posted on May 2, 2017 at 18:24 UTC
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RubberDials: It takes 36 SECONDS to clear a full buffer, not 3 minutes.

Max Yurev timed it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztcf_6sp-Kg 4.00 minutes in.

36 Seconds for a full buffer of 241raw at 24mp to clear completely.

No other camera in existence can even shoot 20fps FF raw at 24mp so the result is academic anyway.

By sports, Dxomark just means high ISO performance, and D800e might be better at high ISO than D5 when both are normalized to the same size (8 MP).

You are wrong about bit depth and EV. Read up Rishi post on this topic here (Google search).

No lenses available? 70-200 F2.8 is a perfect lens for indoor sports.

No WR? Plenty of people have used A7 cameras in rain and they survive just fine. Here is proof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7hvJTGW4BA

All this is changing the topic though. Your original point was A9 drops to 12 bits at high fps, but as I explained, 12 bits Sony cameras are rated higher than Canon and Nikon D5 both for DR and color depth. Also, you need 14 bits only at base ISO on class leading sensor (d5 has no such sensor, it's optimized for speed, not image quality). When shooting anything over base ISO, then last 2 bits will only have noise, not usable data.

Link | Posted on Apr 30, 2017 at 07:26 UTC
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