sankos

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On article DPReview TV: 2019 New Year's Resolutions (255 comments in total)

Should Ricoh/Pentax keep doing whatever they're doing? What sayst thou?

Link | Posted on Dec 26, 2019 at 16:57 UTC as 81st comment
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SteveAnderson: Incredible how noticeable the change in skin colour quality is when the gallery switched from Sony to Canon.

Really a big deal. Do not buy an a6500 or earlier camera for portraits is the message I see here. It is obviously a very good camera for most everything else though.

@ SteveAnderson: you can re-compile a Canon DCP profile so that it works with your Sony/Nikon files with something like dcpTool or DCamProf. But I'd imagine that when you develop your raw files, you also want to imprint your own look on your photos, rather than just stick to somebody else's design -- you can use the HSL or Tone Curve to tweak your colours the way you like them, or make your own camera profile in something like Lumariver Profile Designer.

Link | Posted on Dec 13, 2019 at 10:12 UTC
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SteveAnderson: Incredible how noticeable the change in skin colour quality is when the gallery switched from Sony to Canon.

Really a big deal. Do not buy an a6500 or earlier camera for portraits is the message I see here. It is obviously a very good camera for most everything else though.

What you see in the Sample Gallery is not Canon vs Sony colours but rather Adobe colours for Canon and Sony, as developed by DPR. You can develop the Sony raw files so that they have very similar skin tones to Canon, if that's your intention. See here:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63385389

Link | Posted on Dec 12, 2019 at 10:48 UTC
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sankos: I don't seem to be able to choose the lens profile like I used to. Before, I could choose between the Manufacturer's profile (if the raw file had an embedded one) and their own custom lens profile if it existed. Now I don't have access to the menu item.

I like the new Color Editor Basic, the Whites/Blacks sliders and the improved NR -- all nice additions, though I expected they'd introduce something more.

@ Class A: yes. C1 is more powerful in this respect because you get the local hue manipulation, as well as the Uniformity effect -- cool stuff.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2019 at 09:42 UTC
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sankos: I don't seem to be able to choose the lens profile like I used to. Before, I could choose between the Manufacturer's profile (if the raw file had an embedded one) and their own custom lens profile if it existed. Now I don't have access to the menu item.

I like the new Color Editor Basic, the Whites/Blacks sliders and the improved NR -- all nice additions, though I expected they'd introduce something more.

@graybalanced: the Range Mask option allows you to select a given range of colours and you can modify the saturation and the exposure values of them but when it comes to the hue component of a given colour you can modify it only with the WB sliders and the Color Effect overlay -- I don't think this gives you the same kind of power as the Hue sliders in the HSL module.

Link | Posted on Dec 6, 2019 at 09:28 UTC
On a photo in the Nikon Z50 review sample gallery sample gallery (3 comments in total)

Looks like the Adobe Camera Standard profile is pretty similar to the OOC jpeg.

Link | Posted on Dec 5, 2019 at 15:42 UTC as 2nd comment | 1 reply
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sankos: I don't seem to be able to choose the lens profile like I used to. Before, I could choose between the Manufacturer's profile (if the raw file had an embedded one) and their own custom lens profile if it existed. Now I don't have access to the menu item.

I like the new Color Editor Basic, the Whites/Blacks sliders and the improved NR -- all nice additions, though I expected they'd introduce something more.

The HSL module in Lr is more limited because you cannot modify the 8 arbitrary colour ranges to narrow down the colour selection. In C1, even the Basic tab of Color Editor allows you to customize the colour ranges, but the Advanced and the Skin tabs take it even further for ultimate precision. I don't remember how On1 or Exposure deal with the problem, but DxO PhotoLab 3 copied the C1 approach in its new HSL module, and it's now almost as powerful. RawTherapee and darktable also have very powerful colour modules, so Adobe (and those who imitate it) are lagging in this respect.

Link | Posted on Dec 5, 2019 at 13:15 UTC

I don't seem to be able to choose the lens profile like I used to. Before, I could choose between the Manufacturer's profile (if the raw file had an embedded one) and their own custom lens profile if it existed. Now I don't have access to the menu item.

I like the new Color Editor Basic, the Whites/Blacks sliders and the improved NR -- all nice additions, though I expected they'd introduce something more.

Link | Posted on Dec 5, 2019 at 09:36 UTC as 14th comment | 7 replies
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Horshack: "It's not the best in its class in any particular respect: the Sony a6400's autofocus is better, the Fujifilm X-T30's video is superior, as is its lens range, while the Nikon Z50 arguably has nicer ergonomics. But the M6 II is competitive across the board and, above all, is engaging and enjoyable to shoot with."

With its 32.5MP sensor and competitive noise performance I would say the M6 Mark II is the best in class for image quality.

Optyczne.pl discovered the M6 II uses AA filter, while the Fuji and the Sony don't -- the resolution gain for the Canon is moot.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.optyczne.pl%2F434.4-Test_aparatu-Canon_EOS_M6_Mark_II_Rozdzielczo%25C5%259B%25C4%2587.html

Link | Posted on Nov 26, 2019 at 10:42 UTC
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sankos: No OSS on these bodies, so who has the biggest number of small, stabilized primes for a compact kit?

That's what I thought. When people use phrases like "the most complete lens line-up" it tends to end the discussion, but the question is more nuanced than that.

Link | Posted on Nov 23, 2019 at 13:14 UTC
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sankos: Ergonomically, the no-grip X-T30 would take the last spot for me (also the Q button and the joystick get in the way rather than help). Image quality: the M6II resolution advantage is compromised by the AA filter, so it's really comparable to the 24/26MP cameras, and the DR is half a stop worse at base ISO. Personally, the Fuji's X-Trans and higher base ISO are turn-offs as well. Fuji lenses: I don't see many stabilized primes in the line-up, so what's up with that?

Sure you can add those grips to any camera to improve how it feels in your hand but when the DPR TV guys compared ergonomics they were talking about the body design and failed to mention the question of grip in all four bodies. They just said Nikon has the best grip and the Fuji is the most fun to use, but they conveniently omitted the question of its small grip because it would affect their convenient ranking.

Link | Posted on Nov 23, 2019 at 13:10 UTC

No OSS on these bodies, so who has the biggest number of small, stabilized primes for a compact kit?

Link | Posted on Nov 23, 2019 at 12:36 UTC as 90th comment | 4 replies

Ergonomically, the no-grip X-T30 would take the last spot for me (also the Q button and the joystick get in the way rather than help). Image quality: the M6II resolution advantage is compromised by the AA filter, so it's really comparable to the 24/26MP cameras, and the DR is half a stop worse at base ISO. Personally, the Fuji's X-Trans and higher base ISO are turn-offs as well. Fuji lenses: I don't see many stabilized primes in the line-up, so what's up with that?

Link | Posted on Nov 23, 2019 at 11:48 UTC as 96th comment | 7 replies

When talking about ergonomics, I'd pick Nikon Z 50 over Canon M6 II over Sony a6400 over Fuji X-T30. For me, one-handed operation is a priority with this kind of small body, that's why Nikon and Canon are better in this respect. I can work with the Sony (Aperture mode), but the Fuji is a no-go in this respect (it would slip out of my hand on via ferrata, or I'd fall into precipice trying to change the aperture with my second hand). Sony should add a front dial and position it ergonomically, like on Pentax or Nikon bodies.

Link | Posted on Nov 15, 2019 at 12:47 UTC as 45th comment

Good to see this reported by DPR. Kudos to the darktable developers -- it always astonishes me how much work they put to keep improving the program.

Link | Posted on Nov 5, 2019 at 20:23 UTC as 17th comment
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sankos: I downloaded a couple of jpg/dng pairs and imported them to Lr. You can get better NR and sharpening with the dng file but highlight recovery/reconstruction cannot match the jpeg. It's like with my old Lumia 1020 -- shooting raw doesn't get you the same kind of advantage that you get with regular cameras.

Concerning colours -- it looks like there might be a bug with the embedded DNG camera profile used by GCam 7.1: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63240289
It is really weird the way Lr handles the colours with the Embedded profile. In RawTherapee I can use the Pixel 3 Rear Camera Adobe Standard dcp profile and add some Lab saturation for nice results. Or one could make a custom camera profile and not rely on the one embedded by GCam 7.1.

Link | Posted on Oct 29, 2019 at 10:37 UTC
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ProfHankD: The computational photography evidenced here is really quite impressive. The catch is, the images have definitely crossed the line into being a pleasant rendering instead of a true photograph. Not sure how I feel about that.... I'm pretty sure that it is time to bar cell phone photos from being considered as photographic evidence.

Your comment reminded me of "The Capture" British TV series -- "correction" is upon us :-)

Link | Posted on Oct 28, 2019 at 22:58 UTC
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sankos: I downloaded a couple of jpg/dng pairs and imported them to Lr. You can get better NR and sharpening with the dng file but highlight recovery/reconstruction cannot match the jpeg. It's like with my old Lumia 1020 -- shooting raw doesn't get you the same kind of advantage that you get with regular cameras.

Yes, traditional OOC jpegs lack careful tone-mapping -- they just slap a simplistic S-curve that makes you underexpose your raw files. The Google Camera application (as used by Pixel phones but also as ported to other Android phones with capable hardware) makes the raw workflow I'm accustomed to rather unnecessary in most cases, especially considering the usual intended output of those photos (web, small prints).

And it's not just tone-mapping: it's also difficult to get equally rich colours on the basis of the embedded DNG profile.

Link | Posted on Oct 28, 2019 at 22:42 UTC

I downloaded a couple of jpg/dng pairs and imported them to Lr. You can get better NR and sharpening with the dng file but highlight recovery/reconstruction cannot match the jpeg. It's like with my old Lumia 1020 -- shooting raw doesn't get you the same kind of advantage that you get with regular cameras.

Link | Posted on Oct 28, 2019 at 17:37 UTC as 48th comment | 5 replies
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sankos: If your Android smartphone creates files smaller than 16MP (Pixel 4 main camera is 12MP, and the telephoto is 16MP), the "high quality" setting should mean the photos don't get compressed, right?

Ah, thanks. I always meant to test this but never got to it.

Link | Posted on Oct 22, 2019 at 08:31 UTC
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