Richard Butler

Richard Butler

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On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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Gesture: Good review just add links to fuller reviews of predecessor cameras for those who would like them. I think all the reviews just be streamlined some.

Roland Karlsson - you may expect to, and be willing to, use this camera in line with your preconceptions of how an SLR should be used, but there's no reason that should be true for everyone.

I've seen enough first-time DSLR buyers battle against live view because that's how they expect a camera to work, that a DSLR with near-seamless performance LV/OVF performance is a big deal. And yes, given the T7i works better in live view than through the viewfinder, it does raise questions about the benefits over mirrorless cameras.

Link | Posted on May 5, 2017 at 18:37 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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Sactojim: What?? LOL..this is laughable DPR: "There's little point having a better quality camera if your images remain landlocked on the memory card while everyone around you posts their phone images to social media or sends copies to other family members." Do you reviewers really think this is a salient point where you bash the camera because you found the wifi a bit too difficult? You want difficult, go review Nikon's SnapBridge fiasco. Wifi is not at all a critical factor in choosing a dslr.

I think it's relevant to the intended audience. This camera isn't just competing with other cameras, it's competing with not bothering to buy a camera and using a phone instead.

If people buy a camera and can't easily share their images, it'll very quickly end up collecting dust.

It's not factored into the score to a great degree, but I mention it because it'll be relevant to some prospective buyers.

Link | Posted on May 5, 2017 at 18:31 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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Mr Kobayashi: So Canon doesn't take any hits for topping out in size and weight in the comparison chart, because DPR doesn't compare these things...

I get that, but unless the ergonomics are life-changing, I've never heard somebody say "jeez, I woulda liked this camera if only it was bigger and heavier!"

Perhaps not, but we regularly hear from people who are adamant that it makes no difference to them. Consequently we list the information so that you can factor it in if it's important to you, but don't say 'you should think this is better,' because, like value, it's too subjective a quality.

Link | Posted on May 5, 2017 at 18:26 UTC
On article 2017 Roundup: Interchangeable Lens Cameras $500-900 (546 comments in total)
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deednets: The X-T20 is "outgunned" by some of its peers. Maybe by the gold member Canon Kiss 7? But when you look at how they compare on the "compare-o-meter" on the conclusion page, I fail to see this "outgun" which in my limited book of words is like a walkover by a rather large margin of epic dimension. Like Ferrari versus Mitsubishi Mirage 1984?

We've clarified that sentence, basically to say that it's not the absolute best in every respect.

However, given that we recommend it ahead of the T7i for more experienced users, your snark seems oddly targeted.

Link | Posted on May 5, 2017 at 18:20 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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plantdoc: The lack of MFA is a serious omission. I know it's a Rebel but MFA is more important for accuracy and fixable focusing than some other features. I have owned several Rebel models over the years, but no long would buy one for this reason. The choice is either a much heavier and larger camera, like the 70D I bought or switch to mirrorless. Live view is great, but I don't buy an OVF camera to frequently use a screen. When the M5 or successor drops in price to something more competitive with other moderately advanced mirrorless cameras, that's where I will be heading because I have too much invested in lenses, flashes, etc. Just my .02

It's a real problem with high resolution DSLRs: the resolution is high enough to show focus inaccuracy but the likelihood of a significant number of entry level users calibrating their cameras properly is very low.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 21:04 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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Gesture: Good review just add links to fuller reviews of predecessor cameras for those who would like them. I think all the reviews just be streamlined some.

The body is essentially unchanged but the Dual Pixel AF sensor means the experience is utterly different.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 20:51 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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PENorama: This review is a little bit too much cooked down, in my opinion.
At least the specifications and a few pix from the body would be helpful for comparisons.

I've added the specs to the review (there was a large link on page 1, but it's clear people weren't seeing it).

We may include a 360 of the camera in future: I see your point that this may be a bit light on showing the camera.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 18:43 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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Ebrahim Saadawi: Several key questions to DPR sorry for the invonvenience:.

1- The feature that makes me consider this model is simply being able to shoot steady handheld video takes when using manual/prime glass. While probably an add-on spec added at final production line, it's the most exciting for me!

I suspect the electronic algorithm is NOT going anywhere near mechanical sensor motion but the question is, how far is it? Friends are reporting IBIS like performance but I simply discarded that thought. Does it work in a pinch? And can you put more specific numbers on any crop or IQ loss? (more aliasing? Softness?) Etc.

2- The biggest issue with Canon APS-C DSLRs (short of the 7DII) is the EXTREMELY apparent, dancing colour moire and aliaaing on ANY structure with repeated pattern. You can't shoot a street as the asphalt will shimmer and buildings will dance with colour rainbows! Nikon hasn't had that issue since the D5200 onward and D3300 onwards (of course no camera is immune to aliasing on a chart but I am talking real world shooting here).

-Can you give me an answer to these two questions as my purchase will depend on them. Thanks a lot for the hard work DPR team.

(Hey I like the older, longer, more objective, data-filled review format.)

As I say, most of the footage in the sample video was shot with the camera's digital IS on (Enabled). There's also an enhanced mode that offers more stabilization but the huge crop and significant impact on IQ make it unusable, in my opinion.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 18:10 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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Roland Karlsson: Is this a review?

And ... why a gold award? It is not really all that good at anything. Yeah, I know, it is the feeling of the reviewer - how much he/she likes it. Sure, but why? What is there to like so much?

Seriously DPR?

The review explains that this camera is unusually well suited to its audience. That's why it gets a Gold.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 17:02 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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TyphoonTW: The Rebel series used to differentiate itself from the "upper tier" xxD cameras with lower specs, price and size.

Now that a hybrid like the 77D exists, which has basically the specs of the 80D in a Rebel-sized body and at at price that is not much higher than a Rebel, does the 800D still make sense in Canon's lineup? I mean, the last generation of Rebels (750/760D) was clearly aimed at a different market than the 80D, both for specs, price and size. But I don't really see any major selling point that could make me think:"Oh yeah the 800D is clearly aimed at customers X while the 77D is aimed at Y".

For a relatively small price difference, the 77D seems to just bring a lot more on the table than the 800D, without the extra weight and bulk of an 80D. The extra 150$ seem well worth it for me.

The 77D is essentially an updated an rebranded 760D. It's the same body.

This relationship between 800D and 77D is the same as between the 750D and 760D (actually slightly closer, since 750 and 760 differed in terms of, I think, C-AF in live view, whereas the newer cameras don't).

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 07:18 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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Ebrahim Saadawi: Several key questions to DPR sorry for the invonvenience:.

1- The feature that makes me consider this model is simply being able to shoot steady handheld video takes when using manual/prime glass. While probably an add-on spec added at final production line, it's the most exciting for me!

I suspect the electronic algorithm is NOT going anywhere near mechanical sensor motion but the question is, how far is it? Friends are reporting IBIS like performance but I simply discarded that thought. Does it work in a pinch? And can you put more specific numbers on any crop or IQ loss? (more aliasing? Softness?) Etc.

2- The biggest issue with Canon APS-C DSLRs (short of the 7DII) is the EXTREMELY apparent, dancing colour moire and aliaaing on ANY structure with repeated pattern. You can't shoot a street as the asphalt will shimmer and buildings will dance with colour rainbows! Nikon hasn't had that issue since the D5200 onward and D3300 onwards (of course no camera is immune to aliasing on a chart but I am talking real world shooting here).

-Can you give me an answer to these two questions as my purchase will depend on them. Thanks a lot for the hard work DPR team.

(Hey I like the older, longer, more objective, data-filled review format.)

Did you look at the video stills on page three that shows the IS off and on states?

I think all the video in the clip on page 1 was shot with Digital IS on.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 07:14 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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IdM photography: How can the the T7i's RAW image quality be considered better than the Nikon D5600? (scores). High ISO performance and Dynamic Range fall far behind the Nikon's.... Giving Gold to the T7i and Silver to the D5600 is unfair...

Hmm, I'll look into those scores, that seems odd.

But in terms of the Gold and Silver award, I stand by the decision absolutely. The D5600 is a really solid camera with great image quality. But so are several of its rivals. The T7i is the first DSLR at this level to work just as well in live view as it does through the viewfinder. This and the guide mode that teaches you to live without it make it uniquely well suited to its audience.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2017 at 00:14 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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photomedium: Let Sony innovate and Canon cash in on some quick gold.

Canon may be conservative in many respects, but don't dismiss the innovation required to deliver Dual Pixel AF.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 18:20 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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marc petzold: Dear Canon...thanks for...well....what...a plasticky 77D with inferior OVF?!...it's no rant, but look what Pentax deliver for that price.

100% All Glass Pentaprism OVF, 2 Dials, Weather Sealing "WR", not these heavy CAs at the edges. Named K-70. Also comes with IBIS _and_ PixelShift Feature, and also AA-less Sensor.

I really would have liked the new Kitlens, albeit F3.5 to F4 is very neglible, and from the specs, easier to design, reduced Lens Element count (now only 12) it should have give better IQ, from the CAs i've seen here, i must say i am disappointed. Nikon does this better with their Kitlens. (18-55 AF-P).

Anyway, i'd get the newer 18-55/4-5.6 as light Kitlens for my old 30D/40D, when the prices would come into the current 18-55/3.5-5.6 Range.

I've had hope that Canon would do a 15-55/4-5.6 STM, but we won't see this...sad, but true. Would be a good, cheap STM alternative for the 15-85 USM, albeit with less focal length reach.

I feel DPR is biased - 80% Gold Award?!

No problem, Marc. In such a competitive market, where every camera has its strengths, it's difficult to represent those relative strengths in proportion.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 17:59 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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marc petzold: Dear Canon...thanks for...well....what...a plasticky 77D with inferior OVF?!...it's no rant, but look what Pentax deliver for that price.

100% All Glass Pentaprism OVF, 2 Dials, Weather Sealing "WR", not these heavy CAs at the edges. Named K-70. Also comes with IBIS _and_ PixelShift Feature, and also AA-less Sensor.

I really would have liked the new Kitlens, albeit F3.5 to F4 is very neglible, and from the specs, easier to design, reduced Lens Element count (now only 12) it should have give better IQ, from the CAs i've seen here, i must say i am disappointed. Nikon does this better with their Kitlens. (18-55 AF-P).

Anyway, i'd get the newer 18-55/4-5.6 as light Kitlens for my old 30D/40D, when the prices would come into the current 18-55/3.5-5.6 Range.

I've had hope that Canon would do a 15-55/4-5.6 STM, but we won't see this...sad, but true. Would be a good, cheap STM alternative for the 15-85 USM, albeit with less focal length reach.

I feel DPR is biased - 80% Gold Award?!

Looking back, the Pentax K-70 got 79% and a Silver award (which is also the same score, by a different means, as the D5600), which is to say that all three cameras are very good.

However, I thought this particular Rebel is unusually well suited (more so than the other two models) to its target audience. There are certainly people who will find the K-70 a better camera but for the casual shooter and developing photographer, the combination of a clever guide mode and seamless OVF/Live View performance is rare and valuable.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 17:32 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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citrate: I feel that A6300 should be put into the mix for comparison, not A6000.

BarnET - the a6000 is a current model, according to Sony. The a6000, a6300, a6500 lineup is meant to be very roughly equivalent to D3400/D5600/D7500 or EOS 800D/77D/80D.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 15:16 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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citrate: I feel that A6300 should be put into the mix for comparison, not A6000.

The two companies' lineups don't directly correspond to one another, which always leaves some ambiguity. To my eye, the a6300 is a more expensive camera, less aimed more squarely at a more experienced shooter, so is more EOS 77D than 800D competitor, but it's a fine line to have to draw.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 15:12 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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Elliot H: once again and for the last time:

"Rebel" rebel again WHAT??

silly name for a supposedly serious camera

where's that black tape again

I think most people can ponder the choice of a name without that dominating (or even influencing) their thoughts about the camera or its function.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 15:08 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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mpgxsvcd: Is the review really only 2 pages? Is there no conclusion page for it?

This is an experiment with a different review format that is trying to be more accessible for this camera's audience.

We'll be listening to feedback as well as closely monitoring the performance of the review.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 14:56 UTC
On article Canon EOS Rebel T7i / 800D review (381 comments in total)
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Elliot H: once again and for the last time:

"Rebel" rebel again WHAT??

silly name for a supposedly serious camera

where's that black tape again

It does always make me wonder who they think it's going to appeal to. No self-respecting teenager is going to be impressed and anyone older than that is probably going to feel a little embarrassed.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2017 at 14:55 UTC
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