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On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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Frage: I do not get all the negative comments. The camera is an upgrade in every single aspect compared to the A7 III and its price is very realistic.

Some of the comments are just bizarre. Lots of people saying they hoped for full width 4K60 - What? Where did that come from?

People wanting a stacked-sensor performance for 2K. Very unrealistic.

The camera looks excellent. Latest AF implementation, A7sIII body - strongest video feature set outside of the A7sIII, 33mp, even more customisability. It's a genuine hybrid camera that handily beats the R6 which has multiple video caveats and limitations.

I don't like the removal of the EV markings off the the comp dial but that's about it.

Link | Posted on Oct 22, 2021 at 18:44 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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ISO 1 Million: Looks pretty good overall but why on earth are they still using that god awful low resolution screen?

@Just Another Tog

You have called me a 'snide apologist for Sony', 'a big baby', told me to 'stop crying', and described an reasoned post by me as 'spewing utter nonsense'.

It's pretty obvious you don't know how to speak to people. You are not down the pub or on the terraces.

I don't owe you any kind of reply until you speak courteously and respectfully.

And since you described Gerald Undone elsewhere as 'biased', 'paid by Sony' and 'waffling in a dark room and sending you to sleep' - I'm not sure you have much to exchange here.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 18:36 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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pollup: Readout speeds in all resolutions:
4K UHD (3840 × 2160), full matrix width, 25 fps 24.0 ms
4K UHD (3840 × 2160), APS-C / Super35 mode (1.5x crop), 25 fps 11.7 ms
4K UHD (3840 × 2160), APS-C / Super35 mode (crop 1.5x), 50 fps 11.7 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), 25 fps, the entire width of the matrix 7.9 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), 50 fps, the entire width of the matrix 8.0 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), 100 fps, the entire width of the matrix 5.8 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), APS-C / Super35 mode (1.5x crop), 25 fps 11.7 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), APS-C / Super35 mode (1.5x crop), 50 fps 11.5 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), APS-C / Super35 mode (1.5x crop), 100 fps 5.3 ms

Those numbers are much better than what was reported elsewhere.

@Opera Fan

The Sony doesn't line skip. The 4K is subsampled from 7K - that's the whole 33mp readout.

The 4K/60 is also subsampled from a super 35 crop - no line skipping.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 18:21 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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pollup: Readout speeds in all resolutions:
4K UHD (3840 × 2160), full matrix width, 25 fps 24.0 ms
4K UHD (3840 × 2160), APS-C / Super35 mode (1.5x crop), 25 fps 11.7 ms
4K UHD (3840 × 2160), APS-C / Super35 mode (crop 1.5x), 50 fps 11.7 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), 25 fps, the entire width of the matrix 7.9 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), 50 fps, the entire width of the matrix 8.0 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), 100 fps, the entire width of the matrix 5.8 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), APS-C / Super35 mode (1.5x crop), 25 fps 11.7 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), APS-C / Super35 mode (1.5x crop), 50 fps 11.5 ms
Full HD (1920 × 1080), APS-C / Super35 mode (1.5x crop), 100 fps 5.3 ms

Those numbers are much better than what was reported elsewhere.

That's actually better than the R6, which is 29.3 in full width 24 and 14.9 in 4K/60.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r6-review/8

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 18:19 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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ashbashbeard: I have no real opinion on the camera, but it is hilarious to see the sony hivemind grasp at straws to justify it compared to the competition.

Seriously, say anything barely negative and Rubbydials and other NPCs break out the spec sheets and list the Bigger Numbers lol

@Djehuty

Troll account, been attacking me for years.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 18:08 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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ISO 1 Million: Looks pretty good overall but why on earth are they still using that god awful low resolution screen?

@Just Another Tog

"You're spewing utter nonsense here... Landscape Photographers use the rear LCD all the time, it allows for shooting at low or high angles"

Such a way with words. What did you say in another thread? "Big baby", "Crying", "whining"... We're talking about REVIEWING the photos, not taking them. keep up.

"Nobody is bending down to 12 inches off the ground to 'review them in the EVF. Stop projecting your personal opinions as fact."

This is too funny. Everyone's taking pictures 12 inches off the ground are they? Sounds like you're projecting your personal opinions as fact not me.

Most people - maybe not all πŸ˜„- but most people are able to put their eye up to the viewfinder from time to time, and when they do they can use the EVF - which is an LCD that is usually at least twice as detailed as the rear LCD - sometimes many times more - and is not washed out by the sun.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 17:52 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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brighter_summer_day: Meh. £2400 and only 4k30 with no crop, big crop on 60, rolling shutter, not many fps uncompressed. Also more expensive than the a7R IV body from shops like Panamoz (£2190).

@brighter_summer_day

"Meh. £2400 and only 4k30 with no crop"

You know of course that there's only one camera on the market that has 4K60 from the full sensor width. The A7sIII - and it's 12mp.

4K60 with super 35 crop and no overheating is excellent. Where's the problem?

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 17:29 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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brandagnostickk: Sony seem to be content with lagging behind the competition in too many areas.
I would have expected them to try to catch up to the R6, which is already more than a year old.

The core Sony A7IV problems versus a Canon R6:

- A7IV price 2800 EUR versus R6: 2600 EUR (and expect discounts)
- A7IV rolling shutter 1/15 versus R6: 1/52
- A7IV video 4k60 at crop 1.5 versus R6: 1.05
- A7IV screen sharpness 1m dots versus R6: 1.6m dots
- A7IV lowlight AF -3 EV versus R6: -6 EV
- A7IV IBIS 5.5 EV versus R6: 8 EV
- A7IV FPS for sports/wildlife 5 FPS (raw lossless) or 10 lossy versus R6: 20 FPS
- A7IV focus stacking: not at all versus R6: yes

On the plus side 13 Megapixels. But which buyer in the 2800 EUR class can be fooled into buying something by megapixels alone?
For 200 EUR more you get the Z7II with 45 megapickels.

Just made Panasonic, Nikon and Canon offering so much more attractive.

@brandagnostickk

A few caveats there though:

β€’ In the UK the A7IV and R6 are the same price
β€’ Yes R6 has less rolling shutter
β€’ The R6 overheats in all video modes, especially 4K/60
β€’ Yes, R6 screen is more detailed
β€’ R6 is measured with f1.2 lens and Sony with f2, so the actual difference is .5 EV.
β€’ Canon IBIS is better but '8 stops' only with a handful of lenses.
β€’ R6 RAW has baked in noise reduction up to ISO 1000, Sony lossless raw artifacts are rare and avoidable.

On the plus side for the Sony - more resolution and likely better DR. More direct controls and customisability, dedicated white balance sensor (Canon requires you to take a still image to do a custom balance), smart hotshoe, better video, 7K subsampled, Canon will only shoot 10 bit in C-log for example, more lens choice, bigger system overall.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 17:23 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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ISO 1 Million: Looks pretty good overall but why on earth are they still using that god awful low resolution screen?

@Opera Fan

"Some old people still use the EVF, but almost everyone prefers using an LCD and not holding the camera to their face all the time and looking silly."

Sounds like you've never used a mirrorless camera. You don't review your images on the back screen - you review them in the EVF. Magnified view, much higher resolution and no light pollution.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 16:45 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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armandino: A bit of a lazy update imo after waiting 3 years. Not a R6 killer, although I welcome the 33MP sensor. That does not make it a bad camera but it does not stand out.

@armandino

I would say it 'kills' the R6 stone dead. What do people want?

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 16:31 UTC
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Just Another Tog: I can always count on a Sony camera release to remind me how glad I am I unfollowed all those YouTube 'influencers' long ago.

Camera looks decent though, im sure the people who buy it will be happy.

@Just Another Tog

"I just don't get the point of his channel, sits in a dark room waffling on about tech gear, its a good sleep aide though I guess."

Stick to darts and the odd 'cheeky' acca.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 16:27 UTC
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Just Another Tog: I can always count on a Sony camera release to remind me how glad I am I unfollowed all those YouTube 'influencers' long ago.

Camera looks decent though, im sure the people who buy it will be happy.

@Thoughts R Us

YOU are accusing Gerald Undone of bias. πŸ˜‚

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 16:15 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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TomCodyPleasedToMeetYa: Notable that the shutter button is now inline if not slightly above the top plate. I never understood why Sony had the shutter button positioned well below the top plate as it meant the grip was shortened. One reason I found the Nikon z6 more comfortable was the raised position of the shutter that makes the grip taller.

"Notable that the shutter button is now inline if not slightly above the top plate."

Tom, it's been there since the A7rIV.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 16:11 UTC
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Niko Todd: 5 fps in lossless compressed; 10 fps on a cellphone level of quality, and only with mechanical shutter? Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot?
This is a modern day mirrorless Rebel analog - who's gonna pay 2800 euro for that?
Is this some kind of sick joke?
R6 and Z6II look like a no-brainers now.

@Niko Todd

The R6 has baked-in noise reduction up to ISO 1000 - you're going to see that in every shot.

If you're unlucky you'll see a Sony raw compression artifact in lossy raw, shooting a cityscape at night and raising the exposure by four stops.

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%20R6

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 16:08 UTC
On article Sony a7 IV initial review (1042 comments in total)
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ISO 1 Million: Looks pretty good overall but why on earth are they still using that god awful low resolution screen?

It's a mirrorless camera, you review your images in the EVF.

Having a 2mdot screen for your menus on the back is a waste of battery.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 16:01 UTC
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BackToNature1: Just for the record, Sony made the first leak, not Tony via their own Teaser by putting in all the key metadata tags. Folks accusing Tony of intentional doing the leak on his side are the problem. Most of the Ytubers say things that maybe they shouldn't, so Tony is hardly any different in that regard. I highly doubt he leaked his review early intentionally.

Thanks for your 'Thoughts'.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 12:54 UTC
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pylorus21: How could Sony amass so much know how on optics tech ahead of industry dinosaurs? I mean they always manage to outfox Nikon which increasingly fades away behind big scene.

@IamJF

All good points.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 12:18 UTC
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Djehuty: I wonder if this lens range is pricy because of the materials, tech etc or artificially pricy because its a staple for all sorts of genre.

@Dejuhuty

The lens has a lot of large elements and special glass, as well as four motors and a mag alloy body. It's expensive to produce.

Add in what Karl Marx called 'surplus value' and you have your answer. :)

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 10:06 UTC
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pylorus21: How could Sony amass so much know how on optics tech ahead of industry dinosaurs? I mean they always manage to outfox Nikon which increasingly fades away behind big scene.

@IamJF

"Focus breathing is one of the last troll keywords"

It is indeed. You'll only see focus breathing if you do a focus pull or the lens goes out of focus. The first is an uncommon shot even in film-making and the second is not footage you would use.

If you watch news feeds and documentary movies you'll see breathing anyway, just not in a Hollywood movie.

For run-and-gun videography and hybrid shooting the speed of modern AF systems makes it irrelevant.

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 09:45 UTC
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s-trap: There is a leaked review by Northroups. It's been removed from YT, but there are multiple copies around, e.g.: https://tinyurl.com/zf2bnzfh

Tony Northrup - the guy who claimed to accidentally detach his e-mount lens because the lens release was too close to the grip - despite the fact that you also have to rotate it 35° clockwise at the same time you're pressing the button...

The guy who got the 50/1.2GM from Sony but instead of reviewing it, put it on an A1 and made a video called '5 things I hate about the A1'?

The guy who only got 8FPS on the A1 shooting a passing car at 35mph?

That Tony Northrup?

Link | Posted on Oct 21, 2021 at 02:38 UTC
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