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davev8: Head line should be "Sony still 3ed after 11 years with no market gain...will 2017 be any different".......Is factually correct

@dave8
If you look at the test results of the Sony lenses on Photozone they don't bear any relation to Klaus's conclusions. For example the Sony 16-70/4 recorded the following central resolution figures at f5.6

16mm - 3598
24mm -3581
40mm - 3501
70mm - 3462

These are extremely high and much better than any Canon aps-c zoom or M mount lens. For reference the FF 24-70/4L recorded

24mm - 2516
40mm - 2507
70mm - 2499

on the Canon 50D. The Sony resolution figures are actually in prime territory: the Canon 22/2 scored 3395 on the M3 and the Sigma 30/2.8 which you found good for the price: 3550 on 24mp. According to Klaus's own testing the Sony is sharper than both lenses.

It's fantastically sharp across the whole range, despite which he gives it 1.5 stars and can't stop moaning about it.

Link | Posted on May 30, 2017 at 05:51 UTC
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marshwader: Just hope they keep going.

Who Nikon? Or Canon?

It is a Canikon fantasy that Sony leave the market. Sorry, not gonna happen.

Link | Posted on May 30, 2017 at 05:09 UTC
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Maaggix: Sony is a leader of overheating camera manufacturing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGl9Tl6Sao

I can't believe you're so gullible.

Link | Posted on May 30, 2017 at 04:23 UTC
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Maaggix: Sony is a leader of overheating camera manufacturing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGl9Tl6Sao

Continued.

The camera has been used by very good technical journalists and testers like Rishi and Carey here and Max Yureyev at a number of events, including outside in Santa Barbara and no-one had any trouble. One day on the market and a blogger with no professional transparency pops up and says it overheated after 20 minutes and that the battery was down 40% in 45 minutes?

Carey and Rishi have already commented on the battery life of the camera and how good it is in their Facebook video (worth watching). If they tell me it overheats then I believe it. Not him.

Link | Posted on May 29, 2017 at 23:42 UTC
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Maaggix: Sony is a leader of overheating camera manufacturing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGl9Tl6Sao

@Carl, @ Johnny, @ fatdeeman

Carl, the other guys are very wise to be suspicious of this guy. I would go as far to say that it is almost OBVIOUS to a rational person that he is posting propaganda about this camera. He has earlier videos from 8th May where he discusses the possibility of the camera overheating before he even has it. Although it only forms a small part of his 1.5 hour video he makes sure the word 'overheating' is in the video title.

No one waiting to review the A9 posts three videos about overheating and nothing about the advanced features of the camera. If it did overheat, you might mention it and even make a separate video about it, after you'd confirmed and reproduced it, but where are the videos testing the camera and taking us through the extensive features?

If his bad acting and shaky grasp of the A9 specs wasn't bad enough he holds up the D500 and tells us 'it didn't break a sweat.' How is that relevant? It isn't even a mirrorless camera.

Link | Posted on May 29, 2017 at 23:29 UTC
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Vivid1: So... After all the hoopla and Sony's grandiose claims (of being number 2 now) they are still a mediocre third place - virtually not gaining ANY ground in the last few years.
The fault they are making is that they are viewing cameras as just another electronic consumer item - like a phone, to be changed at will - well they are wrong - all current photographers are invested in a SYSTEM and you just don't change that cheaply - and don't give me the rubbish of third party adapters - it will NEVER be as good as a bare EF or F mount; and what about flashes, remotes etc etc. Unless Sony comes with something that revolutionizes PHOTOGRAPHY (for example the way Canon did with USM lenses and IS) that make photographers want to spend money to change, they will stay a distant third place in future - basically playing to their existing user base. Having one good camera in your 'system' is not going to cut it...

I didn't say Sony's technology was superior - that's your word. I was disputing your claim that Sony regard cameras as 'just another electronic consumer item' by showing how geared towards improving their cameras as photographic tools they are.

You won't agree but the current dominance of Nikon and Canon is down to marketing. Sony will continue to take market share until it reaches a tipping point.

Link | Posted on May 29, 2017 at 22:56 UTC
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davev8: Head line should be "Sony still 3ed after 11 years with no market gain...will 2017 be any different".......Is factually correct

@dave8
Are you serious? In the extra two years that e-mount has been on the market over Canon m-mount sony has produced 35 lenses versus 8. 15 pro lenses versus none, 25 e-mount cameras, 8 or 9 e-mount video cameras and umpteen accessories.

E-mount is supplemented by at least 30 independent lenses including an all AF aps-c only and FF autofocus Zeiss range in Touit and Batis. The only autofocus lenses Zeiss makes outside of its Sony partnership.

What aps-c lens in e-mount are you missing?

Link | Posted on May 29, 2017 at 03:34 UTC
On article Sony a9: more speed, less dynamic range (653 comments in total)
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patrocal: Is this before or after it overheats?

for the doubters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGl9Tl6Sao

@patrocal
Did you actually watch that video or are you just passing on the link?

His acting is terrible. He can't even pretend to be interested in the A9 at the beginning. Where's the footage of the A9 locking up? And do you really think Sony would release a camera that overheated in 20 minutes? The whole thing is laughable, even before he pulls out a Nikon D500 at the end claiming it 'didn't break a sweat'.

He also says the battery was down 40% after 45 minutes. He might as well claim the camera is made out of chocolate and completely melted, it would be more convincing than his fake concern for us at the end.

What I learned from his video is that the A9 has some people very scared.

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 22:53 UTC
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beavertown: Having only 14% market share may be a laughing stock, but the hardest working and most innovative player will get the most market share which we don't know who that player will be yet, but in a few years' time we will see who is laughing for sure.

Nikon and Canon are sitting on the fence (still) because their is no clear path for them to take.

If they compete with Sony directly by introducing a FF mirrorless system they're giving up their high-ground position of DSLR 'superiority' and admitting that mirrorless is the future, something that also calls into question their understanding of the market since they have delayed so long. It's the same reason why they haven't implemented IBIS.

Creating a new FF system means new lenses and mount. M-mount may not be suitable because of pins and EF lens compatibility would be piecemeal going forward and technologically limiting.

Having to start over buying lenses means that your users could migrate to another brand, and no company wants to risk this.

Canon has immense video expertise - a prerequisite for mirrorless but it is still behind Sony in all mirrorless technologies. Nikon would probably need a technology partner or would need to buy in a lot.

Now you see what they've waited.

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 21:20 UTC
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Maaggix: Sony is a leader of overheating camera manufacturing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGl9Tl6Sao

@JohnnyFl

Of course he's lying. Did you watch the whole video? Where he pulls out the Nikon at the end and praises how it kept going and tells us how the A9 press conference was in the shade etc. ?! (The recent 16-35 launch was outside in Santa Barbara incidentally).

His acting is terrible. He can't even pretend to be interested in the A9 at the beginning. Where's the footage of the A9 locking up? And do you really think Sony would release a camera that overheated in 20minutes? The whole thing is laughable.

It does give us an indication of what's coming in terms of competition for the A9 - nothing. Black marketing.

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 17:39 UTC
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Maaggix: Sony is a leader of overheating camera manufacturing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGl9Tl6Sao

Sorry but if you fall for this you really are stupid. The guy became a Nikon shooter a week ago. Here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IVXnRSyC3o

Who do you think sent him that nice shiny D500 and 70-200/2.8 eh?

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 17:18 UTC
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migus: "The company says the move to higher value products allowed Digital Imaging's operating income to maintain essentially flat, despite declining sales."

higher value products = higher margin terminology, e.g., Full-Frame (aka Premium branding)

Works great for a few sub-niche FF markets, yet these are also hotly competed and arguably saturated in the multi-K$ segment. The sub-1K$ FF system (MSRP) is years away, and the APS-C glass was left behind by Sony ca. 3 yrs. ago.

Sony rides on its sensors and specs, relevant to its sub-niches. I love the EF mount, and yet the lack of APS glass investment makes me doubt Sony's future - based entirely on FE "value product" and OEM sensors.

How many times do we have to read that Sony has left the Aps-c market behind? There are 75 native e-mount lenses - 35 from Sony. ALL of them work on Sony Aps-c e-mount cameras.

Between Sony and third parties every focal length is covered. You can even get an autofocus 12mm Zeiss. They also cover every price point and if you buy FE you have an upgrade path to FF that no-one else offers.

Better to complain about the miserable lens selection from Canon in M mount, no option of FF from Fuji and Canon and nothing at all from Nikon.

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 15:35 UTC
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Vivid1: So... After all the hoopla and Sony's grandiose claims (of being number 2 now) they are still a mediocre third place - virtually not gaining ANY ground in the last few years.
The fault they are making is that they are viewing cameras as just another electronic consumer item - like a phone, to be changed at will - well they are wrong - all current photographers are invested in a SYSTEM and you just don't change that cheaply - and don't give me the rubbish of third party adapters - it will NEVER be as good as a bare EF or F mount; and what about flashes, remotes etc etc. Unless Sony comes with something that revolutionizes PHOTOGRAPHY (for example the way Canon did with USM lenses and IS) that make photographers want to spend money to change, they will stay a distant third place in future - basically playing to their existing user base. Having one good camera in your 'system' is not going to cut it...

I would have assumed you wrote this post ten years ago and just took it out of the freezer if it wasn't so half baked. :)

Sony doesn't view cameras as electronic gadgets at all - that's the sort of rubbish brand warriors say about them.

When you mount a lens of the quality of the 85GM onto a 42mp body and get eye-focus, IBIS and first curtain electronic shutter with full time live view through the viewfinder you can see the love of photography that has gone into that. Technology serves the photographer and the photograph perfectly with these products.

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 15:14 UTC
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Negative287: Sony, combining good sensors with poorly though out controls for more than 15 years now!

Sorry! Until Sony can figure out that most photographers don't want all their settings buried, they will never be #1 or #2.

Even Steve Huff (in his recent article) admitted that his Sony is the least fun to use, in spite of it's many features.

@Negative287
I'm actually sympathetic to your comments regarding direct controls. Fuji has a shutter dial - which no-one else has, but if you compare the controls of the XT2 with the A9 that's it. And Sony has offered declickable aperture rings on all its recent prime lenses.

I know you said the A9 is out of your price range, but Sony has tended to pass on physical improvements from camera to camera. The A7II is due to be replaced and is likely to get all the control improvements of the A9 from the second dial cluster to the upgraded rear dial and joystick. It will offer a good FF option with lots of direct control to anyone considering the XT2 I think.

You're not likely to see a shutter dial on a Sony camera any time soon though, so stick with Fuji for that. Not sure how they could fit 1/32,000 on there anyway! :)

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 14:53 UTC
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Negative287: Sony, combining good sensors with poorly though out controls for more than 15 years now!

Sorry! Until Sony can figure out that most photographers don't want all their settings buried, they will never be #1 or #2.

Even Steve Huff (in his recent article) admitted that his Sony is the least fun to use, in spite of it's many features.

@Negative287
Nothing like a bit of selective quoting eh? Here's the full Steve Huff comment from his recent article: 'Why I love my Micro 4/3 System.'

"I have been high on my Sony gear for the last couple of years as it does all I need it to but when I pull out my EM1 MKII or PEN-F after a long rest for them, I remember what I truly love about them. For me, they are much more “fun” to shoot over a Sony or Fuji or whatever camera is creating the hot talk of the month. They just work. The PEN-F offers a high end point and shoot experience if that is what you want, or an all out manual experience. It’s retro vintage vibe is GORGEOUS and it is my #2 fave camera over the last couple of years (Sony A7rII, PEN-F, Leica SL)."

Note 'fun' is in inverted commas and that the A7rII remains his number one camera next to Oly and Leica.

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 14:51 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: There's much to like about the A99II and the A9.

But the A99II still needs better lenses, more of them.

And given that the A9 is supposed to compete with the likes of the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DS Mark II, the A9 body is too small.

A bigger body would allow for better heat dispersion, so the A9 could actually be shot at ISO 50k.

(As it is, the A9 stops being useful at about ISO 30K, mechanical shutter--raw, which is about Nikon Df territory, or Leica SL. It's big colour blotches that are the issue, not conventional noise/grain.)

It's an error on the part of Sony that the A9 can't remain mounted to a tripod head and still allow the battery to be swapped. The D5, 1DX II and the Fuji GFX-50S don't have this basic flaw.

The A9's mechanical shutter frame rate is too low for a "pro" body.

You don't take pictures and you don't have a camera? After all that? I'm speechless.

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 02:11 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: There's much to like about the A99II and the A9.

But the A99II still needs better lenses, more of them.

And given that the A9 is supposed to compete with the likes of the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DS Mark II, the A9 body is too small.

A bigger body would allow for better heat dispersion, so the A9 could actually be shot at ISO 50k.

(As it is, the A9 stops being useful at about ISO 30K, mechanical shutter--raw, which is about Nikon Df territory, or Leica SL. It's big colour blotches that are the issue, not conventional noise/grain.)

It's an error on the part of Sony that the A9 can't remain mounted to a tripod head and still allow the battery to be swapped. The D5, 1DX II and the Fuji GFX-50S don't have this basic flaw.

The A9's mechanical shutter frame rate is too low for a "pro" body.

What camera do you use?

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 00:28 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: There's much to like about the A99II and the A9.

But the A99II still needs better lenses, more of them.

And given that the A9 is supposed to compete with the likes of the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DS Mark II, the A9 body is too small.

A bigger body would allow for better heat dispersion, so the A9 could actually be shot at ISO 50k.

(As it is, the A9 stops being useful at about ISO 30K, mechanical shutter--raw, which is about Nikon Df territory, or Leica SL. It's big colour blotches that are the issue, not conventional noise/grain.)

It's an error on the part of Sony that the A9 can't remain mounted to a tripod head and still allow the battery to be swapped. The D5, 1DX II and the Fuji GFX-50S don't have this basic flaw.

The A9's mechanical shutter frame rate is too low for a "pro" body.

'And the A9 remains not a pro body for reasons of build and button placement.'

ROTFL. The interesting question here is why YOU feel the need to tell everybody that the A9 is not a pro camera. It is presented as such but you must interject and attempt to deny this. This indicates to me that you have some self-esteem issue that is related to this camera and perhaps Sony cameras in general.

There are lots of ways you can tell the A9 is a pro body, not least the price, LAN socket and the spec.

Link | Posted on May 28, 2017 at 00:02 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: There's much to like about the A99II and the A9.

But the A99II still needs better lenses, more of them.

And given that the A9 is supposed to compete with the likes of the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DS Mark II, the A9 body is too small.

A bigger body would allow for better heat dispersion, so the A9 could actually be shot at ISO 50k.

(As it is, the A9 stops being useful at about ISO 30K, mechanical shutter--raw, which is about Nikon Df territory, or Leica SL. It's big colour blotches that are the issue, not conventional noise/grain.)

It's an error on the part of Sony that the A9 can't remain mounted to a tripod head and still allow the battery to be swapped. The D5, 1DX II and the Fuji GFX-50S don't have this basic flaw.

The A9's mechanical shutter frame rate is too low for a "pro" body.

CONTD.

The DR of the A9 is inferior to the the 1DXII according to Rishi below ISO640, but not the D5. Above ISO 640 he found it ISO invariant and more-or-less indistinguishable from the A7rII at its ISO ceiling. There is no free lunch, 20fps with unbroken viewing and silent shooting comes at a cost in terms of higher read noise. The A9 performs better above ISO 640. This is a logical trade for speed. It offers features that neither the 1DXII or D5 does and that is why it is competitive.

I'm not interested in you or your personal mission but I question why you feel the need to constantly hold Sony to some high account whilst not being a Sony user. You tell us you have 'hundred of raws' shot with the A9. How? The camera has only just shipped. You're not a camera reviewer and you certainly haven't bought one. You don't own any Sony cameras or lenses. Why do you have all these raws?

Link | Posted on May 27, 2017 at 23:24 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: There's much to like about the A99II and the A9.

But the A99II still needs better lenses, more of them.

And given that the A9 is supposed to compete with the likes of the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DS Mark II, the A9 body is too small.

A bigger body would allow for better heat dispersion, so the A9 could actually be shot at ISO 50k.

(As it is, the A9 stops being useful at about ISO 30K, mechanical shutter--raw, which is about Nikon Df territory, or Leica SL. It's big colour blotches that are the issue, not conventional noise/grain.)

It's an error on the part of Sony that the A9 can't remain mounted to a tripod head and still allow the battery to be swapped. The D5, 1DX II and the Fuji GFX-50S don't have this basic flaw.

The A9's mechanical shutter frame rate is too low for a "pro" body.

@Howaboutraw
'The A9 is in many ways an excellent camera, it's not a pro body however.'

It's depressing that proper debate is stifled in this section by the most childish criticism constantly heaped upon Sony by people who seem to feel a great insecurity in the face of their products. There is no other explanation. Us Sony users spend zero time in Canon and Nikon threads rubbishing their products. We're not threatened in any way by anything they offer - we're happy for their users. People like you on the other hand...

As Sony users I ask myself why should we face posts like yours ALL THE TIME? The A9 isn't a pro camera because you have decided it isn't? It doesn't work like that. It's a pro camera by dint of it's spec and market position. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. You don't decide.

The 1DxII, D5 and A9 are intended to be shot at higher ISOs. At these ISOs none of these cameras has 14bits of information in their RAWs. Everybody knows this.

CONTD.

Link | Posted on May 27, 2017 at 23:22 UTC
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