Timur Born

Timur Born

Lives in Germany Germany
Joined on Dec 9, 2011

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matthew saville: In my opinion, $9.99/mo is easy money for them, they would be stupid to think that they could completely eliminate that entire revenue stream, and convert enough of the existing subscribers to a higher pay scale in order to maintain, let alone increase, profit margins.

Adobe should know this, they're basically printing money at $9.99/mo, for a non-cloud application that basically hasn't been significantly updated more than just this once in its entire lifespan. They could go for years doing nothing more than updating the app for new cameras / lens profiles, and maybe throwing in one or two minor improvements per year.

I'm not worried about LR CCC getting "shut down" for at least 5 years, if not indefinitely.

And this is my main criticism: When I switched from LR 5 to subscribtion it was a simple calculation of "If major updates come every 1 or 1.5 years then it's a good price". And then no real updates came. Instead Adobe took my money and invested it into building their cloud.

If the whole CC cloud thing was encrypted with a user controlled password and releasing all my private photos to their "intelligence" was optional then it would have been a product I was willing to pay for. Instead I paid for a product that it seriously limited for my use case and got little to no updates on the product I originally chose to pay for.

Link | Posted on Oct 24, 2017 at 18:38 UTC
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Timur Born: Why is it not called Lightroom *Pro* CC instead of Classic?

That never kept any company from naming their more sophisticated versions of a product "Pro".

Link | Posted on Oct 23, 2017 at 22:43 UTC
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Goodmeme: I bought Lightroom 4 for a decent price, was happy. A bit annoyed with the speed...So I upgraded the PC. Works fine even if it doesn't use all ~6 cores. Understand and am okay with having to upgrade lightroom for a new camera if /when I upgrade from 5d classic. But the pricing sucks. I don't need cloud or Photoshop. I don't really NEED Lightroom I just like it....Lightroom should be available on its own as a subscription without cloud and without photoshop at much reduced price in line with its previous -and competitors- retail pricing. I would pay £3-4 per month, no more. I will investigate other options starting with dxo. So long and thanks for all the exposure compensation...

DXO Essential is free at the moment, just grab it.

Link | Posted on Oct 23, 2017 at 22:20 UTC

Why is it not called Lightroom *Pro* CC instead of Classic?

Link | Posted on Oct 23, 2017 at 22:17 UTC as 124th comment | 3 replies

Frankly, I don't buy the "1.0 product" argument. Internally CC uses the same thread calls and likely algorithms that Classic is using. CC = Classic + mobile UI - parts that still lack a mobile UI. On top of that it creates extra CPU and storage load by hashing all source files for cloud usage.

Adobe wants to sell CC users unencrypted cloud storage plans and needs paying customers to teach their Sensei technology in order to make it profitable. Sensei is more of a tech preview than truely useful feature for the time being, additionally it is completely server based and needs full uncontrollable access to your (private) images.

This would be less of a problem if the money of stand-alone users wouldn't have been mostly used to build these new offers, all the while not putting much development time into improving the Classic version and enrypted - aka user controlled - cloud offerings.

Link | Posted on Oct 23, 2017 at 09:33 UTC as 13th comment
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ThePhotoGonzo: Lightroom CC cannot print.....

Umm..... what?! That's like a race car without a track!

-moved-

Link | Posted on Oct 23, 2017 at 09:30 UTC

Import of 16735 files, consisting of JPG, various RAW files and a few hundred iPhone (MOV) files. Face and geo detection disabled.

LR 6 (Add): > 7 min / only 5 min if video cache is pre-built
LR Classic (Add): < 5 min, only 2 min if video cache is pre-build
LR Classic (Copy): > 50 min
LR CC (Copy): > 60 min

CC comes with extra burdens:

- Lightroomcchelper.exe reads all files (likely) completely. I assume that it creates hashes for later online synchronization. This creates extra disk/storage access, CPU load and memory usage. During import this prozess uses more CPU load than the other two prozesses respectively.

- CC always creates local copies, there is no option to add already present files/folders like in 6/Classic.

- CC uses looots of memory. After an hour of import it reserved over 10 gb of private memory out of my 16 gb. This leaves less memory for Windows' file cache to speed up the import process (see below).

Full post: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60271949

Link | Posted on Oct 22, 2017 at 11:16 UTC as 23rd comment

I singed up for the trial of Photoshop and Premiere Elements. Today I got the 8th (!) e-mail from Adobe welcoming me to the trial. At first I got one e-mail per program each day, now there was one day in-between. I'm curious how many more will come until the end of the trial period.

Link | Posted on Oct 13, 2017 at 07:24 UTC as 6th comment
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Timur Born: Elements 2018 does multi-threaded face recognition, whereas my monthly paid Lightroom still only uses a single thread of my 8 core / 16 thread CPU. Time to update Lightroom, Adobe, that's what we pay subscriptions for.

Unfortunately Import only seems to run on a single core. Well, Intel will be happy that Adobe entices (forces) customers to still put money into CPUs with high single-core performance.

I like the catalogue. But I am curious, which software recognizes faces and writes the face and person data directly into RAW files?

Link | Posted on Oct 10, 2017 at 19:07 UTC
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Timur Born: Elements 2018 does multi-threaded face recognition, whereas my monthly paid Lightroom still only uses a single thread of my 8 core / 16 thread CPU. Time to update Lightroom, Adobe, that's what we pay subscriptions for.

Unfortunately Import only seems to run on a single core. Well, Intel will be happy that Adobe entices (forces) customers to still put money into CPUs with high single-core performance.

I am looking around, but unfortunately none of the alternatives gets face recognition right. The best alternative remains to be Picasa, which is software that is not supported anymore (but still works).

Link | Posted on Oct 9, 2017 at 21:17 UTC

I compared Photoshop Elements, Lightroom, Picasa, Corel Paint Shop Pro, Magic Photo Manager or Photobounce for face recognition. None of these makes full use of multiple CPU cores, some do better some do worse.

Photobounce seriously messed face tags in my files, so I had to clean up again and quickly removed the software.

Lightroom and Picasa lead the pack for ease of use and both are able to read the face tags of the other. Picasa works a lot faster once faces are scanned, because Lightroom's UI tends to freeze for seconds when you change face data for even a single file out of thousands.

Photoshop Elements is a sore disappointment in that it is not able to read already present face tags from image files that previously were managed by Lightroom/Picasa. It does import tag text, but neither imports already present faces nor does it even import names into its own "Contact Book". As a result you have to start from scratch!

Link | Posted on Oct 9, 2017 at 13:19 UTC as 8th comment
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Timur Born: Elements 2018 does multi-threaded face recognition, whereas my monthly paid Lightroom still only uses a single thread of my 8 core / 16 thread CPU. Time to update Lightroom, Adobe, that's what we pay subscriptions for.

Unfortunately Import only seems to run on a single core. Well, Intel will be happy that Adobe entices (forces) customers to still put money into CPUs with high single-core performance.

Turns out that Elements only uses 1-2 threads for face recognition. So no real advancement from Lightroom. Too bad.

Link | Posted on Oct 9, 2017 at 13:07 UTC
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Timur Born: Elements 2018 does multi-threaded face recognition, whereas my monthly paid Lightroom still only uses a single thread of my 8 core / 16 thread CPU. Time to update Lightroom, Adobe, that's what we pay subscriptions for.

Unfortunately Import only seems to run on a single core. Well, Intel will be happy that Adobe entices (forces) customers to still put money into CPUs with high single-core performance.

20 gb commit and 6 gb private memory during Auto Curate, kept increasing. No indication how long it's going to take or how far it is into the process. You really only even know that it's busy, because clicking a second time on Auto Curate (not marked yet) pops up a windows that tells you so.

Auto Curate on single small folders works quite instantly, though.

Link | Posted on Oct 7, 2017 at 13:30 UTC
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Timur Born: Elements 2018 does multi-threaded face recognition, whereas my monthly paid Lightroom still only uses a single thread of my 8 core / 16 thread CPU. Time to update Lightroom, Adobe, that's what we pay subscriptions for.

Unfortunately Import only seems to run on a single core. Well, Intel will be happy that Adobe entices (forces) customers to still put money into CPUs with high single-core performance.

I am just trying the Auto Curate function on my whole library. It only uses 2 CPU cores and thus takes its time.

Meanwhile I am testing various other photo management applications with face recognition, but most of those I tested yet only make use of a single CPU core during image analysis, too.

Photo Bounce seems to use up to four cores for face recognition, though.

Link | Posted on Oct 7, 2017 at 12:25 UTC

Elements 2018 does multi-threaded face recognition, whereas my monthly paid Lightroom still only uses a single thread of my 8 core / 16 thread CPU. Time to update Lightroom, Adobe, that's what we pay subscriptions for.

Unfortunately Import only seems to run on a single core. Well, Intel will be happy that Adobe entices (forces) customers to still put money into CPUs with high single-core performance.

Link | Posted on Oct 7, 2017 at 00:45 UTC as 16th comment | 9 replies

Can HEIC be decoded by parallel threads to make good use of modern multi-core CPUs?

This is one big disadvantage of JPG that becomes more and more prevalent (even more so in combination with the rather serial PDF format).

Link | Posted on Sep 19, 2017 at 07:19 UTC as 21st comment | 1 reply
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Timur Born: So this is what Adobe's coders are busy with. Fine. So it will take some more time until Lightroom learns better multi-threading to make full use of modern hardware. Good to know.

Well, we do know that Lightroom is taking its time (for some time already) to arrive in a world of modern multi-core hardware. You can buy that monster 18-core Skylake-X CPU for the price of a small car and it will do very little to nothing for you in Lightroom.

Still have a hard time getting over the fact that face recognition is a single-threaded plugin in Lightroom. Years later we still are waiting for improvements on the multi-core front while the mobile and now cloud Lightroom apps are developed by coders that could improve the desktop app instead.

Digital stone-ages on far too many fronts.

Link | Posted on Jul 29, 2017 at 23:49 UTC
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Timur Born: So this is what Adobe's coders are busy with. Fine. So it will take some more time until Lightroom learns better multi-threading to make full use of modern hardware. Good to know.

My judgement is mostly based on the fact that Lightroom has not seen a major update for some time and even the last major version did not bring multi-threading up to modern standard when it was overdue.

I understand that this is a big step. I also understand that you need man-power to get it done in a timely manner. Since the "timely manner" is not given I assume that man-power is spread to thin on other projects.

If this is not true then Adobe intentionally keeps us hanging for quite some time now. Believe me when I state that the latter would be even less welcome than the former assumption. :P

Link | Posted on Jul 29, 2017 at 18:18 UTC

So this is what Adobe's coders are busy with. Fine. So it will take some more time until Lightroom learns better multi-threading to make full use of modern hardware. Good to know.

Link | Posted on Jul 29, 2017 at 11:00 UTC as 4th comment | 4 replies
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capeminiol: 2015? Only 2 years late!

There has been some feature additions, but mostly these are camera + lens updates.

We are still waiting for a major overhaul that gets Lightroom ready for modern hardware. Hardware which was already widely available in 2015 and earlier.

Link | Posted on Jul 20, 2017 at 13:18 UTC
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