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On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (254 comments in total)
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lacikuss: Because the lack of native lenses this camera is targeted to existing canon users via adapted lenses. I cant imagine anybody investing in this as a system.

If you're thinking about a portable high quality camera system Canon still has a long way to go.

keep believing that one. lol.

Link | Posted on Sep 24, 2016 at 20:21 UTC
On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (254 comments in total)
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lacikuss: Because the lack of native lenses this camera is targeted to existing canon users via adapted lenses. I cant imagine anybody investing in this as a system.

If you're thinking about a portable high quality camera system Canon still has a long way to go.

fixed aperture zooms are bigger, heavier and more expensive. the world doesn't revolve around them either.

Link | Posted on Sep 24, 2016 at 19:42 UTC
On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (254 comments in total)
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lacikuss: Because the lack of native lenses this camera is targeted to existing canon users via adapted lenses. I cant imagine anybody investing in this as a system.

If you're thinking about a portable high quality camera system Canon still has a long way to go.

only if you think that the camera world revolves around primes.

Link | Posted on Sep 24, 2016 at 15:41 UTC
On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (254 comments in total)
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UrrutiaPhoto: I'm not sure I understand why they don't just use the existing DSLR Mount for a mirror-less system. With the multitude of lens canon has for the EOS mount in the market, I think most people would overlook a slightly deeper mirrorless camera. (maybe I have this wrong)

"Fuji's lenses are what Canon M users want"

God no.

I love the fact that the lenses are small, lightweight and cheap.

To be honest, I hate lens changes with mirrorless because it's far more environmentally conditional than a DSLR because of the exposed sensor.

and besides .. most conventional zooms end at 5.6 .. this are a whole .. what .. 1/3 EV slower? i'll take that .. I can make that up in post.

consider the size (and price) of the E mount 10-18, and Fuji 10-24 versus the 11-22. No contest. I'll take that compromises every single day.

even the 18-150mm .. would I rather that, then the hulking beast of the Fuji 18-135mm?

a handful of primes to fumble around with? no thank you.

that's more a fuji thing with camera bodies that are born from the 70's without the wall to wall shag carpeting.

Link | Posted on Sep 24, 2016 at 15:13 UTC
On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (254 comments in total)
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Hibiscusbloom: It may be a fraction of the size and weight of the 80D but certainly NOT a fraction of the price, unfortunately.

#researchishard

Link | Posted on Sep 24, 2016 at 01:40 UTC
On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (254 comments in total)
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Kaso: "it's a camera we can't help but like . . . Canon clearly knows how to make a camera that is both comfortable to hold and pleasing to use"

Indeed. And Canon releases many awesome products in 2016. (I will get an M5 to complement my 80D and 5D Mark IV.)

@photomedium
the new "L" series printers actually look kind of nice... ;)

Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2016 at 21:28 UTC
On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (254 comments in total)
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photomedium: What's with the digic6, digic7 ?
How come the 5D4 got a 6 and this one a 7?

@carey .. i have a feeling it has to do with development timelines.. powershots are developed and punted out the door sooner (the M5, like the M3 .. is a powershot, not an DSC) and the DSLR"s take more time to get through the processes.

this is my own pet theory, but it does seem to make sense.. every new digic has been out at least a year before it shows up in the DSC's.

Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2016 at 21:27 UTC
On article Photokina 2016: Canon EOS M5 quick look video (254 comments in total)
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Dave Oddie: It is a camera DPR can't help but like?

It was a big disappointment last week:

https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/4495586328/the-canon-eos-m5-is-a-great-mirrorless-camera-and-a-big-disappointment

none of it shot in 4k? Carey .. you heathen!

Link | Posted on Sep 23, 2016 at 21:25 UTC
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rrccad: except that D810 will most likely focus better with tracking, faster, shoot in a large scope of environments, and requirements .. have an ecosystem that will be unmatched by any MF company in terms of size, price and weight of the lenses,etc,etc.

not sure what the point of comparing the size of the camera really is.. show a 24-70 2.8 mounted on the D810 and Fuji and get back to me.

btw, it's not 1.7x bigger than full frame by any conventional measure.

not frightened at all .. lol parallax eh?

actually the fuji wouldn't be ultimate IQ .. a .80 crop of a a full frame body is easily made up.

ultimate IQ is in larger formats from this.

and it's more portable by the time you add lenses which was the point of the comment. hard to grasp .. ok.

you get a bigger kit that is 3x or more expensive, for very little gain.

compare that 63mm 2.8 against it's equivalent 50mm 1.8 in terms of size, cost and weight.

Link | Posted on Sep 21, 2016 at 16:45 UTC
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Al Valentino: In the future people that can afford two systems might go for m4/3 and MF as they compliment each other perfectly. Mirrorless MF reduces the bulk to make it more viable, but still a system for those with deep pockets .

the lenses are still huge.

why do people just look at the camera body .. when it comes to size .. good god.

Link | Posted on Sep 21, 2016 at 16:15 UTC

except that D810 will most likely focus better with tracking, faster, shoot in a large scope of environments, and requirements .. have an ecosystem that will be unmatched by any MF company in terms of size, price and weight of the lenses,etc,etc.

not sure what the point of comparing the size of the camera really is.. show a 24-70 2.8 mounted on the D810 and Fuji and get back to me.

btw, it's not 1.7x bigger than full frame by any conventional measure.

Link | Posted on Sep 21, 2016 at 16:13 UTC as 30th comment | 14 replies

Sigh. people are stupid.

*or* .. the IQ sum of the world is constant, and the population continues to grow rapidly.

Link | Posted on Sep 20, 2016 at 23:54 UTC as 65th comment
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STR54: Well folks, here we have another $3k plus camera anouncement. IMO if Sony along with the majority of other manufacturers (are you listening Canon) expect its customers to continue to plop down the big bucks, then they need to really step up their game concerning their 'limited warranties'. To promote 150 to 300K shutter reliability, weather resistance/sealing and tough body construction with a 1 year factory warranty? Give me a break! Make it TWO YEARS standard.
Just sayin.

well, if you buy the A99II in the USA .. having a credible warranty at all is kind of a gamble.

Link | Posted on Sep 20, 2016 at 15:24 UTC

I think this is a cool camera.

I'm wondering if it may have been a better idea for this to be E mount, and include in by default a new LEA4 Mark II adapter that handled the A mount lenses with aplomb, and allowed the A mount users to transition to the FE mount.

looking at the A mount, it's on life support, very little in the way of new lenses are being developed for it - the main line of core full frame lenses simply haven't been optically updated in a while, and all the sweet new lens tech that sony is developing is happening in the E mount with the GM series lenses. I'm going to get some blow back with that. But let's be serious - the SSM II updates were not optically better for most of the lenses. what's really been done on the A mount ecosystem in 4 or so years?

I think this as it is is great for the existing A mount user base, but you have to wonder if Sony couldn't have hit it completely out of the park with some serious shock and awe by making it E mount and the same size.

Link | Posted on Sep 20, 2016 at 14:31 UTC as 18th comment
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69camaroSS: Funny how Canon can ignore a camera system for 4 years and nobody accuses them of abandoning the system, but Sony has to release a new camera every year or it gets accused of jumping ship.

@hippo .. not all of those were full frame, not to mention most of them were cosmetic makeovers with the same optical formulaes. for example DxO shows no improvement in the Sony 24-70 SSM and SSM II. the only one that may be a new lens that is full frame was the 16-35.. since the Zeiss 50/1.4.

The main core lenses, are out of date. not to mention the entire lack of f/4 lenses and the overpriced and schooled super tele's aka the 300 and 500.
Compare the 24-70 SSM II to the new canon 24-70 and honestly tell me it's even close, and it's even more expensive or the 70-200 SSM versus the 70-200 2.8L II.

what confidence does anyone have that sony will update these lenses to be more competitive?

funny how canon gets taken to task about camera bodies, and sony gets a pass on lenses.

and to the original point how did canon ignore the camera system.. did canon not create any EF mount cameras or lenses for four years? or are you so naive to think a camera system is just one camera line?

Link | Posted on Sep 20, 2016 at 14:17 UTC
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livelong: Whoa!!!!!!! Is this, finally, a 5DIV killer?

yes, let's leave nikon and canon for a mount system that has had how many new lenses in the last 5 years .. really new lenses, not cosmetic makeovers for AF/ weathersealing.. not to mention .. for precision camera level of amazing support. lol.

I think it's great for those that have A77's or looking to upgrade from the A900 and A99 .. and it's an AMAZING and fantastic looking camera. it's curious why they didn't make it FE mount, and include in a new LE-Axx adapter in with the box and make it essentially hybrid. you'd think that simply would have been the absolute cat's meow.

also would allow those with A mount collections to fully use them, and allow them to upgrade to the new and much better GM series lenses.

Link | Posted on Sep 20, 2016 at 14:13 UTC
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Timbukto: "The newly-developed high-speed TruePic VIII Image Processor and a new 20.4 megapixel live MOS sensor will work in concert with the camera’s electronic shutter to provide full resolution images at a maximum 60 frames per second in AF and AE lock, and up to 18 frames per second with continuous AF and AE tracking."

So does that mean 18FPS requires pure electronic shutter mode which means all the caveats of rolling read-out electronic shutters?

Even still.

60fps would be great for computational photography, 15 not so much.

actually 60 may be too fast - you'd in theory have to shut off IBIS because you need the movement for sub pixel alignment, and potentially alot of coffee in your blood stream :P

it will be curious to what people come up with, it certainly opens doors that simply were not there in the past..

this thing can shoot so fast, you don't need the 80MP mode that Olympus offers, you can do sub pixel / drizzle computational work with far better results from a 60 fps burst.. in theory easily go up to 4x4 resolution because you'd have so many raw files .. so that would be in order of 300MP, you'd want to downsize from that just for clarity .. but still should be able to get 100 to 150MP files out of this.

also bursting so many reduces noise, and thus increases DR (to how dpreview calls DR anyways)

Link | Posted on Sep 20, 2016 at 13:32 UTC
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rrccad: Well it's hard to get excited over such a vague announcement.

the devil is in the details, not a nice glossy brochure. what's the EVF dots, the LCD? fps, sync speed,etc... especially with it not using leaf shutter, is it limited to a rudimentary sync speed? 14 bit? 16 bit?

these lenses, are going to cost, like all MF (and certainly Fuji has never been considered on the cheap end of lenses), so we're probably talking a system cost of 20,000 for the UWA, zoom and a prime or so + camera. that may even be on the low end.

what's the long term growth really of this sensor size? will sony even develop more? is it worth it to them? all the other main MF systems use bigger sensors.

and ISO and shutter speed dials *sigh*

when compared against something like the A99II (I cant believe i said that) .. it's hard to see the place for a .79 crop factor and a fairly minimal image DR/noise ratio gain, certainly not like you get from APS-C to FF. Even sony A mount lenses are cheaper.

except most pros in MF are in trade up programs, etc and already have an investment in lenses and bodies and simply replace the backs. not to mention they are closer to what the benefits of real MF is about, versus this.

but that really had nothing to do with my points.

it's still a heavy buy in for such a small improvement over full frame.

Link | Posted on Sep 20, 2016 at 12:00 UTC
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rrccad: Well it's hard to get excited over such a vague announcement.

the devil is in the details, not a nice glossy brochure. what's the EVF dots, the LCD? fps, sync speed,etc... especially with it not using leaf shutter, is it limited to a rudimentary sync speed? 14 bit? 16 bit?

these lenses, are going to cost, like all MF (and certainly Fuji has never been considered on the cheap end of lenses), so we're probably talking a system cost of 20,000 for the UWA, zoom and a prime or so + camera. that may even be on the low end.

what's the long term growth really of this sensor size? will sony even develop more? is it worth it to them? all the other main MF systems use bigger sensors.

and ISO and shutter speed dials *sigh*

when compared against something like the A99II (I cant believe i said that) .. it's hard to see the place for a .79 crop factor and a fairly minimal image DR/noise ratio gain, certainly not like you get from APS-C to FF. Even sony A mount lenses are cheaper.

External radio triggers wont' change the base sync speed. that's set by the shutter.

I had no speculation really outside of cost. which going by Pentax 645Z and the fact it's Fuji.. it's pretty reasonable.

who said brandism.. hell I complemented Sony.. get a grip.

Link | Posted on Sep 20, 2016 at 01:47 UTC
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munro harrap: I dont like it. I dont like having to start with the same pixel count as the Canon already has for a third of the price at all. I dont like being expected to afford a new set of lenses in a new format in a new bayonet, rather than an existing one-say Hasselblad, for example.... I do not like what Fuji have been doing at all. After all, just as Nikon took ages to arrive at decent resolution, trailing Canon for 5 years or so, Fuji started their mount and their Xxxx series at 12 MP, as had Nikon with the D3. They have just reached 24MP, years after Nikon and Sony. So buy the first body at your peril and then weep three years on when they manage the 80MP that Hasselblad have already left behind. Along with the existence of micro 4/3rds manufacturers, such folk embarass photography.

it's not a medium format 50mp. it's essentially .79 crop from full frame which means you'll get a small benefit but far less of a benefit then you see from aps-c to full frame.

Link | Posted on Sep 19, 2016 at 22:18 UTC
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